Yeah Stan Lee gets a lot of credit for the amazing framework he made, but the whole thing about it being about minorities protecting themselves and seeking equality came much later.

Magneto was just a power hungry despot, and for some reason he was also a telepath equal to Xavier.

Xavier was mostly a jerk, and also a pedophile.

Stan lee actually had a lot of themes of adult men pursuing teenage women. Including one where Magneto tried to sell his daughter.

All of it was quite weird. I wrote an academic paper about it.

Talk about twisted to the max…

In fact, if anything the plot of Stan Lee's run was to form a pseudo police force using young teenage minorities to police other minorities who were bad.

All the villains were just mutants who were bad. Stan lee should not get credit for the imagery of the mutants we have today. That more came in form Chris Claremont

Also, his original idea for the fantastic four was to have Ben Grim be an asshole who got lumped in with the accident. He would pretend to be part of the family and secretly try to steal Sue from Reed, and cause problems with the team. He also wanted Ben to be a problem gambler.

Also, in his original run, The Blob was just a mutant who was big and worked for a circus. He was happy being left alone. Then Xavier came and saw how powerful he was. He asked him to join his xmen and he said he wasn't interested. So he tried to entice him with Teenage Jean grey and then trap him. Xavier's motivation was "How dare you reject me!" and so he eventually trapped him and tried to psychically force him to submit to his will. Blob snapped out of it and decided he hated the xmen, so he joined magneto.

Wow!

Yeah Stan Lee may have come up with ideas but is ideas werent necessarily good. It was other writers in most cases who made the characters what we know now.

Well, most people nowadays make things and simply call it a day or brainstorm a lot and make it into a realistic idea. But sometimes, what they make can be good.

I wonder if we should consider Iron Man an anti-hero? I mean he's a walking mech weapon. He also ran the illuminati which did several things that were far beyond heroic lens but had the intention of doing good. He also facilitated the destruction of several universes. He went to war with Inhumans because he was angry that a teenager with foresight predicted his friend would die and he did. He also abducted that teenager and tortured him because he was mad about that. Part of his anger was just that his business wasn't successful.

He also overtly became a villain for a period.

Well, doesn’t Superior Iron Man make him an anti-hero?

Superior Iron Man was more straight up villain. He exploited every day civilians by giving them beauty lifts with nano-tech, and then caused the nano tech to make them ugly if they didn't pay regularly. Full villain.