Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-61022-20160407162227

After much debate and consultation with the printed material, the Marvel Database position on Ultimate End is that the entire plot involves characters that are not from Earth-616 and Earth-1610 but similar realities. states that the Kingdom of Manhattan domain in Secret Wars is designated Earth-61610.

The Handbook states thus:

The key words being "Similar to Earth-616/Earth-1610" and not "is Earth-616/Earth-1610". Also reviewing profiles for Iron Man, and Vision in the same handbook has *no* mention of the events of Ultimate End.

We have posed the question to Brian Michael Bendis and he has not responded.

As such, barring any other explanation we are accepting the fact that the characters featured in Ultimate End are NOT the Earth-616 or Earth-1610 characters. As such it is the Wiki's position to not consider them as such. All intents and purposes all the characters in this story appear to be as they were pre AXIS and pre Cataclysm (with some possible exceptions, but that seems to be the consistent theme). Supporting the idea that these are characters from alternate realities similar to Earth-616 and Earth-1610, but NOT those realities.

To avoid creating unnecessary TRNs from being created we are lumping all these characters into the designation provided by the handbook, Earth-61610, until further clarification (if any) can be provided.

Moving forward, all characters who appear in Ultimate End will have unique character profiles created under the Earth-61610 designation. For example:


 * John Smith (Earth-61610)

However since characters have various counterparts that exist we have four sub-descriptors that we are using:


 * Characters who DO NOT have a counterpart active in story will not have a descriptor.


 * Characters that are similar to an Earth-616 character will have the sub-designation "Prime" (as Earth-616 is also being referred to as the "Prime Universe")


 * Characters that are similar to the Ultimate Universe will be designated as "Ultimate".


 * Characters who are similar to the time displaced All-New X-Men currently active in the present day on Earth-616 will have a "Past" designation.

Examples:


 * Mile Morales (Earth-61610) - He has no descriptor because he has no other alternate counterpart that is designated to the Kingdom of Manhattan.


 * Tony Stark (Prime) (Earth-61610) & Tony Stark (Ultimate) (Earth-61610), because there are two Tony Starks one is from a universe similar to the Prime and Ultimate universes.


 * Scott Summers (Prime) (Earth-61610) and Scott Summers (Past) (Earth-61610) as there is a Prime universe and All-New X-Men variants of the character in this story.

That said, the following house cleaning items need to be completed by Wiki contributors. Those of you wishing to provide data pertaining to the Ultimate End event, please be sure you are also doing the following house cleaning:


 * A page needs to be created for Earth-61610 a full description for that reality must be chronicled. As well as images.


 * All summaries for Ultimate End Vol 1 need to be corrected so character appearances are all ascribed to Earth-61610 versions of characters for proper categorization.


 * All mention of Ultimate End in profiles belonging to Earth-616 and Earth-1610 characters must be removed. This includes all "Appearance of Death" notations for Ultimate characters and restored to whatever prior status quo before this event (example Ultimate Captain America of Earth-1610 should have reference to his "Death' in removed and returned to the )


 * Independent profiles for all characters who appear in Ultimate End that belong to the Kingdom of Manhattan need to be created, populated with images, and have the correct information transcribed.

THIS EDITORIAL DECISION HAS BEEN BASED ON OFFICIAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY MARVEL THAT IS AVAILABLE AT THIS PRESENT TIME

We understand that some of you may not personally agree with this editorial position but above all else we strive to be a Wiki based on the facts that are available, not presumption, or opinion. At this present time all indications point to the fact that Ultimate End does not involve any characters from Earth-616 or Earth-1610. We understand that a lot of promotional material prior to the publication of the event had lead many readers into believe that was the case, but as evident from the handbook released last week that is no longer the case.

In order to remain accurate and a fact driven Wiki we must abide by the most current information officially made by Marvel. Since the Handbook is the MOST CURRENT we have to go by the position it presents.

'''PLEASE BE ADVISED: This issue will not be debated on further on an official capacity. Please do not argue the decision with Admins, Mods, or other Wikia contributors regarding the matter to have this decision overturned. General discussion in the forums is acceptable, but this is the position we are officially taking at this present time. When new information becomes OFFICIALLY available (IE: a new handbook or something stated IN STORY) that creates a positive link between Earth-616 and Earth-1610 and the events of Ultimate End, we will open discussion on that after the fact. Until then, as stated, this position is final.''' 