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First off BeyonderGod, I think you have a problem reading source material. You seem to not understand concepts and on top of that when I present to you comics that counter your claims you don't even reference those. If you want to be a good debater you should read the source material your opponent cites. You said you base you're information on the two Secret Wars limited series? Fine. I've read those many many times. You say you have "scans" so clearly you have alternate means of obtaining older comics, so please before you continue this ridiculious argument, pull up the comics I'm referencing and actually read them, you're sounding foolish trying to prove a point that you (a) don't cite any references and (b) try to argue without reading the counterpoints. You'd flunk debate class.

BeyonderGod wrote:

First off 1. Living Tribunal is Nigh-Omnipotent he isn't stated to be on TOAA level because he was absorbed by Thanos a lesser being without IG

Seriously can you stop abbreviating things? How the hell do you expect people to understand what you're saying if you're abbreviating everything? Second of all, you aren't providing any sources. You notice how I posted the comics I'm referencing? Maybe if you wanted to prove your point better you could post some sources.

Second of all, I think you don't understand the definition of the word "Nigh" which means near or close to (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nigh?s=t) that doesn't mean the Beyonder is more or less omnipotent. Second of all he is nigh omnipotent compared to the One Above All. Which as I pointed out in my post above, and stated in a Marvel Handbook the Living Tribunal is the next in line of the most powerful beings in the universe. That's what they meant when they said "Second only to the One Above All" in.

BeyonderGod wrote: plus if you actually notice LT begged beyonder not to Kill death

I believe you are referring to When the Beyonder uses his powers to eliminate Death. The Living Tribunal is not begging the Beyonder out of weakness, he is begging because Death is a fundamental part of the fabric of reality. Something that if the Beyonder was omnipotent would know. What happens, he upsets the fabric of the universe. More over, the Beyonder was manipulated into destroying death by a mere human Dave McCorkle. In fact killing Death was Dave's bright idea. If the Beyonder is as omnipotent as you say he would have known better.

BeyonderGod wrote: 2.Beyonder during the secret wars is 1,000,000 times stronger then the entire multiverse and was stated to be the sum of the Beyond realm which was what again? a drop in a sea compared?

You're very poorly referencing fragments of narratives of the Beyonder's power. Keep in mind that everyone who references the Beyonder's power levels are below him. Mephisto, Reed Richards, Own Reece. The Beyonder meanwhile believes his own hype. If he was so blasted powerful how did Dr. Doom steal his power in or Mephisto able to steal any of his power in ? If he is so omnipotent and all powerful he would have been able to forsee these things and prevent them from happening.

BeyonderGod wrote: And if by logically thinking his realm existed along with the marvel universe so sir thank you but I'm the one over here who has scans of beyonder>

Actually, yes the Beyonder is part of the Marvel Universe. Or specifically Earth-616. Beyonder realm is a pocket universe that is connected to Earth-616 proper. If he was a singular being, he would not have alternate reality counterparts. But he has counterparts on many realities see [] for the full listing. Meanwhile, the Living Tribunal is a singular character in the universe. Every appearance he's made is the same guy, as I pointed out by referencing. The most powerful beings in the multiverse are singular beings. The only two characters like that are the One Above All and the Living Tribunal. Not even Death, Galactus, Eternity, Master Order, Lord Chaos or the In-Betweener all important elements of the multiverse are singular beings they all have alternate reality counterparts.

BeyonderGod wrote: LT any day LT begged Beyonder not to kill death why would the 2nd to god not kill him?

As I stated above, his "begging" wasn't a request of mercy but a plea that he was messing with the fabric of that reality. Conversely, the Living Tribunal offers warnings and if things aren't righted again he is forced to wipe out the universe in question. Case in point, when Dr. Strange unleashed Zom to stop Umar the Living Tribunal appeared and threatened to destroy the universe because in doing so he awoke many evil mystics around the Earth. The Tribunal gave Strange an ultimatum: stop these evil magicians or the Earth dies. Strange complied between through.

Further, in the Living Tribunal destroyed Earth-84232 because Earth's heroes could not stop Korvac who achieved Beyonder level power (if not more powerful).

Compared to the Living Tribunal was still assessing the situation. Clearly if the world's heroes proved unable to stop the Beyonder, the Living Tribunal could have destroyed Earth-616 and the Beyonder along with it. He has a precedence of only stepping in and adjudicating over the fate of a universe when its champions prove unable to stop a powerful cosmic being.

BeyonderGod wrote: Because even stan lee called Beyonder Omnipotent

And what on Earth are you referencing here? Where does that say that Stan Lee ever said that? (See how citing references is important?) And even if he did, he hasn't been involved in the editorial decisions at Marvel since the 70s. His opinion has no baring on cannon or what direction characters have taken since he basically stopped writing. The only thing I could possibly imagine you could be citing is the appearance of Stan Lee in the 90s Spider-Man Cartoon which featured an adaptation of Secret Wars. Which again, alternate reality.

BeyonderGod wrote: I got scans of it also Good game with the links but proves LT is below Secret Wars Beyonder.

How does "having scans" on a limited series published 29 years ago make you an authority on a subject? I collected Secret Wars and Secret Wars II in it's original run when I was a kid. I've read the limited series multiple times. This argument is invalid because you have not bothered to read any of the material about the other character that counters any of the points you made.

Seriously, you are a crappy researcher. Now while I cannot claim to have read every comic book that has been published in Marvels 75 years if publication, but ask around to anyone with some clout around here I've read a LOT. I don't just focus on one character. I read about them all. And I don't suffer from blind favouritism. I fact check. I research. Which given your lack of contribution to this site (other than horribly written and spelled forum posts) I can see that you really don't have it in you to put in any proper research in any comments you have to say.

Therefore, you're argument is not only irrelevant anything more you can say can change how thoroughly debunked your arguments, even staying in your "Secret Wars Beyonder" perimeters. You will also note that I chose Living Tribunal material that also pre-dates the New Avengers: Illuminati retcon of the Beyonder as well.

If you really want to try and prove a point, go back and read the comics I've referenced and also pick yourself up the Marvel Handbooks that cover both the Living Tribunal and the Beyonder, and actually read the damn things. I suspect you might need some reading lessons since I don't think you can understand subtle concepts like context, but give it a go.