Thread:Shabook/@comment-3406131-20160218193832/@comment-112155-20160307004218

Mrkermit wrote: Shabook wrote: The "conditions" I've been using so far were, in this order: I like that list as a guideline for not creating a page. I must clarify that I applied those conditions only for human beings, as other races often have a single (and many times unique) first name. However, not having a full name is not a requirement for an article not deserving a page. There a lot of "Mr." and "Mrs.", for example, that are more than worthy of having a page. Another clarification is that with physical appearance I meant, basically, hair and eye color.
 * 1) No full name
 * 2) Single appearance, or maybe two consecutive or equally minor appearances.
 * 3) No specific data in the article other than their physical appearance and their membership.

Summarizing, these conditions have been met by the characters that were moved to the lists, but that doesn't mean at all that all the characters that meet them need to be moved to a list.

Undoniel wrote:
 * The "No specific data in the article other than their physical appearance and their membership" have to be thought regarding the species also or not ? (a common Skrull can go under "Skrulls", "Skrull Empire" or his team (if we know which), or has automatically a page, and only regular common american human go on those lists ?

So far I have only checked articles for Locations and Organizations, (I've checked every one of them and there are a few remaining, but I have written them down to do it during Easter), and only humans apppeared there. The only exception that comes to my mind is Molly (Leprechaun) (Earth-616), that was unique enough despite having only a first name, and she deserved her own article.

I still have to check articles about teams and races. So far the only one I checked is the Inhumans article (a personal favorite), after having read AnnabellRice's thread about cleaning the links to the main Inhumans page. I created the articles for the minor Inhumans that appeared there, cleaning the links in the process, and these characters were unique enough and deserved their own page.

I also remember creating the articles Emperor Merkra (Earth-616), Empress Merkra (Earth-616) and Merkra Child(ren) (Earth-616) as I came across them while fixing another article, and I created them because, despite they could be considered minor, their status as the only known members of their race (and being their rulers) also make them unique enough.

Preliminarily, I'd say that those lists should be applied only for human beings, and characters from other chacrace could have their own article, but I won't be 100% sure until checking all articles in the Races category.

Undoniel wrote:
 * I'm a little surprised on the "full name". An irrelevant full-named character should automatically have a page ? (question apply to aliens, whose full name isn't often used...)

About the full name feature, characters given both first and last name make them, IMHO, unique enough. And that's one of the guidelines ADour agreed when we first discussed about this topic. I have also read somewhere that Spencerz thinks exactly the same. For aliens, as I said above, their names tend to be unique enough despite not having a full name. I don't think we will have aliens simply named "John", "Michael", "Smith" or "Thompson"...

It is also a very easy and effective way of not crowding too much articles lists like New York City/Residents or Manhattan/Residents, that are already long enough with characters not having a full name.

Undoniel wrote: And Shabook: Yes, it's pretty hard to make things move, but step by step. I've ideas who are still in projects since I joined the wikia, because having the motivation, the time and the skills of enough people at the same point is pretty impossible. It's worst when nobody even discuss the ideas and problems.

I get that, in a wiki as big as this one, major changes must be thought very carefully before being applied, but perhaps having a deadline, or simply voting when there are two conflicting trends of opinion where nobody will be able to convince the rest about their options, with a vote among admins, or perhaps opened to regular and active users depending on each case.

For example, the current discussions about changing the whole naming conventions of the wiki started, if I'm not mistaken, while talking about clones. Wouldn't it be better to make a decision about clones, and then formally acknowledge that decission (despite its appliance may be put on hold while the bigger discussion regarding the naming conventions goes on). Focusing on something before moving to another thing would help solve some all of them sooner.

Another example, the Races and Species section I proposed, it looked like everyone agreed with it, but when an admin asked another one to run a bot to easily add it in the 44000 current comics pages, as doing it manually would be insane, nothing happened...

But I think maybe I digress too much, time to go to sleep...