Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-61022-20160330220251/@comment-61022-20160331200003

On Tom Brevoort saying whatever, it is as I have said a number of times before: What a Marvel staffer says during interviews (particularly for hype) should never be accepted as fact. Ultimately it's the editorial opinion that matters. Meaning, whatever is stated in a Marvel Handbook published after the fact should always accepted as fact.

If you're going to contribute items pertaining to a plot or character profile, unless it's said in story -- or later in a handbook -- we should toss out that explanation as it is not valid. In other words, stop taking someone like Tom Brevoort's words (or Al Ewig, or Peter David, or whoever) as gospel until it's said in story or explained in a handbook. Most times it's not entirely accurate. What a creative team intends doesn't always equates what will actually happen with a character.

Also just read the entire Battleworld entry.. it's pretty clear on the events of Ultimate End: These are variants of Earth-616 and Earth-1610 that were merged, not the original realities. The merging of those two realities was NOT the Incursion but the Tony Starks mutual portal devices. That said, so things are clear we should classify all the characters under the merged reality number. As for how they should be characterized something *simplistic* that requires *less typing* should be used to categorize these characters. Since they are based on 616 and 1610 characters I suggest we label them as Tony Stark (616) (Earth-61610) and Tony Stark (1610) (Earth-61610).

As for the other realities and if certain characters here-or-there are from other previously established realities, the entry is very specific on this point in the final note, which reads:

"Additionally, the notations are for these domains' specific reality variations, not any previous existing realities of which they are based on."

Meaning, unless it says "Earth-### or Variant" all of the characters who are identified as living in a given domain belong to that specific reality #.

So for example, since people keep going back to this one, the Dystopia story. No that's not the previously established Ruby Summers, or Maestro, or anyone. It's a unique reality.

So unless a later story comes up where the original Ruby Summers pops up and recalls something that happened on Battleworld, we should assume that it's an imprinted character (kind of like House of M, as I've explained multiple times) so we maintain a separate profile for the Battleworld version and then add a mention in the original's profile, but we only do that WHEN such facts can be identified. We shouldn't assume it.

Do we still call it Earth-616 or the Prime Reality?

This is a question that has come up.

The DC Wikia has become a mess after years of reboots and people lumping Earth-One/New Earth/Prime Earth stuff into separate profiles. When Convergence happened and restored this multiverse they basically shot themselves in the foot and made their entire Wiki a disorganized mess.

Studying what we have already right now, the only thing I can see that's different here is that Earth-616 is indeed moving forward. The only thing different about it is that there are characters from other realities that are moving around on it. There is no indication that their home realities have been eliminated or no longer exist. Characters like Red Wolf, and Miles Morales and so on exist on Earth-616 and still retain memories of their old realities.

Also the intent is different: DC eliminated their multiverse, then rebooted their singular reality twice, then created a new multiverse, then rebooted that, then brought back all realities.

Versus Secret Wars: All intents and purposes, Mister Fantastic's intention is restoring the multiverse back to the status quo with the help of Franklin. They're human, they're flawed, so it hasn't been perfect which is why you see characters from other realities on Earth-616. But the whole point is that Reed wanted to restore his universe as best he could. So far as I can say this "Prime Reality" stuff is just Earth-616. The only thing they're doing is saying "This is the main reality" and they certainly not dumping the reality indexes or reinventing them (otherwise that would have been scrapped in this handbook). As much as the writing staff claim to not like reality indexes, from an editorial standpoint they are entrenched in the Marvel mythos and fans are continuity driven. So like it or hate it, they're stuck with it.

I see only two sticking points here:

(1) Miles Morales having a life established on Earth-616. It's clear that this is 1610 Miles (until otherwise stated) we just have to wait for them to explain how he suddenly has a life on Earth-616, although saying Reed Richards created a past life on Earth-616 for him when he restored that reality.

(2) Captain America 2099 is from Battleworld. Thus so far as can be ascertained she is not from Earth-928. The handbook clearly states that she exists on Earth-23291. In the current run of Spider-Man 2099 Miguel O'Hara remembers her. This raises some questions. I have read nearly every 2099 story and there is no such character in those old comics. So unless they do a flashback of the character we cannot assume she's from Earth-928 and probably the version from Battleworld. That said, how do you explain Miguel's recollection of her? *Perhaps* Miguel has memories of Battleworld. That said, we should still have separate profiles: One for the Battleworld Miguel Stone (because he existed prior to Secret Wars given that there is a reality index, and it presumably exists after Secret Wars) and possibly a mention of Miguel retaining memories. Fact is Roberta Mendez comes from Earth-23291, not Earth-928 (So however changed the name on that profile was incorrect to do so) HOWEVER, until that's been explained we should no assume how they know each other at this present time. A comment about how they somehow know each other (and the reasons thereof are as yet unexplained) should be what we enter into the respective profiles.