Scarlet Witch!
https://marvel.fandom.com/Wanda_Maximoff_(Earth-616)
VS
Doctor Fate!
https://dc.fandom.com/Kent_Nelson_(New_Earth)
Normal equipment!
Nexus of Realities (Earth-1610)!
Victory via K.O./Kill/Incapacitation!
Scarlet Witch!
https://marvel.fandom.com/Wanda_Maximoff_(Earth-616)
VS
Doctor Fate!
https://dc.fandom.com/Kent_Nelson_(New_Earth)
Normal equipment!
Nexus of Realities (Earth-1610)!
Victory via K.O./Kill/Incapacitation!
Did the events occur? We're they impressive? Spectre is above Phoenix at the same level, or below it?
Was her attempt more successful than Fate's battle? Has she done anything as impressive as Avengers Disassembled, or Avengers Unity, or even her current showings in Avengers, or previous reality shaping in Atlantis Attacks?
This is enchanting, but this is an old enough post. Opinions have been stated, let's move on.
She warped reality in Atlantis? Whoa!
It wouldve been nice, if you knew this, to have offered such evidence earlier in the conversation if you wanted to show that Wanda can copy a reality warping feat.
Also.... Lastly....
I like to go by what is repeatedly shown, or shown more than once when discussing battles.
Yes, we all know every character is subject to different writers discretion and interpretation. Because of such, every character has inconsistent showings. Because of such, I try not to pick and choose which feats to believe in or not, and which to dismiss, in a fictional world with no set rules. I accept all feats of every character. What I try to find is consistency in the inconsistent universe. I do that by following what is regularly shown, or what is shown more than once. I find that to be fair/reasonable.
With that being said, as I said earlier, Scarlet Witch's HOM feats gives testament to her power. Her doing it once is NOT to be overlooked, and I do not dismiss it. I am saying, because it happened only once, I cannot fully use it as my sole argument or reason for why she may win in certain battles. Now if she has done such a feat more than once, and you have proof... please show it. As said I'm open to being proven wrong in my view.
Scattering the phoenix force was done in cooperation with hope ultimately. She probably wouldnt have been able to do it without her
In Atlantis Attacks, Infinity War it was a group effort against Set, seems unfair... But Avengers Disassembled where she soloed an entire team? You are correct that should be counted. Twisting reality to custom design, yeah, that isn't something she has been doing since the 60s is it?
Once again, enough discussion for things that are going to change no opinion.
I liked Galactus as the Seeder of Worlds, but that doesn't mean he was more powerful than before.
@Slyme quin it would be more correct to say Hope did this only because of Wanda's chaos magic she was copying, wouldn't it? Hope didn't have any access to Chaos magic without her, did she?
Hope was the host of the phoenix force when they scattered the phoenix force. It worked because they both undid the spell together as two halves of the equation. As the event explained, chaos magic is oppositional tot he phoenix force. Thus they were both necessary in scattering the phoenix.
Even as so, wanda would have been unable to do it herself. If she could have she would have throughout the event. Its why the whole event pointed to Hope being the sollution, because wanda couldnt do it herself
If I remember this correctly Wanda was the only one present who showed the capability of hurting and dissapating the Phoenix Force and opposing the five entities who held the Phoenix Force.
Yep, she was able to hurt them but she did not manage to beat them herself, just like she wasnt able to undo the HoM hex herself except on a micro scale. She pretty much needed to work in cooperation with the phoenix force to reach a resolve, and that was only thanks to hope
It's odd that the Phoenix seemed to have no knowledge of what else was involved in HOM, but Doom did, wasn't it? An omnipotent force knew nothing but Wanda's part? I have a lot of problems with retcons.
Heres some examples:
Heres hope and wanda fighting dark pheonix together because both were needed
Heres hope and wanda undoing the pheonix together
What do you think?