Phoenix Force (Earth-616)

What character outside of marvel would be able to bond with the phoenix force

DIRECTORS CUT in Sins of Sinister directly stated by the writer.

"Devil Advocacy (From Journey of Mystery- Its basically a meeting place for all head demons in MU. Any decent demon will be. Mephisto, etc"

He stated refer below from Journey into Mystery about the Council

It is shown Adversary arguing with another demon Darklove for satans chairs in Journey into Mystery 627. Wait there's more.

The Devil's Advocacy is the meeting place for the head demons in Marvel Universe (the multiverse) and wait there is Adversary with his peers close to the chair of satan in Sins of Sinister? Unless you want to argue someone like Dormammu is from 616 and a universal reboot affected him too? Along with other demons from different dimensions too? Cable and X-Force stated he is pan-dimensional. Which means he exists as one version in infinite realities.

Infernal Parliament is literally the Devil's Advocacy referring from Journey into Mystery PER the writer

The intro for Resurrection of Magneto "FALLS THE SHADOW! In the cold dark rooms beyond death, there are terrible things. Annihilators. Adversaries. And a King of Shadows…who seeks a new soul to live in. The time of easy miracles is over. For Storm and Magneto, all the roads back to life are hard…and this is the hardest road of all."

Al Ewing lets it be known that the Dark Dimension that was taking over the White Hot Room when Phoenix was dying has many things Annihilation, Adversary, and Shadow King.

----- He gave us hints that these beings are all connected In X-Men Red 13. He let it be known that Annihilation had the power Storm faced before "Adversary" Storm faced Adversary in Uncanny X-Men and in Black Panther

----Al Ewing Stated in an interview that when Storm will be facing some of the X-men's greatest and most powerful foes over the years. Storm is allowed into The Mystery by the higher power of Marvel Cosmos but she is only allowed there to save 616 from cosmic threats,

-----Al Ewing confirms again they would be facing cosmic threats that will have a knock-off effect on the rest of Fall of X. Which is these cosmic entities and the dark cold room trying to take over the White Hot Room and the cosmos.

-----The writer of X-men Forever confirms he spoke with Al Ewing and issue 3 X-men Forever plays off on RoM

---When Resurrection of Magneto #3 came out Al Ewing stated he did research on various "oppositional forces to the Phoenix". He learned Shadow King was meant to be one of these by Claremont but has been aware of others that filled that spot like Goblin Force. He asked if were there any others and answered yes but did not get them all. Oppositional force to phoeni are plural but for the larger purpose of Fall of X, they should be coherently arranged. He stated Tiger God did not fit the oppositional force as he exists in the darkness around the WHR and the opposition force is in Tagiriron the opposite of the White Hot Room.

--- Playing on what's above Claremont created Adversary as universe primal chaos destroying the world and creating a new one out of chaos doing it over and over again. Adversary is literally beyond life and death meaning he can't die.

----Adversary shown in Howling Commandos of S.H.I.E.L.D. Vol 1 5 was stated to be the shadows themselves. As he was shown in X-Factor it was stated he was born in the "Darkness". Adversary was never from the physical plane and always needed a host. All Echo did was stop an incarnation he used.

1. It's been stated numerous times Adversary can not die and just him being locked up in a prison dimension for a long time by Roma would affect the universe. All Echo did was disperse his essence so he "couldn't" reform. This is also stated by Forge in X-Factor when using the spirit spell which was made to incap Adversary.

2. The writer of SoS directly stated that Devil Advocacy is from Journey into the Mystery and just shows Sebastian meeting the head demons in Marvel Multiverse. Adversary is alive with his peers as they still face off who should sit in Satan's chair.

3. Al Ewing confirms multiple times the oppositional forces to the Phoenix are the real deal in multiple interviews and his articles. He refers to them in one as cosmic threats. The next the most powerful foes of X-men over the years. He did make an article claiming to make a story about these oppositions. These entities are all linked by the darkness and have their own name/role but are aligned.

4. This as shown in Dark Cold Room/Shadow Kingdom when Storm pooled her force into SK combined with the rest of the entities... It was stated shadows can never be truly gone but can be robbed of their power for the time being. Showing that the oppositional forces of phoenix representing darkness can not be killed.

Ok, this one’s a little different. Usually I pick a singular character or an identity used by a couple if characters. But for this, I’m doing every phoenix force host. Ever. So, on to the rules I guess:

1. It can be any Phoenix force host in any reality or medium.

2. It must be 5 designs. No more, no less.

3. It has to be an official design. No fanart.

Dark Phoenix vs Raven

Who Would Win in a battle to the Death?

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We know that The One Above All is basically the god in Marvel’s (also has a theory that e The One Above All, Presence and God (From Spawn) are the same god and who created the omniverse). Reason name one above all because he above all creation and creating other

primevals meaning that other gods, demons and cosmic beings. Also there is a theory that One Above All created the First Firmament. We know that Celestials were created by the First Firmament. Celestials are more powerful if not gods themselves. Odin ain’t that powerful against powerful beings like Galactus on a larger scale.

So questions remain? What is the caste system for these cosmic beings and gods? If The One Above All is above all creations and other gods, so who above who? Below are the demons like Hell-Lords (like Beelzebub, Hela, Mephisto, Satana and Hellstrom) who are still more powerful than Thor and Thanos, maybe Morlun. What between Heaven and Hell? Which primeval are strongest that closely can not defend but closely beat hell-Lords and One-Above-All. Is Chaos King, Knull, Gorr the God Butcher, Black Winter, Mad Titan, Warlock or then who? The Marvel Universe is larger than ever with many buried questions like beside God and the strongest demons, which pecking order from Demi-gods to beyond omega level begins.

Possible Caste System Order:

1. One-Above-All

2. Death

3. First Firmament

4. Chaos King

5. Council of Godheads

6. Shuma Gorath

7. Celestials

8. Phoenix Force

9. Adam Warlock

10. Black Winter

11. Knull

12. The Beyonder

13. TVA

14. The Other (Spider-Totems)

15. Eternals and Deviants

16. Inheritors

17. Ghost Rider

18. Hell-Lords

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Hey guys I know a lot of people dont ship a lot of characters for certain reasons but i just wanted to make this for fun but what if a child from the current Demiurge & PF host had a child? How powerful would you think the child would be? How would it look? Would the conception be a surrogate type situation since Demiurge likes hot dogs better than tacos u know, comment your opinions or thoughts!

Hey guys so lately something has been on my mind about the phoenix force and the children it supposedly had with certain characters. Like odin for thor and scott summers alternate daughter rachel summers and why are they are so depowered compared to the phoenix force themselves? Can anyone explain that? Obviously its how the writers make it but since there are changes already being made to certain characters that people already hate like thor being the phoenixs child in the first place. How and why have they not surpassed the phoenix yet?

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Hey y’all so i keep checking to see if there is any changes to thors page cuz last time i made a post about this, some people said it was a retcon of some sort so idk did they make it official that its true? Cuz if not why hasnt anyone changed it back yet lol?

Hey y’all so i understand the phoenix force is a cosmic entity that is capable of doing a lot on its own without of a host but I understand that wiccan aka demiurge is meant to be an Omnipotent being that (in the past) created the elder gods; one of them being Chthon whos Chaos magic can take on the phoenix itself sooo im curious as to think of wiccans potential being either above or maybe the same as the phoenix. Im curious to what you guys think so comment you’re opinion!