Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-61022-20150909141417/@comment-4651179-20151008202759

Nausiated wrote: Honestly, I don't know what everyone's problem with waiting is. If you really need to write about it so bad, save your work in a word document and as soon as the ban is lifted you can copy and paste.

In my case, is that when I add information to the wiki, I don't do it for myself. The purpose of the wiki is to bring information to people that can't get their hands in the source of it (the comics). So I would like the wiki to properly provide to its readers the information they want, which is in many cases the most recent information.

That's why my vision when editing and what I encourage other users to do is to edit the page so it's in a way they would like to find it if they were a casual fan or someone who can't read comics that wants to see information of a certain character.

Frankly, I do not see ADour's view or concerns about us being "out of date", if people want to write about what's happening so bad, nobody is stopping you from doing it now, the only thing you're not allowed to do is add it to the Wikia yet.

There's no purpose of writing it down if it's to be kept for yourself. Like I mentioned, my policy in the wikia is to write information for other people, not for yourself.

And yes, I understand that a lot of the title characters are going to be Earth-616 versions of the characters. But, when we don't take an all-or-nothing approach, it always turns into a cluster!@#$ because people don't listen when we make exceptions.

And why is it expected this to become a cluster!@#$? This is just updating the pages like it's needed to be done. This isn't like Secret Wars, with a confusing endless number of versions of characters that might or might not be the same. This is the after Secret Wars. The Marvel Universe is back as if (almost) nothing had happened.

And like I mentioned, there's even less problems because I'm proposing updating the characters profiles for those characters that had nothing (or little) to do with Secret Wars. We wouldn't update the pages of charactes like Doctor Doom, Doctor Strange, or Mr. Fantastic.

And because those characters whose pages we should be able to edit had nothing (or little) to do with Secret Wars, this is just characters continuing their lives after the end and return of the universe. In a similar fashion, we don't explain in every character page that at some point in time they lived another life in an alternate universe created by the Scarlet Witch.

So again, if none of you want to add the innumerable amount of missing data (Which I think is much more important to add than what's new and current) and you just HAVE to write about what's happening now, save it in a word document and paste it in later.

Like I mentioned above in this comment, the impulse to update pages might be personal, but the goal is not. When I update pages I don't do it to pat myself in the back because I can translate what I read in a comic to a wiki page. This is for the other people. For somebody who would go to Iron Man (Anthony "Tony" Stark) because they want to know what's up with Invincible Iron Man and I don't want them to be like "Wait, here it says he's still dead. Huh?"

And I have experienced this. People being confused or a bit upset because they can't know what's up with certain characters because their pages aren't updated. Or maybe they do know what's going on but they want a better insight.

Something similar happened to me a while ago. I went to the DC wiki and left dissatisfied because I went to Superman's page to know what's up with him having his identity exposed and being powerless or whatever and the page wasn't updated with that information.

And I don't want people to feel the same way when I have the power to prevent it.

As for ADour's insistence that we're getting behind. How are we getting behind compared to what? Other resources? Marvel's official Wikia is a ruddy joke. It's never updated. Ever.

Comic Vine is literally garbage. No references, no focus, no center of expertise, and so many holes in its data.

Wikipedia, again, it's not their central focus so things over there are out of date as well.

In fact: If any of that information is being updated on other sites, five gets you ten it's people who also regularly contribute here who can't wait for things to be clearly defined.

We're an encyclopedia guys. We're not out there to compete with other sites. We're here to state the facts as accurately as possible. Right now we can't do that without the potential for things to become a large mess. So please, for the love of god, have some patience.

We're getting behind compared to the comics. Compared to what people expect us to be.

And only because any other possible competition is incompetent doesn't mean we can give ourselves the liberty to do nothing. It's even a better reason to update. We are on top. We are the best place there is in the internet to find out about Marvel comics. We should live up to it. Not allow ourself not update because there's nobody else to do it.

And what we are going to do is still stating the facts as accurate as possible. We use no speculation. If something happens and we don't know why, we use "for unknown reasons," "due to unrevealed circumstances."

I don't see how updating would make us be less factual. We update with the information we are being given. That's it. That's all.

We're going to re-evaluate things when the Secret Wars handbook comes out. Once that is out, we're going to re-evaluate other edit bans can be lifted based on the info provided. That was the majority vote among the admins, that's what we're doing.

What we admins agreed to do was to contain edits related to Secret Wars, there wasn't really anything clear regarding All-New, All-Different Marvel. And the reason why we had decided to do it was because we didn't know what would happen after Secret Wars. But now we do. The only thing we needed to be able to update was to know if the Marvel Universe was going to return. And it does. That's all we need to know to update these type of character pages.