Board Thread:Television/@comment-1713281-20131004113215/@comment-3406131-20140502063146

LoveWaffle wrote: I mean, seriously, she pulled out Godwin's law right away. No, Skye, the Red Skull and Hydra were not Nazis. They were ready to attack Berlin and eliminate the Third Reich. Hydra was an organization founded on the principal that humanity can't be entrusted with its own freedom, not anything like German nationalism or the Aryan master race. If they were, people like this, or Raina, or this wouldn't have been allowed in.
 * Nazis killing Nazis doesn't make them not Nazis.
 * Peterson is nothing else than a weapon for them, as anyone else. The Nazis did recruited troops of foreigners, the most quoted being supposedly a massive corps of Arabs, but in fact there was pretty much of everything (Indians, British, Bretons, Russians, Muslim Bosniac, etc). But yes, they're not simply Nazis. In fact, even in the camps, there were jews in the post of Kapos. That's even part of the Nazi strategy, I think to have read it somewhere. In fact, the world is that way: People use people they despised all the time. But in-Marvel, I think there is some related discussion in (between Strucker and the soon-to-be-revealed Skrulls/superior officers on Hydra), and "consequently", I can't manage to find it back.

What was sad was that Grant didn't try to explain much why they aren't like Nazis (he did said "not anymore"?), like in, where Evelyn Necker at least try to explain to Nova that A.I.M. try to create a better world by science, etc.

So yes, oversimplification, but a little real explanation could have helped to get out of that cliché situation. Grant would have got her a punch to calm her down, explain to her what was Hydra for her, she wouldn't have believe, would have played the touched girl, spitted on her face to show him her hate, and then Deathlok would have come for the "talk-or-else-I-kill-you-Ex/Terrorist/Simili-Nazi/Boy-Friend?/Grant-scene". (and that would have been a little cliché too, but less than what we had there, as it is true, Skye is a little whiny (but maybe it's hard to no be in company of a good-father/killer-machine and of a boy-friend/secret-terrorist-nazi)).

And what was her plan anyway? She knows how good Ward is, did she really he couldn't handle a couple of normal LAPD officers? And when that doesn't work (shocker), she tries to drive off in a cop car and hope Ward, Deathlok, or anyone else with Hydra doesn't find her? 14-year-olds put more thought into running away from home. Well, that was because of it she put a major alert on him, to have numerous cops looking for him. She likely forgot about Deathlok, that was the weak part of the plan, but he could have been busy shattering another S.H.I.E.L.D. location. The cops were too slow (and we can forgive them, as they weren't really aware of the situation). She should have contacted Stark or Rhodey or something similar. The Rising Tide is supposed to have connections, or more exactly ways, and I doubt Skye wouldn't be able to reach such contacts, or at least alert them she was about to contact them. But on the other hands, except "because is a good guy" doesn't mean those guys would have believed her, nor had time to pass there to help her, even if the "I have the secret of Chitauri and Asgardian weapons and few other stuffs, and that maybe-kind-of-Nazi guy who is kind of my boyfriend long story short want to take it to give it to his kind-of-Nazi organization, and you should probably be careful, there might a Deathlok running around, you don't know him ? It's a nice Afro-American single father, you should met his son, he's adoraaaaable, so this man's a killer-machine, but don't kill, I see there is still a good man inside of him. Yep he will try to kill you guys if you show up.".