Him having history with Wakanda would be cool, but most this I personally wouldn't care for because it retcons too much and takes too much away from BP & Wakanda. But that's just my taste🤷🏾‍♂️.

@BashengaTheFirst I wouldn't say it retcons anything really, in the Avengers BC stuff it was already on earth a millions years ago, before Bashenga found it a generation or more ago. The meteor he say could have just been a rock that crashed down exposing the Vibranium. The Mayan thing might have to be cut out, depending on how far back Bashenga goes, but if not far enough then Crule could have ended up on what is now Madripoor? Black Panther, him losing to Crule isn't taking away from him as for Wakanda and BP it would have to be done the right as to take nothing away. 😊

You see the thing is the 1mil BC stuff already retcons a few things, and adding to it just further makes retcons as it's already doing the more Jason Aaron keeps expanding it.

Further, Vibranium is stated to have come AFTER Wakanda was already being established as a nation, not before. Too the Vibranium Mound is heralded as a gift from Bast, and Wakanda are supposed to be the first people to have ever discovered the metal. Having Crule find Vibranium first, and establishing the Hyena clan would make Wakanda look like thieves and liars- a light theyve already been placed in enough thanks to his latest 2 series.

Now if you wanted to say Crule fought Wakanda for possession of Vibranium and hated the Panther & Nation ever since they started fighting, and has comeback to destroy them, THEN that's a good idea- I dont mind Crule being a villain of Panther's & Wakanda. He'd be a great addition to their mythos.

@BashengaTheFirst From what I've read the Vibranium crashed into the land that would later become Wakanda 10,000 years ago? Everything I've read says or hints that the formation of Wakanda came later?

The Hyena Clan was inspired by him formed later on, I kind like them so I wouldn't mind them being added either inspired by him or they just started running amok in Wakanda.

So they would have seen it as a gift from the Gods though it turned some of their people into those Demon Spirits, and he could have found it first but its not like they would have known. Or it could be he found a piece of it (enough to make his gauntlets, cause I love that idea), and since sadly its been retcon it was already there so a meteor hitting the spot exposing it could work. So that would keep their believe it was a gifted, and could say since Crule found a piece and going around Africa doing whatever he liked he felt it all belonged to him.

So Crule came to take it like his done with everything else but since Bashenga united the tribes against the Demon Spirits, turned them against this unkillable purple skinned demon. And shipped him off where he ended up among the Mayans? This would give him reason to hate the Panther and Wakanda.

Agree adding Crule as a villian would be a great addition.

It was a quick thought and again it would have to be done right so it works.

"From what I've read the Vibranium crashed into the land that would later become Wakanda 10,000 years ago? Everything I've read says or hints that the formation of Wakanda came later?"

Originally, before the retcon, Wakanda was established 10k years ago, and Vibranium came after The people of Wakanda were already in the land, beginning to form a Nation- this is seen in a few comics: BPv1#7, BPv6#19 & 20-

As you can see there are people already there in the land- they are shown to be the first to have & found Vibranium. Yes, Bashenga is the first to become the Black Panther after Vibranium's arrival; and yes, Wakanda becomes a full nation after it comes- but the early tribes were already there forming a nation prior, in fact BPvol6 establishes they were fully formed before.

The recent retcon has placed the 1st Black Panther in 1mil BC- but there has been no mention of Vibranium being there.... yet. The Vibranium is no doubt in the 1mil BC now too. Overall, Wakandans were there before the arrival of Vibranium.

"The Hyena Clan was inspired by him formed later on, I kind like them so I wouldn't mind them being added either inspired by him or they just started running amok in Wakanda."

Again my issue is with the former part- having the Hyena Clan be created or inspired by Crule. I really don't mind the thought or idea that the Hyena Clan caused havoc in Wakanda and even allied with Crule at one point to battle with Wakanda. That's a good idea. I just dont want them being formed because of him.

The identity of The 1mil BC Panther has not yet been revealed, it could still very well be Bashenga. We dont know for sure. Many assume that they are not the same person, not realizing that the retcon could simply just be changing the time, not the person.

I'm telling you your view of when The Vibranium came to Earth and the formation of Wakanda is wrong. Panther's mythos has directly said that the nation was established before Vibranium arrived. The retcon may only be changing the time, 1mil BC instead of 10k years ago. If there was a Black Panther 1milBC, then there was a Wakanda. There can't be a Black Panther but no Wakanda, otherwords what is the purpose of the Black Panther. If you think that's what the retcon is saying, then you could be misunderstanding a few things...

However I could be wrong aswell, considering there is still little information and unanswered questions. But given what comics have shown...I believe the 1mil BC Panther could be Bashenga, and even if it's not, the fact that there is a Black Panther means that there is also a Wakanda- this retcon has to still be in line with the purpose of a Black Panther.

@BashengaTheFirst From what I've seen the BC Panther is that of the Panther Tribe, no mention of Wakanda and do to the retcon Bashenga is know the second to become the Black Panther. What I've seen there is no hint that their pushing Bashenga's history a million years back yet, so until then its safe to say they are not the same person. And there could have been a prehistoric Wakanda but that doesn't mean it was still standing after that age (given what the Celestials did) or 10,000 years ago. Those pics you showed doesn't say they were a nation, just a tribe that found it and from what I've read the Nation of Wakanda came after. Whether they were building it or not I don't recall that and if I'm wrong then cool. All I recall is there was only tribes no Nation (again could have been in the works but not there yet?) that Banshenga/Panther tribe found the Vibranium, the Demon Spirits come of that, he become the PB and united the tribes. The Nation of Wakanda was born or maybe finally fully realized.

Again if I'm wrong then cool, I'm not gonna put up a fight about it.

A good way to avoid it is like I said, 10,000 years ago a meteor it, Vibranium was found, Crule found a large piece that flow off from where it crash, T'Challa's family as well as Wakanda as a whole prospered from the metal and make no mention of what came first.

At the end of the day we agree that it would be cool to see Crule battle Panther & Wakanda so great idea😊👍🏾

@BashengaTheFirst Thanks and thank you for pushing me to think more on it.

It was just a quick thought of Crule, during possibly his earliest history (10,000yrs ago, Hyborian Age) being connected to BP and Wakanda's, leading to the present. I just figured if this was ever to happen 🤞🤞 that those working on it would hopefully research the source material to make sure the info is spot on.

My knowledge of Wakanda is descant and this has refreshed what I've forgotten, and I'm learning some new things 🙂 Thank you.