Board Thread:Administrative/@comment-1713281-20121209010037/@comment-61022-20121209172202

I think you're missing the point. You're comparing a well known commercial property, not owned by Marvel, with a wealth of information available elsewhere on a wiki that specializes in that commercial property to a character which I agree is a minor character in the grand scheme of things -- is still owned by Marvel Comics, they could bring the character back at any time without any legal problems. Ergo, I would say that yes even a minor character such as a cowboy who meets the Two-Gun Kid would be more relevant to this wiki than John Carter. When Marvel is resurrecting one off characters like Flexo and Taxi Taylor, I would say that that random cowboy from Two-Gun Kid, or that Nazi commander with the funny name who fought Sub-Mariner have all the more relevance than a character that Marvel does not specifically own.

There is a major difference between a commercial property and a Marvel owned character (no matter how minor) and that is ownership rights.

You are also completely ignoring my counter arguments: Star Trek, and the Justice League. Which is a perfectly good counter argument to you wanting to include Dr. Who and John Carter to the site. You haven't even commented on why you insist on these characters being included on the Wiki when the material is found elsewhere on Wikia.

By your logic, we should be creating pages for those characters am I right? They're not Marvel owned characters, but they've been in Marvel books, so lets create profiles for James T. Kirk because Marvel published a Star Trek comic book, and also published one where he meets Wolverine.

I am not saying the information is irrelevant, I am saying that there are other places on Wikia that specializes on those subjects.

I also seem to think that your argument is not impartial. It's incredibly insistent on specific material (IE: Dr. Who and John Carter). I assume you are a fan of both, and while yes, they are great franchises... Would you champion your argument for Star Wars characters? How about the cast of Muppet Babies? the Hanna Barbara characters? Care to chime in on your opinions about commercial properties that you don't have a personal interest in? Would you be interested in creating profiles for all the Care Bears and the Getalong Gang because they had comics published through Marvel's Star Comics imprint? Should Heathcliff or Alf be added to the Wiki?

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, I am pointing out a much larger picture. When it comes to properties not owned by Marvel there should be limitations on what we can add.

You also haven't commented on my other point: The fact that other Wikis exist that already cover this information.

Why are we going to write about John Carter characters when there is already a Wiki out there covering it? Why write a profile about Captain Kirk when the Star Trek Wiki exists? Star Wars has Wookiepedia.

Why duplicate work that already exists in other words? Why focus on something that has already been well documented on another Wiki when there are so many other things on this Wiki that are completely owned by Marvel that could use attention/updating/adding.

In addition, I don't think you're considering the collateral damage the allowance of these characters would create: Namely people thinking that if creating profiles about the John Carter is okay, then it's okay to create profiles for stuff that didn't appear in a Marvel Comic book. Why not, right?

Better examples: Transformers -- Recently IDW decided to continue the original Generation 1 comic book from where Marvel left the series off. Same material, not published by Marvel. Same thing with Star Trek --- Marvel owned the rights twice (in the late 60s/Early 70s and later in the mid 90s) It has also had books published by DC, Malibu, and now IDW.