Thread:Undoniel/@comment-25684581-20150115200409/@comment-3406131-20150116142108

JimmyMoriarty wrote: I'm sorry I don't really understand what Good and Evil is, never met or heard of a 100% good person or 100% bad person. I don't really understand the parameters of this wiki regarding existential matters. I will leave it up to admin to decide. I agree with you. If it was for me, the alignment field would be wiped out. It's more a pain in the ass and a Manichean way of seeing the world than a real informative field, and it would be better to have the history part filled correctly, maybe have a personality field included in the character template. I won't try to explain the conditions as there is a lack of conventions.

Antvasima wrote: What about Doctor Octopus then? During most of his career he was bad, and I read that he even tried to exterminate all life on the planet once. Then he spent some time being an arrogant ruthless jerk who tried to do good, which landed him on neutral I suppose, given his background, and then finally he gave back Peter's life to him at the cost of his own, although arguably that was a neutral act, as it was not his life to start with. He had unrightfully stolen it. Doc Oc was more of a neutral I think in the end. He went from a criminal to a ruthless vigilante as is the Punisher. But even if he was a bad man, his mind was altered at some times by Peter's mind, making him better in essence.

Antvasima wrote:I also agree that certain crimes are too large to ever be redeemed or forgiven, although "trying to wipe out all of humanity" is the only one of these that I remember Octavius doing. Comparing to A-List villains like Octavius with disturbed henchmen like Ant-Man and Hand isn't really relevant. There is already discussions about Superior Spider-Man's alignment I think. And I will not have this discussion again: In real life, and even more in comics, people can change and even if they did some bad things, it's not the only thing that count: The redemption, the life after, the way to handle with it, that count also (or even more). And also, to be accurate, redeeming isn't equivalent to facing justice.