Thread:Wazzirving/@comment-61371-20120303161509/@comment-61371-20120306021747

"Not sounding fictitious, but, so we understand each other, you believe that because a character goes to another place, has a different name, and changes their personality, then they deserve a page dedicated to their brief moment of difference"

No. That happens all the time. With Kang, that's a VERY small factor. It's mostly the chronologies that intertwine in such a way as to make ANY attempt to figure them out a sure path to insanity. By presenting them as separate pages we aren't forced to figure out which Rama-Tut incarnation this is, just that it's A Rama-Tut incarnation. Beyond that, there's the simple fact that we just don't know when each alias actually occurred (with the exception of Iron Lad, which was pre-Kang, and Immortus, who was both Kang at the end of his lifetime AND a physically separate entity). Trying to pin in Immortus' timeline ON ITS OWN is a crazy task, but adding in Scarlet Centurion, Iron Lad, Rama-Tut, and Kang (who may or may not have died several times, and may or may not even BE the original Kang due to the number of divergent timelines he's created), it's just...it's impossible, which is why even the Handbooks split him up by alias. Something they only do with Mother Askani, NOT with Rachel pre- and post-timestream.

"Age of Apocalypse Bishop did not and got his own page. Why can we justify that those are "needed", but a character that is another entity, but has the exact same origin as her counterparts, is not "needed"?"

Except that there is no real evidence to suggest she IS a separate character. Mother Askani is the separate character, and her return to Rachel's original form creates a timeloop, restoring Rachel to her pre-Mother Askani existence, something that's happened countless times in the past with various characters (usually in one-off stories). Bishop in AoA is EXACTLY like Mother Askani in that he's restored to his original body at the end of that event, with those events essentially being omitted from everything but his own mind (yet still having occurred since Earth-295 still exists). Both he and Rachel find themselves restored to their original forms after spending decades living completely different lives thanks to time travel.

"but comes out of the timestream calling herself "Rachel Grey" and "Marvel Girl""

Wrong. She came out of the timestream calling herself Rachel Summers (and maybe Phoenix. That, admittedly, is an alias I can't recall her using post-return). She adopted the Grey alias after the deaths of the other Greys at the hands of the Shi'ar Death Commandos (and anger over her feelings that Cyclops was dating Emma, with Rachel feeling Cyclops was completely forgetting Jean). She adopted Marvel Girl earlier, following the death of Jean Grey (that MAY have been upon her return, but it was specifically a response to finding out that Jean was dead). Check the Index issues covering the Uncanny issues around that period, or check the specific issues (I believe she adopted Marvel Girl in X-Treme X-Men, but Rachel "Grey" was specifically done during Claremont's run in Uncanny). It wasn't that she returned from the timestream and became those identities immediately. Both were in response to deaths in her (sort of) adopted family and Grey, at the least, was specifically dealt with in-issue by her openly stating what she was doing and why (and I'd ALMOST guarantee we have a note regarding her name change in the issue of Uncanny it happened in, but I won't swear to it. I know I added that issue, but not what all I added).

"but once again, neither do any of the Nathaniel Richards"

Kang vehemently considers himself separate from Immortus. Check...any issue in which both appear. In fact, that's a major plot point throughout the entire Avengers Forever series and leads to the physical split that leads to the two being separate entities. Kang literally wills himself to NOT become Immortus. I may actually get around to scanning that page at some point (don't know why I keep forgetting. Would solve so many problems).

"Keeping two pages simply because they have the same histories does not watch our backs for later problems that may arise, such as Illyana Rasputin. There have actually been three Illyana's and the current is not the original, but I have been putting that entire bio on one page."

Well, Illyana's more complex. She's the gathered memories and experiences of the original Illyana given a new form and eventually regaining the soul of the original. She's closer to the Exiles' Morph post-Proteus possession.