Board Thread:Administrative/@comment-3048593-20160419182203/@comment-61022-20160420175846

My position is this (repost from my original comments in the Talk:Earth-0:

I want to point out that there is still no definitive connection between "Adventures of" and Earth-0 (for the sake of argument, I am going to define "Earth-0" as the universe that precluded Earth-616).

Let's also put aside the Post-Secret Wars "Multiversal Rebirth" stuff aside. You cannot conflate the issues of Earth-0/Adventures of the X-Men with that until we reach a consensus about what is happening here. I posit that there are sweeping generalizations being made here to make a connection here.

The fact of the matter is, while the end of Adventures of the X-Men follows a similar series of events that, as explained in other handbooks, happened on "Earth-0" prior to the birth of Galactus, and the end result was a reality similar to Earth-616. However what is missing from the equation here, and why we cannot assume what's going on here, is because despite all the explanations presented do not provide an official reality designation to anything in any mention. That is the root of the problem.

Again, while I understand that there are mentions of similar events that happened in the Adventures of series that are alluded to or partially described in various handbooks we have to acknowledge the following: ◾ There is still no official Earth designation for any reference to the universe that Galactus existed in prior to Earth-616. ◾ Likewise, there are multiple Galacti in the multiverse and there are multiple iterations of realities that are similar to Earth-616 with events happening in similar ways. Particularly the birth of that universe. ◾ Keeping that in mind, while events that happen at the end of Adventures of the X-Men bare a striking similarity to how Earth-616 started and how the modern age X-Men were formed after their universe collapsed, there is still no direct evidence stating that the events at the end of Adventures of the X-Men ended with the creation of Earth-616. It certainly went through a similar collapse and a similar rebirth process into a new universe that is certainly similar to Earth-616, but there is no specific identification that one reality led into another.

The logic here is simple: In order to make that connection between Adventures of the X-Men, "Earth-0", and Earth-616 the following needs to be identified: ◾ An official designation needs to be made for the "Adventures of" series. ◾ This designation must also be officially applied to the Galactus who is no active on Earth-616.

Until then we cannot make a generalized statement that these realities are related in the way others are suggesting.

To support my position, take a look through the countless realities featured in What If? Comic Books. A vast majority of these realities appear to be very similar to Earth-616 but history took a different turn at a key point. Another example is the reality "similar to Earth-616" that was featured in Ultimate End Vol 1. We have also indexed some 200+ versions of Galactus alone (And there are probably quite a few still missing from this list) Pointing out that a lot of these Galacti come from worlds that are similar to Earth-616 they also must have similar origins as outlined in the Handbooks.

First point: It would *only* be acceptable that the universe seen in Adventures of the X-Men was a precursor to Earth-616 *if* at the end of that story it specifically stated a designation of Earth-616 at the end of that story. Likewise, if they applied a universe designation somewhere in the Handbooks (they haven't) and in identifying that reality stated that Earth-616 was created from it when it was destroyed.

Second point: Because we do not have an identifier for the universe Galactus existed on prior to Earth-616, we cannot assume that the Galan seen in Adventures of the X-Men is the same one who popped up on Earth-616.

Third point: While Earth-616 is now being considered the "Prime Universe", prior to Secret Wars it was not considered the starting point of the multiverse. The numbers ascribed to each reality was basically random (as explained by Alan Moore's children in the forward to the definition of Earth-616 in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z #2) What we view of the mainstream Marvel Universe was never the starting point of the multiverse. While it is certainly the central focus of a lot of the literature, it is not the starting point. It's the center point or the point of focus. Time in the multiverse runs in every direction with no clear starting point. It's all left ambiguous.

That at all said, unless ALL the dots are connected you cannot make the connection. Period. At this present time the only way you can connect on destroyed reality to one that has been recreated is by the designations being identified and something connecting the two.