Thread:Grimdominatrix/@comment-3406131-20140323064724/@comment-24290620-20150110214037

geez, im not even sure where to start... you have a lot of misunderstandings of trans stuff here.

first of all, transsexual means the same thing as transgender, so theyre interchangeable terms, but most people in the trans community go with transgender.

second, since trans stuff exists in the real world, i dont think putting it in the same category with transformation type stuff is really appropriate. it would be like if there was an alien species who were all male, and you put them all in the gay characters category. to them, it's the norm, and it's not what people are looking for in the gay category, it would be very messy. see what i mean?

transgender characters would include anyone who is not cisgender, so that means genderfluid characters and, if there were any applicable, agender characters. the reason i didnt include agender characters in the transgender category before is because theyre almost all robots or beings like the symbiote and i dont feel those really apply. gender transformed characters are not necessarily trans because of the reasons i specified before, and if they were trans, i think it would be fair to just tag them as transgender.

the reason i mentioned xavin is because they are a special case in a lot of ways. what i mentioned earlier about a hypothetical alien species being inappropriate for the gay category is because to them it's the norm, but what xavin says in runaways is that they are NOT the norm in skrull society. their parents wanted them to be a prince, but they want to be a princess too, their gender identity changes, unlike other skrulls. this makes xavin a true transgender character, since that's a feeling a lot of real-world people share, and it's definitely not the norm in our society.

now, your list: female is not vagina and boobs, male is not penis and beard, these are ridiculous ways to categorize people. the better way to go is to see how they identify. xavin identifies as genderfluid, so we put genderfluid. even if they werent a shapeshifter, xavin would be genderfluid. you just changed the jessie drake page to male, for example, but that's not right. jessie SAYS she is a girl, so that's what we should go with. some characters there's an assumed gender you can go with, because that character is cisgender, but otherwise it's best to go with what the character says, and not what you see.

here is my recommendation of the categories. keep transgender as it is, featuring trans characters in real-world terms, including non-binary characters. female and male would feature both female and male cisgender characters as well as trans characters (so jessie drake would be found in the female category). genderfluid would remain a subcategory of transgender, and if there's ever an appropriate agender character we'll come back to that problem, but as it is they all seem to be robots and symbiotes and stuff like that. (if that ever does happen though, i recommend changing "agender characters" to "genderless beings" and then making "agender characters" the more normal characters.) male/female characters remains what it is, largely shared bodies, and finally, gender transformed remains the fantastical transformation types. overlap could be considered, if a character who identified as another gender than they were assigned uses an actual transformation to get there, then you could use that, but it would not be INSTEAD of being transgender, but in addition.