Board Thread:Policies/@comment-10473115-20170415164119/@comment-10473115-20170415223610

Shabook wrote: Sometimes, the more involved I am with a role in this wiki, the less I like to be involved, and that should NEVER be the environment a fandom community keeps or promotes. Yes, and that we are trying to improve. You were mentioned on my initial post because I defended your actions on the same principles as Monolith's. It was done just to lessen the feeling you expressed at first sentence. As an admin, I don't intend to play any favorites and if you ever see me doing it, please tell it directly because it's unintentional and should be get rid of. I don't think that updating policies is only admins's task, I think that those should be decided amongst every contributor and also responsibility for having good policies is shared amongst every user. And one last question, you also told that you have felt that you have to defend more of yourself instead of your argument. Can you elaborate a little because that kind of discussion should be improved and that is the main point in this thread.

Most important thing might still be comment about that active discussion. I already told that I don't consider discussion without a post in a week as an active.

The Many-Angled One wrote: Yeah, the major part of my edits here are related to images, but that's not everything my work here is limited to. And even if it was, what's the problem with it? Everyone helps the way they can or in the way they prefer. We don't have to write a whole article with references and all or revolutionize something around here just to prove our worthy as contributors. Diminish someone based on their edits is not cool, doesn't matter the reason. I agree with you wholeheartedly. But I'm sorry to admit that I can't see any of that in the discussed thread. Only one I know to used arguments like that is Nausiated and I didn't see any of it in that discussion. Can you also elaborate your opinion as I admit that I failed to see your point.

AnnabellRice wrote: That's not the main issue, it's not a problem with a single topic or a single user.

The main issue is that people seemingly can't express dissent of late without things becoming personal. Monolith616 implying someone's opposition is just because they're a badge hunter was merely the boiling point that's resulted in the current boycott and very real potential permanent loss of some of the site's top contributors, but the condescending undertones and being told our opinions are meaningless by various other mods/admin have been simmering for quite a while. It reliefs me somewhat that the main problem weren't the things I answered in the opening post because I thought am I overreacting or something like that. Based on the latter part of the quote, it's about the time to address the situation but you have to help me to understand it. I didn't see any accusations about badge hunting or any condescending undertones so please help me to it. I don't want to walk away, and I think it's safe to say the various other mods/admin that I've had extensive private chats with about this specific topic who've told me they plan to leave don't want to walk away either, but we shouldn't be asked to be part of a double standard where we're asked to ban disrespectful users, yet also tolerate mods/admin disrespecting contributors. That is the reason I oppose discussions about the wiki outside of the wiki. There's nothing good to achieved by that. I agree that there shouldn't be any double standards and I've opposed poorly based admin decisions before but it's difficult to participate in the discussion when you don't know what's discussed. If it was up to me I would ban private discussions of our site. Lastly, what you found disturbing is presented completely out of context in the original post here. It wasn't ad hominem, as it was a general comment in response to concerns of the wiki seemingly "against collecting information" and not directed at anyone specifically. It was only taken out of the context of the whole discussion and it wasn't very constructive comment. I considered it ad hominem because it questioned the motives and contributions of delete taggers. We have a history in debates and that's why it was easy for me to read as a sarcastic comment because in my view we share the sense of sarcasm. That's why I considered it just as part of the spirited debate. I don't see any ill will in there and feel that I could have easily posted the same text. But when I reviewed the thread I really found it most disturbing. Please remember that I'm still in the belief that discussion on that thread was civil and constructive in behalf of every contributor so I'm not blaming you.

Okay, and now my own thoughts about all of your comments. What the hell is happening? I don't threaten to disappear from the site but I've actually done it twice before with a bad conscience. My reasons have mostly been the time this hobby is taking and only for the little part about the lacking of decision making. I've always felt that we have problems with our policies which are not updated but I'm as responsible as any other. As you should know, there hasn't been anybody besides me to update those policies in years. Before we upgraded content moderators and gave them their voice on policies, we had a problem with too few opinions. Now we have better discussions (in my opinion) and more griping about bad policies but not enough work on those. So I'm still waiting for suggestions how to fix our problems.