Scarlet Witch!
https://marvel.fandom.com/Wanda_Maximoff_(Earth-616)
VS
Doctor Fate!
https://dc.fandom.com/Kent_Nelson_(New_Earth)
Normal equipment!
Nexus of Realities (Earth-1610)!
Victory via K.O./Kill/Incapacitation!
Scarlet Witch!
https://marvel.fandom.com/Wanda_Maximoff_(Earth-616)
VS
Doctor Fate!
https://dc.fandom.com/Kent_Nelson_(New_Earth)
Normal equipment!
Nexus of Realities (Earth-1610)!
Victory via K.O./Kill/Incapacitation!
@BashengaTheFirst HOM exists as a story because of what Wanda did to the 616 universe. Not even Strange managed to perceive the change. This was an entire universe created on Wanda's whim, due to being mildly unbalanced, to include resurrecting someone she had killed.
Then there is the altering reality with the "No more mutants" phrase. We could also think about how she was the more experienced half of the dynamic duo who dissapated the Phoenix Force.
I think I was being nice saying it would be a draw.
Yeah but again, that wasn't actually much of Wanda doing the house of M hex. it was revealed in Avengers: children's crusade that it was the life force. Doctor doom later took the life force and bragged he could easily do the same thing. Most of what happened there was because of the Life Force, not Wanda herself
...And the scattering of the "Phoenix Force"?
Whenever a writer comes up with these bullshit retcons, I lose a little more Faith in the stories and excuses they come up with.
@BashengaTheFirst as a fan of Black Panther you know as well as I do characters power depends on who writes them. End of the day having done something once still counts... Like say Panther defeating Namor?
Soo....
1) Still didn't deny that Wanda only did such a feat once, and years ago.
2) Still didn't highlight or prove if she used that type of power unassisted (that it was her own power that allowed her to do such).
3) Still haven't offered much proof that she could do it again, and would use it offensively or defensively in this fight.
4) Her showing against the Phoenix Force, as you highlighted, was assisted. Which doesn't equal or surpass Fate's showing of going up against Specter solo.
With all that in mind, I respect your opinion, but I remain unconvinced.
Did the events occur? We're they impressive? Spectre is above Phoenix at the same level, or below it?
Was her attempt more successful than Fate's battle? Has she done anything as impressive as Avengers Disassembled, or Avengers Unity, or even her current showings in Avengers, or previous reality shaping in Atlantis Attacks?
This is enchanting, but this is an old enough post. Opinions have been stated, let's move on.
She warped reality in Atlantis? Whoa!
It wouldve been nice, if you knew this, to have offered such evidence earlier in the conversation if you wanted to show that Wanda can copy a reality warping feat.
Also.... Lastly....
I like to go by what is repeatedly shown, or shown more than once when discussing battles.
Yes, we all know every character is subject to different writers discretion and interpretation. Because of such, every character has inconsistent showings. Because of such, I try not to pick and choose which feats to believe in or not, and which to dismiss, in a fictional world with no set rules. I accept all feats of every character. What I try to find is consistency in the inconsistent universe. I do that by following what is regularly shown, or what is shown more than once. I find that to be fair/reasonable.
With that being said, as I said earlier, Scarlet Witch's HOM feats gives testament to her power. Her doing it once is NOT to be overlooked, and I do not dismiss it. I am saying, because it happened only once, I cannot fully use it as my sole argument or reason for why she may win in certain battles. Now if she has done such a feat more than once, and you have proof... please show it. As said I'm open to being proven wrong in my view.
Scattering the phoenix force was done in cooperation with hope ultimately. She probably wouldnt have been able to do it without her
In Atlantis Attacks, Infinity War it was a group effort against Set, seems unfair... But Avengers Disassembled where she soloed an entire team? You are correct that should be counted. Twisting reality to custom design, yeah, that isn't something she has been doing since the 60s is it?
Once again, enough discussion for things that are going to change no opinion.
I liked Galactus as the Seeder of Worlds, but that doesn't mean he was more powerful than before.
@Slyme quin it would be more correct to say Hope did this only because of Wanda's chaos magic she was copying, wouldn't it? Hope didn't have any access to Chaos magic without her, did she?
Hope was the host of the phoenix force when they scattered the phoenix force. It worked because they both undid the spell together as two halves of the equation. As the event explained, chaos magic is oppositional tot he phoenix force. Thus they were both necessary in scattering the phoenix.
Even as so, wanda would have been unable to do it herself. If she could have she would have throughout the event. Its why the whole event pointed to Hope being the sollution, because wanda couldnt do it herself
What do you think?