Thread:Wazzirving/@comment-61371-20120303161509/@comment-2051886-20120305223545

Thanks for your input, Ed. No need for apologies. Also, thank you for clearing-up the debate about our "prior discussion", but I believe we're past that.

Not sounding fictitious, but, so we understand each other, you believe that because a character goes to another place, has a different name, and changes their personality, then they deserve a page dedicated to their brief moment of difference. That doesn't exactly fit as a uniform idea, because, then, we should make a new page for every character that was brainwashed or under the influence of magic. Those people hit two of the three ideas, for sure, and I'm sure a number of them hit all three points, but we know better than to give them their own pages, because they were the exact same person, thinking they weren't. That said, I actually agree with your point of "...the orgiginal Rachel and the "new" Rachel from that perspective have no differences...". If you get a new page based on you full-well knowing that you are a separate entity, then you win, but Kang/Rama-Tut/Scarlet Centurion do not and have separate pages, to differentiate themselves from one another. Age of Apocalypse Bishop did not and got his own page. Why can we justify that those are "needed", but a character that is another entity, but has the exact same origin as her counterparts, is not "needed"?

Also, you believed that there were many incarnations of Jean Grey. Honestly, I take that as a poke, because there has actually only been one and I know you are aware of that. More importantly, you said that Rachel didn't change her name and doesn't consider herself a separate entity. Literally, half-right. If she was born "Rachel Summers" and called herself "Phoenix", but comes out of the timestream calling herself "Rachel Grey" and "Marvel Girl", then she changed her name. Like Mother Askani, though, you're right, she does not consider herself a separate entity, but once again, neither do any of the Nathaniel Richards. All of them know that they are the same person and have no problems interacting with their counterparts, while still not considering themselves separate entities. I guess the issue is more about the timestream and chronoanomalies than separate universes. Rachel's (all of them) scenario mirrors Kang more than anyone and I believe it is not confusing and more explanatory to keep three pages, lest someone believe that there were only two Rachels in existence.

Keeping two pages simply because they have the same histories does not watch our backs for later problems that may arise, such as Illyana Rasputin. There have actually been three Illyana's and the current is not the original, but I have been putting that entire bio on one page. I have had at least two users confused about her death, which Johnnybravo 44 and Peteparker both said that we will keep, because I have to explain that there were actually three of her and we put it on one page, much like what you want, because two of them had the same history (until one of them snatched the other prematurely from the timestream) and the third one only exists from a part of the original's soul. I actually tried to say that in the text, but you both know that certain people don't read an simply look at the pictures and powers.