Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-26529096-20150624194414/@comment-61022-20160215200350

I wouldn't even go so far as to say the Ultimate Universe was destroyed. At the end of Secret Wars, Reed and his family were busy recreating the multiverse. A version of the Ultimate Universe will more than likely be revived as a result. If anything, Marvel is discontinuing the brand. It will likely be revisited again whenever a writer begins feeling nostalgic for that universe. If you don't think that's possible, then you weren't paying attention to Secret Wars at all, or the countless times past realities (even supposedly destroyed ones) were revisited.

Ultimate End was pretty ambiguous about what happened to all those Ultimate characters. They just disappeared in bright blinding light. Also nobody has bothered to confirm if they actually died or what either. I should also remind people just how permanent death is in the Marvel Universe.

Also if I'm not mistaken the only real difference on Earth-616 is that Miles Morales has "always been there"... But that's always been a given. Anyone who read Spider-Men Vol 1 knows that when Peter Parker of Earth-616 first visited the Ultimate Universe he looked for the Miles Morales of his own universe. It was left with a cliffhanger that -- so far as I know -- was never explored thereafter... But the fact that there was a Morales-616 does not surprise me. Now, I haven't read any of the All-New All-Different stuff yet, so I'm not entirely sure how completely integrated Miles is to Earth-616... But it seems highly probable that the Miles Morales of Earth-616 probably lived a parallel life with his Ultimate counterpart, probably without spider-powers. Maybe when Earth-616 was created the Miles-616 was not recreated allowing the 1610 Miles to take his place.

(Which got to point out, a story about Miles Morales-616 coming back to get revenge against the kid who stole his life would be a great story to tell.)

As for the rest... I'm not overly familiar and there is so much that still needs to be fleshed out and explained (All-New All-Different is only 3 months old after all) I think it's premature to be a highly critical fan-boy about the changes.

As for the "point" of it all? I'll agree that Secret Wars was not a stellar cross-over. A lot of filler, a flimsy been-there-done-that story about Doctor Doom gaining ultimate power only to screw the pooch at the last possible second with all existence hanging in the balance -- only for the good guys to win and save the day... Hardly original stuff... But the end result was to create radical change. Push the reset button where it was needed, do outrageous different things with various characters, and shake up the status quo.

This is hardly new ground for Marvel either. They did the exact same thing in the original Secret Wars and almost every event thereafter. Sometimes the changes last for all time (like Spider-Man's alien costume which later gave us Venom) other times things only have a minor appeal (like Wolverine having his Adamantium ripped out or Heroes Reborn) to longer lasting events that take years to come full circle (Like Civil War and Secret Invasion) Other times its just a reality bending romp that only makes some minor changes (Age of Apocalypse ended with Earth-295 characters getting dumped into Earth-616, House of M led to M-Day etc)

So to stand back and complain about all the changes going on following Secret Wars being "pointless" is narrow view. If you take a look at Marvel's publication history this isn't something new our outlandish it's "business as usual", so if you got a problem with this, go back and read through your comic book collection because I'm thinking you probably are suffering from selective memory, because this sort of thing happens all the time.