Thread:Undoniel/@comment-4548390-20160928230141/@comment-3406131-20160929232353

The Many-Angled One wrote: But Earth-616 (it's still being used as the mainstream reality designation in many comic books) wasn't the only universe from the Seventh Cosmos to make it to the Eighth Cosmos, there are others, like Earth-90214. If they managed to make it in this stance, then it's probable that they did make it in the previous ones too, right? Still the same thing: the Eight cosmos realities are being (re)created by Richards and Reece. At the end of the Seventh Cosmos, Doom managed to use remnants to create the Battleword: They weren't completely destroyed, like they were in the Sixth Cosmos. That's the complicated/blurry/unconfirmed argument. The simple one is "Reed Richards recreated them, while on the previous, everything died, and the renewal wasn't (as far as we know) coordinated by someone restoring previous stuff" (well, there is still the thing with the Phoenix collecting the positive energies before the end of Multiverse).

The Many-Angled One wrote: Don't remember who said it, maybe it was Brevoort himself or another member of the Marvel staff (will have to check it later), but it was said that Reed Richards is restoring destroyed universes as well as creating new ones, they even used it as an excuse to explain why the Ultimate Universe hasn't returned yet. If you can find that interview back, that would be interesting for the previous point.

The Many-Angled One wrote: Brevoort hates the Earth-616 designation, we all know that, he wants to get rid of it, but this claims, if they were really written by him (and I'm pretty sure they were), are contraditory. Yêp, that's kind of not helping at all for serious discussion.

ADour wrote: The issue with nesting is not what is nested within the Cosmos but where the Cosmos are nested. They shouldn't be nested whitin the "Multiverse" or "Omniverse" because they didn't exist within the Multi/Omniverse, they were the Multi/Omniverse themselves, just in different stages of their lifespan. I'm not sure I follow you: I didn't nested the Cosmoses within the Omniverse, I nested realities and their content within Cosmoses. That's kind of listing stuff that way.

ADour wrote: We already had this discussion, so it's not necessary to repeat it. But as you mentioned that the 7th and 8th being the same isn't proof the other six are, I commented that is a rather non sequitur argument. The comments made on Ultimates #6 also don't necessary favor either argument. The 7-to-8 renewal was special, but that doesn't mean being special is what makes the 7th and 8th cosmos the same universe. Just to be clear, the cosmoses aren't universes, they're multiverses or omniverses. About the non sequitur argument, I can contest your logic as well: You assume that what happened in the last renewal, but there's no mention of "Earth-0" being restored. It's a new multiverse that arose with new universes, as far as I can tell from the elements I have.