Board Thread:Administrative/@comment-16461120-20170221234010/@comment-10473115-20170402093041

We started the discussion and voting for the proposition: Invoked, which is to be used for instances when the subject's name is only exclaimed by a character in the story in a manner where their authority is called upon either via incantation, prayer, or curse would be considered a minor mention and be categorized as such, separate from the existing category. Only change to that in this "new voting" is a hidden category. I presume that new votes which have been given after the introduction of this addition are affected by this change so maybe it's relevant to some. Therefore, I can accept that we give editors time to change their votes if they want to. But we can't require everybody to renew their vote, if enough is changed to the proposition, a new discussion should be started instead. It's also a bad precedence for category deletion discussions. We should first decide on a category and then if it's hidden or not separately. It's also bad habit to call some proposition as a compromise especially when nothing's really changed as that alone could affect the voters.

I guess it could be helpful to give a review of this discussion. Our main antagonists or protagonists with their opinions are:

AnnabellRice:"I'm undecided on a new tier of categorization, but feel a mention is a mention is a mention and don't agree on arbitrary limitations of what qualifies as noteworthy when something's quite clearly being referenced."

Undoniel:"I don't really care if each invocation of God, Hell, Randac or Odin are listed among a new category ... I'm just opposed to having them among the mentions ...the invocations I am referring to are something clear: A character say something as a prayer, or something that could easily be replaced by a swear word. In other words, it has nothing to bring to editors, nothing to bring to readers ... When I've tried to remove such useless mentions, my edits were reversed"

MrKermit:"I strongly oppose new category. We shouldn't create a category for useless invocations but get rid of them instead."

We started a discussion trying to find a compromise and were able to add "When considering what appearances should be listed and categorized we have to think its usefulness to the reader or research purposes. We should not list exclamations like "Oh, my God", "For Odin's beard" or "Go to Hell" as a mentions." to the layout guide. We couldn't advance any further because Undoniel wanted to remove also invocations about Randac but Annabell opposed that. Annabell proposed to list invocations without categorizing which I initially opposed but later accepted as the compromise to get this discussion resolved for now. I also suggested that one way to go forward would be start a new discussion and vote about invocations of Randac. That's the story so far which really makes me cringe when we are still creating the new category now as a "compromise".