Thread:Undoniel/@comment-32317643-20170928132120/@comment-3406131-20170929140647

So a few points:
 * Handbooks are canon until further retcons
 * Retcons can be applied to retcons, stories change
 * It's not because something isn't shown the first time that it can't be canon. If the plot didn't needed to show something, why show it? And authors sometimes add details. Your point is close to say that we can't talk about the Super-Soldier serum as part of Weapon Plus because it wasn't told the first time the serum was presented. That's a writer's choice to choice part or all of something. That's even a way to create new stories from old storylines.

For my two last points, here something new that change everything in your views (and it's not in an handbook): In, in 1,000,000 BC, there's already a Ghost Rider bonded to a Spirit of Vengeance. So the Spirits of Vengeance (or an impersonator) already exist around one million years before the Great Cataclysm (18,000 BC), which allegedly (meaning "according to what was known before this retcon/revelation") was the event after which the Spirits were created.

You talk about beliefs, but you're the one that dismiss anything that doesn't fit his little theory.

If you really want to help (and not just shout at everyone that everyone -marvel staff included- but yourself is wrong), do an honest and referenced work on the Spirits of Vengeance on a dedicated page, with including the handbooks' material. In the end, maybe your work will prove you right, but until then, you're mostly whining because we don't reject material that deserve your point of view and your theory, when we're simply looking for the right answer.

If you want to have the correct information according to your own frame, feel free to do it elsewhere, nobody is stopping you, but here pretty much everyone use the handbooks, so you would only waste everyone's time for no result.