Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-61022-20160330220251/@comment-2204174-20160401153756

Let me tell you guys my reasoning for why these characters are their Earth-1610 and Earth-616 counterparts.

Like I said before, the Handbook clearly said ""Originally separate domains, one similar to Earth-616 ruled by Iron Man (Tony Stark) and the other similar to Earth-1610 ruled by Nick Fury, the two accidentally merged when the latter's Tony Stark accidentally agitated a rip in reality."

This clearly states separate domains, not realities. And before this merged domain was even formed, it was two separate domains that were remnants of two different realities that are like Earth-616 and Earth-1610. I agree with ADour's analogy, it doesn't make sense if you take taking a bunch of people from France and a buch of people from Spain and mixing them together doesn't make them from "Spance."

Besides, if these characters are fake versions of those of Earth-1610 and Earth-616, how come there's not even a fake version of the Maker, or a fake version of the Thor Odinsons of Earth-1610 and Earth-616? And how come there is no version of Spider-Girl (Arana) in the Kingdom of Manhattan? That is because they are the true versions of themselves. The Maker survived the incursion of both realities, and Thor and Spider-Girl ended up in Doomgard and Arachnia respectively.

We have seen Doom use his omnipotent power to destroy entire domains (via the Thor Corps) and change reality with a snap of his fingers (as seen in New Attlian) throught the Secret Wars titles. Battleworld does not operate like the Multiverse because Battleworld is only a patchwork planet composed of the remains of realities, while the Multiverse is collection of alternate universes which share a universal hierarchy. The Map of Battleworld even lists these two parts of the Kingdom of Manhattan as 20b. Manhattan-Earth-616 and 20c. Manhattan-Earth-1610. Even Miles Morales says in Ultimate End #5, "This is not the way the world is supposed to be. this wasn't the way the world was created. This -- this is a patchwork quilt of madness so madness can rule over it. The world you are living in now -- it was constructed using cosmic forces way beyond us. This isn't what New York is. Our dimensions were -- they were thrown on top of each other on purpose. We didn't do this. Man didn't do this. This was done to us. This is a zoo. A prison. This is a circus of -- terror and confusion built specifically to torture and punish everyone who has ever crossed its maker. And the real punishment is: ignorance. You would know if the world was ever different. You -- you were all put here to specifically to beat each other... to stomp on each other... to murder each other. Everyone here... We, all of us, have one enemy in common and he finally found a way to get at all of us. Miles here is acknowledging that this mixed domain is indeed the remains of his own native reality and Earth-616. If he said, "Your dimensions...", then we can accept that these two domains were composed of realities that were a variant. But he said, "Our dimensions..."

Even the writers of Ultimate End acknowledged that they were going to end the Ultimate Universe throughout this event. Even the Solicit Synoposis for each of the issues says something that confirms tha that 20b is indeed Earth-1610's remains. For example, in issue #1:

• MILES MORALES and the rest of the heroes of the ULTIMATE U face final extinction

• As the end of their world becomes inevitable, will the heroes’ heartbreaking sacrifices make any difference?

• The dramatic end of an era begins here!

Then in Issue #5,

ULTIMATE NO MORE!

• 2000 – 2015

And also, if these 20b characters wee not Earth-1610, why haven't the real characters from Earth-1610 have shown up besides Miles Morales, the Maker, Ganke Lee, Bombshell, and Miles' parents? A more likely explanation is that they were killed during the events of Ultimate End.