Thread:AnnabellRice/@comment-3406131-20181005082130/@comment-3406131-20181005232304

AnnabellRice wrote: It is a preponderance of evidence thing, they're a historical organization founded by the future Holy Roman Emperor to "defend the Catholic Church from heretics and pagans," which at the time meant the Ottoman Empire, so at the very least it appears that it was part of the Catholic Church in the 15th century; meanwhile, in universe there's a Catholic priest's assertion that it was in fact a militant Catholic order in, as well as the presence of a Catholic cardinal accompanying the self-described "warrior-priests" into battle in. The priest isn't mentioned as a cardinal. And if he is a cardinal, he might be part of both groups. The fact they're a catholic order isn't a sign of membership (cf. Templars). Similarly (cf. Templars bis), militant orders aren't part of the Church. You're mixing goals and affiliations. That's why I asked if there was any explicit relation between the two groups.

From the few information I have about the Order (and what Wikipedia (sic) informed me, there is no affiliation between the two groups despite the Order's goal of defending the group). Without mentioning the Earth-616-to-Earth-1218 relation (which would need a guideline given the generalized-two-standards that are growing within the Wikia), for the fact that they defend the Catholic church, that's not a proof: Similarly, X-Men protects other groups of mutants, withouth being part of them. That's also why I asked if there was any explicit relation between the two groups.

AnnabellRice wrote: That being said, if the objection is purely the nesting, then I think it should be the Order's links that are removed from #17-20, not the other way 'round; meanwhile, the Church should still be listed throughout both arcs as Father Jordan is very clear that he's acting as Matt's priest therein. That is way more accurate, as I said in my message (I had mentioned on my first attempt to message you that some nesting would have the Church prevail, or the Ordo, regarding the case, I've still have a problem with wall thread messages that disappear). Jordan can be part of both groups without one being necessarily part of the other. That's also why I asked if there was any explicit relation between the two groups.

The objection isn't purely about the nesting, it's about global accuracy.