Board Thread:Administrative/@comment-61022-20161124005352/@comment-61022-20161129214849

Okay first of all, why is everyone taking what I'm saying on a personal level? I'm not saying these things as a personal attack on any of you.

I'm sorry to hear that you have health issues to deal with Annabelle, but my comments were not meant to put down your contributions.

Likewise, ManyAngled... Your responses are taking a more personal tone like I'm dumping on you specifically or something.

I want to make it very clear that I'm not taking swipes at anyone personally. I'm looking at some things that I feel they need improvement and offering a solution.

What I am feeling here is that any time I make suggestions on how we can make changes, I get responses like I'm taking personal digs at people. I almost rarely get constructive feedback.

The Many-Angled One wrote: You're funny. You said you want to make the wiki more accessible to the avarage user, and then "throw" at us your intricate edits.

Easier to navigate. There is a difference between navigating and editing. Stop comparing two different issues as though they're the same.

Don't you think that can be confusing for people who are not as savvy as you are?

Again, you're comparing navigation with editing. The average visitor is not editing pages.

If you're going to edit issue summaries, I would hope that you're taking advantage of all the resources that are available to you to make your contributions as complete as possible.

And aren't you the guy who says if a person want to really know these kind of things they should look for the comic books themselves and read it? I'm pretty sure you are.

Yes, I have said that, because what they are looking for is clearly not adequately documented here. If we actually had people focusing on things other than compiling lists of categories instead of doing the intensive research, I wouldn't have to tell people to do that.

However, that does not negate our need to add that information. When it comes to the more research-intensive aspects of this Wiki, we should be making things easier to navigate. That should translate to issue summaries being as detailed as possible.

If one want to know where a certain event fits, they usually go to a character, an event, a story arc, or even a storyline page to see where it fits. People hardly go to the comic book pages to know what happened there or where they fit in chronology. They go there to know which character was there and what was their role, which are easily displayed by those tags.

What about the stories that are not part of an arc? You're going to be hard pressed to find that information. There are literally decades of material that are not part of any plottable story arc.

That's also not to say anything about all the *gaps* in information that are still out there, because, surprise, people don't fill out all the proper information.

Some people want to be able to navigate when characters appear next. That's the whole reason we implemented the APN tags to begin with. There was a demand for it.

People want to know it and we need to fill that out as clearly as possible.

Marvel used Ultimates Squared as a name for the series constantly while promoting it, and even the previous volume itself has links that lead to the new volume.

Which again, doesn't account for being as accessible as possible. You're assuming that someone read any of those promos.

If we're the first place someone goes looking, they're not going to know about those promos. That's the point I'm getting at. The search function needs to work for the lowest common denominator.