Thread:Nausiated/@comment-32978104-20171031220110/@comment-61022-20171102025119

Okay, so a few things on that:

1) The Ulysses Klaw origin is different because one is told by T'Challa, the other is told by Klaw. You can assume that Klaw is playing up his involvement. It's about context. He was trying to impress the people he was talking to. Whereas, T'Challa's version of events would be very embarrassing to retell if you were Klaw. It's all a matter of the perspective of the person telling the story. When we recount events in our lives we don't always tell an accurate recounting of events. How would this be any different with Klaw?

2) Deadpool frequently tells different origin stories because his memories are mixed up. In fact, writers have made a point of coming up with conflicting backstories. There are four or five last I checked.

3) The Iron Man origin is subject to the Sliding Timescale. The Afganistan version of the story also completely conflicts with other items established around Iron Man's origins that set it in Asia, if not Vietnam itself. I'd also point out that the Marvel Universe is moving away from modern age characters participating in the Vietnam War, instead involved in a fictional conflict in that region. I should also point out that geographically speaking, Afganistan is a little over 2000 km away from South East Asia. Considering modern travel, that's not exactly a huge stretch for a location. Even then, Al-Queda also operates in South East Asia as well. Which you would know if you knew anything about geopolitics and geography. But again, the Timescale comes into play here. The conflict, who the enemy was, and the region is all topical. The war on terror is already 17 years old. The next time they tell Iron Man's origins they'll probably change the window dressing again.

4) I've read Brovoort's comments, and I am quite sure that Brevoort is also misinterpreting the scene. Actually look at a comic instead of regurgitating what he said. It's Sue talking about how she fell in love with Reed at first site. Reed is not eyeing Sue or making any inappropriate comments, or advances. He looks uncomfortable that Sue is showing interest in him. I think that Brevoort is seeing something that isn't there. That also doesn't change the idea that Reed roomed with Sue's aunt while Sue was still a teenager. What matters, and what has always been a constant in any backstory regarding their relationship is that they met, but a romance didn't start until Sue was college age. And again, as someone who has actually read every Fantastic Four story that has seen print, whenever they talk about Sue being a teenager and meeting Reed, it's always about how SHE had a crush on HIM. They never go anywhere near Reed's thoughts on the matter. Any time Reed recounts their romance he talks about how they started their romance in college.

Again, Marvel does not do any flat out retcons. They expand on previously existing events (Examples: Spider-Man: With Great Power, and Amazing Spider-Man Vol 3 #1.whatever) or events are told from a different perspective.

A retcon is creating something that creates an impossibility. For example, the pre-and-post Crisis origins for Superman. You can't have both origin stories.

Compare that to Spider-Man: There are almost 20 stories that add to Spider-Man's origins. They don't erase any of the facts. The inconsistencies are trivial (Example: One story states he made his costume first then his web-shooters, another plays it the other way around). These retellings and expansions do not eliminate the events of Amazing Fantasy #15. Anything else is dated references that again, are topical references and subject to the sliding timescale.

At any rate, the expanded history pages are supposed to tell it all ways and explain contradictions, changes, "retcons" (if you insist on calling them that)

You'll note that is the case with the expanded history page. Nothing is left out. The general information is there and the variations are put into the footnotes. When there are conflicting reports, both are referenced.

So the Sue Richards profile isn't going to be any different, nor is the Reed Richards profile.

When it comes to the Marvel Universe, you cannot take anything a character says at face value or literally. You have to make allowances for characters telling a version of the truth to suit their motivations or perspective. Using the Klaw/Black Panther origin story, if you lived in the Marvel Universe would you believe T'Challa's version of events or Klaw's? It depends on who you like better, right? Kind of like real life.