Board Thread:Administrative/@comment-61022-20141130210313

Hey guys,

Doing my research of Nick Fury for an expanded history page and I was reviewing the recent revelation regarding the Dum Dum Dugan LMD that was revealed in. I think we need to do some editorial house cleaning and interpretation with this because the narrative messes up established continuity and the set timeline via the Sliding Time Scale.

The sticking point is that in the narrative that Fury provides is that Dum Dum's death happened in the "Early days of SHIELD" and specifies the date as 1966. Which does not fit with Marvel continuity at all. The SHIELD anti-espionage organization was not formed until the modern age shortly after the birth of the Fantastic Four and founding members of the Avengers as specified in, and many other publications. SHIELD could not have been in existence prior to 1966. Fury was still a member of the CIA at the time and this has been documented in a number of tales as well.

So I propose a few things about referencing this:

- The date Fury mentions (1966) should be considered topical. I suspect that the writer (Al Ewing) used the year 1966 in terms of when Dugan truly died by the PUBLICATION date as opposed to the date in Marvel time. Which makes sense the early SHIELD stories appearing in Strange Tales Vol 1 were published in late 1965, early 1966. The first Hydra storyline ending in January 1966.

- The Marvel Chronology Project -- of course -- hasn't gotten around to updating their Nick Fury timeline, but doing my own independent research I would stay that the flashback in where Dugan is killed in action happened sometime after. This would make the most sense as the first incarnation of Hydra that SHIELD battled between and  was such a small operation. The much larger version with Baron Strucker in command was active between through. This could be supported by the fact that in Original Sins, Fury and SHIELD were going after Otto Vermis, the Hydra agent tied into the origin of Spider-Woman. Vermis himself did not appear until circa 1977, however if you read the narrative in the story Vermis acts as though he encountered SHIELD before. shows Fury destroying Hydra Island and seemingly slaying Strucker. started a brand new storyline where Fury teaches new spies. The flashback from could fit perfectly between these two stories because it would make sense that SHIELD would go after other Hydra units that were active while Strucker was in charge.

- With this logic in mind I would recommend that the "retconned" first appearance of the Dum Dum Dugan LMD to.

If everyone agrees, I recommend some house keeping for the Dugan and Dugan LMD profiles to excise any references to the year 1966, and update first and last appearances for the retcon based on the logic above, putting detailed footnotes explaining the logic as well as providing an explanation on the Talk page. 