Thread:Nausiated/@comment-3406131-20161122175750/@comment-3406131-20170602013720

My bad, feudal Hand, sorry.

I still haven't Hand and Hydra relation for now.

My guess is currently (to put it in few words and as clearly as possible, with all group involved): ============ Cosmic cube alteration ================== ============ Kobik alteration ==================
 * Ancient Order of Hydra (Ancient-Hydra) birthed at least around 4000 BC, possibly from or influenced by the Hand active since 4 Ga years ago (First-Hand) with the Sickly Ones
 * The Nail formed thousand years ago
 * The Spear formed around 2700 years ago at the beginning of the Third Dynasty
 * Ancient-Hydra start being mentioned in records during the Third Dynasty
 * Ancient-Hydra infiltrate the Qin Dynasty
 * Newton form Hydra (Hydra-Spear) from the Spear (corruption of the East)
 * Hand of 800 years ago (Hand-1200) arose and become corrupted
 * Possibly by First-Hand/Snakeroot
 * Ancient-Hydra are known as the Cathari
 * Ancient-Hydra infiltrate the Inquisition
 * The Hand of 1590 (Hand-1590) arose and become corrupted
 * Possibly by First-Hand/Snakeroot
 * Ancient-Hydra cease to appear in records after the Renaissance (but keep acting)
 * Ancient-Hydra became known as the Ariosophist, the Wotanists, the Black Order, the Sons of Anubis, the Seven Kings, the Green and the Red Societies, then the Thule Society => Hydra-Thule
 * Hydra-Spear (Fehnoff, Kraken, Elisa Sinclair, Zemo) is in contact with Hydra-Thule (Geist, Strucker, Red Skull) about Hitler, through Elisa Sinclair's connections. They both infiltrate the Third Reich
 * Hydra-Thule mock power-hungry-madman-Hitler and exploit the Reich for plundering knowledge while Hydra-Spear is enthusiastic (except Elisa who despise power-hungry-madman-Hitler), seeing him as a savior.
 * They also manipulate Imperial Japan and Fascist Italy
 * Hydra-Spear is corrupted by Red Skull (Hydra-Thule), dismantled/taken over by him
 * Possible origin of Hydra-Nazi (continuation of both Hydra-Spear and Hydra-Thule)
 * Hydra-Modern (continuation of Hydra Nazi) form/reform from Third Reich and Imperial Japan
 * Hydra-Modern' appear as Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof Gang, the German People's Union, Der Republikaners and Neo-Nazis
 * Elsbeth join Hydra-Modern and bring her Sickly Ones mythos in the game
 * Strucker joins the Hand-Modern (continuation of Hand-1590)
 * Strucker and Soma are invited in the Zodiac Great Wheel at Pieta, either or both as member(s) of the Spear (Hydra-Modern?)
 * Strucker form/reform Hydra-Modern using parts of the Hand-Modern after Pieta
 * I've read that but I don't know where to find the original material and haven't added it to the Spear's page.
 * Kraken (now part of Hydra-Modern) met Gorgon and gave him the Godkiller
 * Gorgon come to Hand-Modern, eventually lead them
 * Hand-Modern and Hydra-Modern ally for a time
 * Gorgon leave Hand-Modern (who's to be led by Elektra) to lead Hydra-Modern
 * Captain America rejoins Hydra-Modern under Red Skull.
 * Elisa Sinclair return. She gather back the Hydra-Spear aspect of Hydra. Steve Rogers kill the Red Skull and dismiss the Hydra-Nazi/Hydra Thule aspect of Hydra, then take over the USA.

Just to keep it clearer than I could,
 * Ancient-Hydra = Hydra-Thule = Hydra-Nazi = Hydra-Modern
 * Spear = Hydra-Spear = Hydra-Nazi = Hydra-Modern
 * and Hydra-Modern = Hydra-Spear currently
 * Hand-1590 = Hand-Modern

That suppose some organizations existed with the same main name at the same time, with related or possibly not related origins (in this case, that would assume some kind of merger). And that's considering comics writers actually read what their colleagues on a subject. Because the multiple origins of Hydra-Modern are a mess.

So my guess to click the pieces of the puzzle are Elisa (ancient sorceress), Snakeroot (link between the Sickly Ones and the Hand ?)

Any news on the Ancien Order of the Shield ? (IIRC you had mentioned it somewhere)