Thread:WarBlade/@comment-3406131-20141122155534/@comment-3406131-20141125122835

WarBlade wrote: Quite simply, a citizen of of the Skrull Empire is a "Skrull imperial". But was that ever said in comics or handbooks ? "Skrull Empire Subjects" would be closer. Imperials implies to me something more formal. While the wiktionary of English isn't specific about it, the French page states that the word is used for the specific designation of soldiers of an Empire, and that's kind of what I understand using the word imperial: It appears to me as soldiers, representatives, delegates of the power, not common citizens.

WarBlade wrote: I'm having trouble working out what you're saying here. Perhaps if you could rephrase it. My bad. I was saying that the category page "Kingdom of Trolls" could become a page listing locations, items, etc. related to that Kingdom of Trolls, and consequently couldn't be a citizenship category page. The problem currently exist for Category:Skrull Empire (well, Dorrek VII has simply been forgotten, but it gives us an example).

WarBlade wrote: I don't recommend using the Coconut Grove as a case example for anything. That one is an aberration that doesn't fit commonly used standards.

As for mixing citizenship with race, no, that should never happen. Racially, Barak Obama could be described as African, and yet his citizenship is clearly not. Hepsibah is a mephitisoid which makes her a Shi-ar Imperial, yet not the Shi-ar race. Races and citizenships are often linked, but they're not the same thing.

Trolls are a race rather than a citizenship. Obama or Hepsibah examples are fine for what they are: Individuals in multi-cultural, multi-ethnic or multi-racial societies.

The Coconut Grove or the Rock Trolls are what they are as far as we know: Monospecific societies: All of their individuals of the species are included in their society, and all individuals of their society is from that species. Consequently, it would serve nothing to create doublon categories pages: The Category:Coconut Grove is a species category and a citizenship category at the same time, as far as know. They're not the same, they just happen to be linked, like many species/citizenships in Marvel. This is a matter of simplicity, who would move if a non-Coconut Grove individual was part of the Coconut Grove, or if a Coconut Grove was exclusively part of non-Coconut Grove "nation".

If the Rock Trolls are all part of the Kingdom of the Rock Trolls, and are the sole members of it, so they're Rock Trolls, with no ambiguity. (The sole Rock Troll who isn't is Roughouse, but he is a descendant and not a full blooded, so he isn't listed among the Rock Trolls but among their hybrids, who could be Rock Trolls Kingdom "subjects" or not.

WarBlade wrote: Yeah, I left a general message back when this was being worked out, but neither of them responded. They just left it hanging.

I'm a bit like Nathan in this - spent a lot of time with Wikitext markup, but Lua is new to me. So basically yeah. If Troophel or DaNASCAT can finish what was started, I could conceivably step in and help work out the kinks, but for the moment I'm treading territory that I don't have a clear enough understanding of to pave the way. Metaphorically, I need someone to set up a path so I can build it into a road. ;) I'm in the same position, but with even less skills.

I just recalled (from the Erik Magnus (Earth-58163) page) that the House of M citizenship (yes, that exist) is treated as "House of M citizenship" but appears as "House of M" on the infobox. That could be a (temporary or not) way for the Skrulls, Rock Trolls... But it isn't very "elegant".