Thread:Nausiated/@comment-3406131-20161122175750/@comment-61022-20170622174445

Another thing to point out is that Baron Strucker also used body doubles as well, as seen in -.

However, as far as the Hail Hydra series goes, I think it's safe to assume that this is not the real Strucker, but an LMD or body double.

As for if it can be considered cannon or not, that is a matter of opinion. The Chronology Project is semi-official in the same way as the Unofficial Appendix is. I find that the lines are getting blurred a bit.

Examples:

Adventures of Captain America was long said to be not part of continuity. However, - featured Saurespritze as the primary villain in flashbacks. Also, Cynthia Glass (who also appeared in Adventures of Captain America) later appeared in -.

They also say that the vast majority of X-Men First Class (and related titles) are not part of continuity either. However, is considered cannon because it is referenced in "modern" X-Men stories that were published around the same time. If issue #8 can be slotted into continuity, so can the rest of the series (in fact, someone over on the Chronology Project did the leg work on how it could, although it's not generally accepted)

They are also quite wishy-washy with what does and does not constitute as continuity. Jeph Loeb's "colors" series (Hulk Grey, Captain America White etc) are considered cannon but they stray away from slotting in the flashback portions. They consider Namor Vol 1 as cannon (even though it doesn't really fit Namor's chronology during that period of time unless you squint a little) yet, they don't consider Thor: First Thunder Vol 1 as cannon, even though that fits Thor's chronology much better. Another example is Avengers: The Origin Vol 1 is also considered canon even though there are a number of differences between it and.

Another example is which has many contridictions to established continuity, yet it's considered cannon. Then there's the issue with S.H.I.E.L.D. now existing as early as 1966.

Usually, a lot of gray area stories are modern retellings of origins where certain facts and details are updated with the times (Example: The Teen Brigade use Ham Radios in Avengers #1, whereas in "The Origin" they are hackers)

Then there's the issue of the change in the Black Panther's origin from his first appearance and Black Panther Vol 4. However, I'd argue that the "change" in the origin story is a matter of WHO is telling the story. The original origin in Fantastic Four #54 was told by T'Challa, while the origin told in Black Panther Vol 4 #3 was told by Klaw. One thing to note is that Klaw makes himself sound even more menacing that in the Black Panther's recounting of events. Klaw isn't exactly altruistic so I wouldn't be surprised if he made it up to make himself sound more impressive.

Frankly, the way I look at it is this: If you can take a story and fit it into continuity without too much of a stretch. Especially since Marvel appears to be referencing events in these "gray area" stories later (sometimes it takes decades)

I would say that we should do the following:

If you can slot a story of questionable canonicity then certainly do it, but identify that it may not be considered cannon. Specify the Chronology Project (or applicable Marvel Index) lists it as non-cannon, but that status could change.

At the end of the day, if you can provide a decent explanation in the reference tag, I'd allow it.