Thread:Nausiated/@comment-3406131-20161122175750/@comment-3406131-20161122191900

Nausiated wrote: As an aside, I was thumbing through the first issue of and noted that Isaac Newton is a featured character in that series. Since Newton was involved with the Brotherhood of the Shield, we should probably keep a close eye on that series to see if there are any nuggets of information that can be gleaned there. Oh yes, I intend to message you about it, but completely forgot, my bad. Wouldn't be surprised Newton to be also a Scientist Supreme, if that piece of shit (I'm a pro-da Vinci) managed to arise as a Sorcerer Supreme.

Nausiated wrote: My theory on this is that the Brotherhood of the Spear likely has connections with the Hand. Since both organizations were formed in the east, that's not a massive stretch. I think perhaps the Brotherhood didn't really get it's tentacles (pardon the pun) into Hydra until Strucker made that connection with the Hand. Oh yeah about that:
 * We will have to go back to the Zodiac Wheel of Secret Warriors for that period.
 * mentions the Hand being 4 billion years old. The Hydra page have those elements but they are "In prehuman time, a cabal of immortal hooded reptoids came to Earth, planning to start a legacy of evil." Was it you who added that (and if so, have you more explanation)? Because:
 * There's no hooded reptoids from the past in the issue, but Hand zombi ninjas in the present.
 * The explanation in the comics is for the Hand.
 * The Hand is called the Beast, but we know Hydra is as well.
 * In Nostradamus' premonitions in, it is mentioned that Spear falls to the Beast, we see Hirohito, we see Nazis finding the Spear of Imhotep. So should we consider it is the Brotherhood of the Spear (or an ancient Hydra) that falls to the Nazi Hydra (or to the Hand, but it's Nazi that we see taking the spear), or only the Spear (object).

Talking about, I'll need your expertise as a Hydra/S.H.I.E.L.D. expert and as an American to recognize some characters that might be useful (presumably more for Shield than for Spear).

Nausiated wrote: What motivations there are, and the connections between the Brotherhood of the Shield and modern day S.H.I.E.L.D. appear to be so very very vague right now, so of course my speculations are just that. But I think the fact that all these organizations are inter-connected is certainly unquestionable. Likely, Shield's elements have influenced the creation of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the da Vinci-Newton war aftermaths (IIRC, the agency was created in the the 60's, and the war happened in the 50's, 1956-1957, around that time I think).

Nausiated wrote: I really hope Marvel gets around to publishing the last two issues of S.H.I.E.L.D. Vol 2 or at least start making good with the explanations. I've thought about that, I believe they maybe prefer to save the mystery, spill more hints (Captain America: Steve Rogers #7, Doctor Strange and the Sorcerers Supreme #1, Avengers World #13) and later gave us the whole story.

If I were to theorize, in those few thousand years, the Brotherhood of the Spear migrated to China. If you look back at the "original" origins of Hydra, Baron Strucker first attempted to form the group circa 1941 with no apparent influences. He just wanted to create an army of supplant the Nazis (That was in Wolverine: Origins, the specific issue numbers escape me for the moment). Later tellings (specifically the Uncanny X-Men story that is a flashback to Wolverine and Captain America fighting Hydra in Madripoor during World War II) tie the formation of Hydra in with the Hand.

My theory on this is that the Brotherhood of the Spear likely has connections with the Hand. Since both organizations were formed in the east, that's not a massive stretch. I think perhaps the Brotherhood didn't really get it's tentacles (pardon the pun) into Hydra until Strucker made that connection with the Hand. If you could had those Hydra events to the Brotherhood of the Spear's page, that would be great.