Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-61022-20160330220251/@comment-24812000-20160403225314

Pokemonmewtwos wrote: The Wikia Editor wrote: Pokemonmewtwos wrote: The Many-Angled One wrote: Pokemonmewtwos wrote: The Many-Angled One wrote: Pokemonmewtwos wrote: The Many-Angled One wrote: Pokemonmewtwos wrote: The Many-Angled One wrote: Earth-15513 worked as if it was many universes before the end of the Secret Wars. The Infinity Gauntlet of New Xandar only worked on New Xandar, while the Doomstadt one only worked on Doomstadt. Maybe the merge happened in Battleworld rather than before it?

What merge are you referring to? The (sub-)domains of Kingdom of Manhattan. If Battleworld was working as if every domain was still its own universe inside the Battlerealm, then maybe when the Marvel and Ultimate portions of the Kingdom of Manhattan merged together, it was not only domain merge but reality merge.

Like I said above, the physical merge of domains didn't do anything to disrupt the space-time continuum in Battleworld. Did it affect the rest of the inhabitants of Battleworld? Absolutely not. According to this wiki (YES, THE MARVEL WIKIA), in the Multiverse section, universes are determined due to a major decision on the part of a character. Some can seem to be taking place in the past or future due to differences in how time passes in each universe. Often, new universes and dimensions are born due to time traveling, and another name for these new universes is an "alternate timeline". Battleworld had time-travel too, as was shown in the Infinity Gauntlet (with Thanos using the Time Stone to return to the past, kill his past self and take his place, leaving a trail of alternative Thanoses in his wake) and Siege (with Kang trying to avert their doom) tie-ins, but alternate versions of it weren't created because of Doom, he even made time-travelling a difficult task when he mined the timestream. So yeah, time-space disruptions were possible in Battleworld.

Like I said, Battleworld is not a reality. It is a planet like Earth. Battleworld does not operate like how the Multiverse did. Each separate domains are like countries, forged from the remnants of different Earths across the Multiverse. Like ADour stated, taking people from France and Spain and combining them into Spance. All of these domains are in one reality and that reality is Earth-15133. Just like how all of the planets and stars of our universe is only in one reality, Earth-1218. Like I said, domain and reality are not the same thing. I know this, but I think the universe which served as a cocoon to the new Multiverse and housed Battleworld really became a normal universe after the Secret Wars. There was nothing in said reality other than Battleworld, the Sun and Knowhere; and some domains of Battleworld were still operating as if they were in their own home realities. Otherwise, Black Panther wouldn't need to be on Doomstadt in order to use the Infinity Gauntlet they found on the Isle of Agamotto to fight Doom, there would be an Earth-15513 version of it.

As you said before with Miles' words, Doom allowed it to happen. If some pieces of Battleworld were still working as if they were in their own realities (even though they weren't and there realities were no more), then the merge was not only a normal physical one, you know? Metaphysics shenanigans. I remember they talking about the nature of Battleworld in the Korvac Saga tie-in, maybe this can help US here?

Though the handbook says there were two different realities, one similar to Earth-616 and other similar to Earth-1610, why not use Earth-61610 as a temporary reality number, at least until they explain this mess?

I just read the Secret Wars- Official Guide to the Marvel Multiverse and looking at the Ultimate Universe "Reality-1610" section, it says "Reality-1610 was destroyed in this final incursion with Reality-616, though some parts of both were salvaged by an all-powerful Dr. Doom-616 when he created Battleworld from Multiversal remnants; some Earth-1610 characters were scattered across Battleworld's domains."

This just confirmed that the two domains comprising the Kingdom of Manhattan were indeed the remains of Earth-616 and Earth-1610.

Not really, it says that "some parts" of both realities were salvaged by Doom and that some Earth-1610 characters were scattered across Battleworld's domains. It doesn't specify that these realities became the Kingdom of Manhattan.

If you think that the Kingdom of Manhattan is not composed of Earth-616 and Earth-1610, then where do you think Doom put the remains of Earth-616 and Earth-1610? And second of all, like the rest of the users who keep on saying "Oh the handbook said they were realities that are not Earth-616 and Earth-1610", the recent handbook said ""Originally separate domains, one similar to Earth-616 ruled by Iron Man (Tony Stark) and the other similar to Earth-1610 ruled by Nick Fury, the two accidentally merged when the latter's Tony Stark accidentally agitated a rip in reality."

This clearly states separate domains, not realities. Don't confuse the two together. Okay fine I do concede that this means that the Ultimate End characters are the ones from 616 and 1610, respectively, with their memories altered. Awesome. That's settled. And to what Nausiated said, who is "all of us" that are supposedly leaning towards categorizing the Ultimate End characters as 61610? I don't think anyone wants to do that. It would make sense and be easier to keep them the way they are.