Thread:Undoniel/@comment-4548390-20160928230141/@comment-3406131-20160929005944

Well, there is kind of a difference of comprehension between people on that subject, but the way I understand it, is the one presented in pre-Secret Wars stuff, but also in.

In truth, the only things that oppose this vision are the interview and twitter blurry statements of Al Ewing, although he is the author on the Ultimates issue.

To say it simply: (I had a similar arguments years ago with some people considering universes weren't locations (therefore containers) (for the "nesting" of the locations on the issue/episode pages: New York in two realities was still the same place, with two points of view, and not two place different in two different universes) That vision of the issue comes from Ultimates Vol 2 7:
 * I consider the Multiverse/Omniverse go through iterations (that's well established):
 * They are destroyed, another one come in place. Moridun, maybe the Dweller in Darkness, the Phoenix Force (and some related entities), and now most of Earth-616 + a few Ultimate and other realities denizens, are all only "survivors" from previous iterations (just like were Doom, Strange and the Ark survivors).
 * In the other side, Taa is history: It was in the 6th iteration, and wasn't present in Earth-616 nor any realities of the multi/omniverse. (That doesn't mean there is no possibility for a Taa in any universe of the 7th or 8th iteration, but as far)
 * They are containers:
 * Moridun was in some universe among the Fifth Cosmos (Omniverse),
 * Galactus and all the people from Adventures of the X-Men were contained in "Earth-0", within the Sixth Infinity (Omniverse)
 * The former mainstream universe Earth-616 and most/all-except-Earth-0 pre-Secret Wars universe were contained within the Seventh Cosmos (Omniverse)
 * The current Earth-616, or more exactly Prime Earth (616 is a convenience I gladly accept, Prime Earth is the exact stuff I don't dismiss) is in the Eight Cosmos (Omniverse)
 * Reece has the 7th omniverse in his box. It is dead ("everything died")
 * The 7th 616 people were sent to the 8th

Hope that explain my point of view. I hope it wasn't too long...

From the way Omniverses are described, they might have specific ("a place of Kirby science", "an universe of dark magic"), and so, I'd be more comfortable with separate pages. In my opinion, Multiverse & Omniverse should be disambiguation pages (or a redirect for Multiverse & Omniverse, a disambiguation) for Fifth Cosmos, Sixth Infinity, Seventh Cosmos, Eight Cosmos, Glossary:Multiverse and Glossary: Omniverse. I don't think sections in the Multiverse page are the good format. But the Multiverse page could in a format similar to the Minotaur: A link, a small text, a link, a small text (or in this case, 1 to 3 lines per iteration, with the link both in text and in minipics portals).

To try to be simple, Multiverse is a concept, while Fifth Cosmos is an actual thing. It would be like having a page Country (well that argument lose value if the page was Marvel Universe or Marvel Multiverse. And I don't see the Cosmoses as different "moments" of the Marvel Multiverse, but as versions, something like "like alternate but rather successive" versions.

On the Omniverse stuff, I think Marvel is flipping a finger to other Multiverses and doing it how they like it. That bothers me, but it seems Omniverse has become a simple synonym for Multiverse, and as it is used, we have to use as well, until a correction. I don't know how to handle that.

No problem on being stubborn, in my country, that's a natural characteristic, and as long as people are open to each other arguments, it's okay.