Board Thread:Movies/@comment-5787114-20160421214455/@comment-4548390-20160503230445

But remember the first Thunderbolts, they didn't want to be heroes, they were posing as if they were, but they weren't. However, eventually they changed their mind and decided to be heroes for real. Post-Civil War's Thunderbolts were villains used against their will to hunt down rogue heroes (in the eyes of the government).

If it were to combine these two approaches, I think it would be more reasonable, at the beginning, for them to be used as weapon, with Ross' intentions being known to them since then, but after they see what they can accomplish together, they decide to confront Ross (and that doesn't need to be an all-out battle like "Thunderbolts vs. Red Hulk", but that could happen) and leave the government to become their own thing.

I don't see why the Ten Rings would need the Leader, as I already pointed out, they have the Mandarin, their leader, they don't need any outside help. If they were to have a villain, I would choose a minor villain, a big bad, and Ross. The Ten Rings are something Iron Man would have to confront, not the Thunderbolts.