Board Thread:Movies/@comment-3156395-20130412022554/@comment-3317214-20130521133959

No, not when one of those numbers is only 5% of the world population. You're wrong. 50% is just as significant an amount towards the gross as 50%. No matter where they come from.

I rest my case. Don't get ahead of yourself. That's just one part of the point. The other part is that countries don't care how much other countries' films make in those other countries. But you seem to be suggesting that they do.

You've refuted the American standard as the worldwide standard by saying "America isn't the world". No, I refuted the American standard as the worldwide standard, by saying that it isn't used anywhere except for America. "America isn't the world" was driving the point home.

So I guess that means there is no worldwide standard. And if there is one, it would be the majority or plurality of the film industry. That's the United States. And the penny drops. However, I would argue that if there is a worldwide standard, it is that countries care how much films make in their own country, and how much films make as a whole. It doesn't mean that America's gross becomes the default for other random countries that have nothing to do with watching films in America.

We are talking as producers since they're the people that care about these numbers. What 95% of the public think doesn't matter since they don't have a stake in it. And if you're not looking at it from that standpoint, you're in the wrong discussion. No, the stake people have is watching the movies. But producers aren't the only people that show interest in grosses.

It's how their tables work, and they do tell you that if you just care enough to seek out the information. If that's how their tables work, then that means that their tables don't work. Furthermore, it means that the data they provide is incorrect.

That's a lie, you've said several times that Box Office Mojo and myself are not counting international grosses. Nope. Prove it.

And you assumed wrong. I'm okay with being wrong on this one, but again, you don't have proof.

You've said "America is not the world" to refute the American standard as the global one. And who are you to say that no other country cares about the American statistic? When you're using a statistic to base a comparison off of, you need one with limited variables, and the American gross is historically the best one for that, especially with superhero films. If we were talking a Miyazaki film, which does most of its business in Japan, we would be using the Japanese numbers. But definitely not an international one. Like I said, I refuted the statement by giving the logical response along the lines of "something should be used in at least more than one country for it to be a worldwide standard", and used "America is not the world" to drive home the point.

Who am I to say that? Maybe I should be asking you the same thing. You said it too.

Limited variables is nice, but it's also important that a statistic is relevant. Which is why only America uses American domestic statistics. When non-USA countries require a statistic with less variables than the international one, they would look to their own domestic statistic. Not America's.

Which is why the international statistic was provided when talking about Punisher: War Zone's complete gross, and a domestic one when trying to draw a comparison (and even then, I still provided the international one to make a point). And I acknowledge that. What's your point?

I haven't made assumptions, just observations based on your comments or statements of fact based on how the industry works. You're trying to re-write what you've said. That's a lie. I would begin to list them, but I've pointed out enough already, just from you assuming assumptions. I'm not re-writing what I've said at all.