Board Thread:Movies/@comment-3156395-20130412022554/@comment-1895174-20130520231731

Yes, statistically so. Both domestic and international statistics make up 50% of the complete gross, so both are equally significant. No matter how much better it is for you to use only one of those halves. No matter how remarkable one half is, because it comes from one country. Both halves are statistically, equally siginificant. Irrefutable. No, not when one of those numbers is only 5% of the world population. Ugh. That's the point. Yes, countries care how much films make in their own country. That's the first reason as to why domestic values even exist. I rest my case.

And no, I don't assume something has to be the world to be a worldwide standard. I believe that something has to be used in at least more than one country to be a worldwide standard. You've refuted the American standard as the worldwide standard by saying "America isn't the world".

America does have a standard of caring about US grosses. But as you've already agreed, no other country does. Therefore it is a national standard, not an international standard, and certainly not a worldwide standard. So I guess that means there is no worldwide standard.

Again, that's the point. We're not talking as producers here, are we? We're talking about the statistics that the general public wants to know. And over 95% of the public don't want to know the domestic values. We are talking as producers since they're the people that care about these numbers. What 95% of the public think doesn't matter since they don't have a stake in it.

And if you're not looking at it from that standpoint, you're in the wrong discussion.

That's not how tables work. Tables tell you what the values are. Or, at least, they're supposed to. In no way is it right for them to use domestic values without telling me that they're domestic. It's how their tables work, and they do tell you that if you just care enough to seek out the information.

Well, no I didn't. I never said anything like that. So what's worse, is that you assumed that I assumed that. That's a lie, you've said several times that Box Office Mojo and myself are not counting international grosses.

No. I believed your average, but I assumed it to have a very large standard deviation. You told me it didn't, and I can't be bothered to do the maths to take it any further. And you assumed wrong.

No, again, you're assuming that I'm assuming things. Just settle down. I assumed that something should be used in at least more than one country for it to be a worldwide standard. And that's correct. You've said "America is not the world" to refute the American standard as the global one. And who are you to say that no other country cares about the American statistic? When you're using a statistic to base a comparison off of, you need one with limited variables, and the American gross is historically the best one for that, especially with superhero films. If we were talking a Miyazaki film, which does most of its business in Japan, we would be using the Japanese numbers. But definitely not an international one.

Yeah, I did assume it, but only because the statistic I wanted to know is the actual complete gross. Although, actually, I don't think I said that it was better to base a comparison off of. Which is why the international statistic was provided when talking about Punisher: War Zone's complete gross, and a domestic one when trying to draw a comparison (and even then, I still provided the international one to make a point).

So, anyway, it appears that you've been assuming a lot of things as well. Maybe next time, after someone apologises to you, you'll think about your own argument, before you make a hypocritical statement about someone else's. I haven't made assumptions, just observations based on your comments or statements of fact based on how the industry works. You're trying to re-write what you've said.

I'd suggest you redirect your efforts elsewhere.