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Pulled up wit that Aston Martin yall thought it was rented!!
You just introduced me to a song I have to save on my Spotify! Nice.
Dreams & Nightmares used to be MY ANTHEM! lol.
Nice battle! If only we had more go on with BatFrag. As said before if he's anything like Lobo...I can see most of these battles going in his favor, but that's not to say no one can put up a challenge. Angela is more experienced, just as skilled, and from what I know...equal in power.
Exactly! I could tell you were really brainstorming. You came up with excellent ideas I'd actually like to see.
Youre idea of Tchalla getting sick though still isnt a bad idea though! I just prefer the KOD route.
I really appreciate you breaking down your views man 😉. Now I need to honor you and make a break down of how'd I introduce a solo Cyclops film in the MCU....but I hate to admit, I dont know a great deal about Cyclops as you lol.
Also @Tom take your time bud..know that you're missed and come back when you can. No apologies necessary 😉.
"Knullified"...🤔....🤣HAA! Smh that's so stupid.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Gotta hand to you man! You did well with this and of course had good points.
You actually presented things that were shown in comics:
1) "Eventually, Shuri find a way to connect to Bast, and demands Bast gives her answers for t'challa's death. Bast refuses to answer any questions, claiming she is not worthy of being a black panther, and not worthy of Basts answers." This actually happened. Bast denied Shuri.
Very nice comic adaptation.
2) Your mention of King Of The Dead was excellent. While I wouldnt like KOD reduced to an off screen role....I actually wouldn't mind this 🤷🏾♂️. I can be lenient😁.
Also I really liked that you had Killmonger in the Ancestral Plane with Tchaka. Picturing that is such a BEAUTIFUL moment, and I would love to see that. I didn't even think of this! Very great idea.
Too it was a great idea for Bast to grant Shuri the powers of the Black Panther after witnessing her sacrifice..very good!
Admittedly I wouldn't mind if things went down like this...BUT I do have some tiny winny aversions with a few things, but its probably only because I'm a diehard BP fan. Now....
"- T'challa dies of the same cause as Chadwick Boseman. To me this would be the easiest way to make it happen organically, while also keeping it grounded in reality. So my explanation for this would be that The Snap had additional effects on people that only presented after some time. The radiation from the snap had affected many, and only later did the health issues show up. T'challa dies from a quickly spreading Colon Cancer which ends up taking his life before treatments can help. No villains, no blame, no revenge plot. Just a real life normal death. All this happens of screen and is re-visited in the beginning to the film as Shuri mourns. The defeats the need for cgi or a replacement actor."
While I like the normal death cancelling out the need for a villain, blame, or revenge plot....I dont really like the idea of Panther getting cancer. I mean HSH is supposed to make him superhuman, and immune to a lot of human illnesses. Too Wakanda has a cure for cancer...😁😅. But that's ridiculous. Overall I feel Panther getting cancer is not a true reflection of the character- that's why I support the KOD idea more; however I could see why some might appreciate the cancer route in reflection of Boseman. I too once thought that an infection or whatever could spread as a result of the snap or something...could still do that, or let that be the cause of Panther's death. I wouldn't mind if that either.
Alot of what you broke down feels similar to some Shuri comics, which I like. Her failings shows her as flawed...but sadly also shows her and Wakanda as weak- and I'm much too of crazed fan to allow that. It's great to show a hero not always succeed...its realistic and creates growth, which Shuri would definitely need....But it's a double edge sword and I tend to not like the other half. Overall though...for the sake of giving MCU Shuri a chance....I'd allow it lol🤷🏾♂️. Only because you're my friend 😁.
"How to correct for Chadwick bosemen not being there
-I'd use symbolism instead of a physical actor on the ancestral plane. Such as have him as a panther in the ancestral plane instead of a physcial being."
I wouldn't mind this🤔. Makes sense. Symbolism of Tchalla's & Boseman's spirit.
"I know none of this is perfect, but idk, I still see the potential." As we discuss it more, I could actually see it more too. I'm still going to be stubborn on the subject though 😅. Jk.
Alot of what you said holds a lot of truth! However, I still stand by that both present equal amount of risk. You did make everything more plausible than I care to admit....but I still think the risk are there because the MCU sadly does not think like me and you lol.
Agreed with your points on the benefits of Casting Shuri, all that is clear and should be well known.
"All around when you think about it, casting Shuri is far more sensible from a marketing standpoint, and the mcu is all about marketing for profits.."
I wouldn't say "more sensible lol...but obviously would be done the same way BP1 was marketed, but a heavier emphasis "First MCU Black Female Lead".
So yea...that's bound to sale tickets.
"They market to exploitable audiences, movie fans..."
"If you look at mcu fans, you'll find they're rooting for shuri to be casted because they have no attachment to the comics and to them it's an absolute win.." All true!
"the focus of the mcu isn't strictly comic fans, its appealing to a market thats really easy to profit from..."
"and the MCU is money hungry sharks." Couldn't agree more.
Sorry for the wait smh...I had a longer response that crashed when I tried to post it...it didn't save sonic had write everything ALL OVER 😡😡. I couldn't remember everything, but above is the jist.
@Slyme quin Yea man its alot, and I'm curious to know your thoughts.
Good points as always @Slyme! You're probably right. Overall I'm still hopeful for the least likely lol.
But let's say they do go with Shuri. How do you then write out Tchalla? Remember he comes back after the "Snap". So what happened afterward if he's no longer around?
-Did he die/killed?
In each option it'll have to be explained. The latter 2 still begs the question "where is he?" And it would make almost every bit of the sequel plots centered around trying to find Tchalla (or trying to rescue him, or even gain justice for his murder). It will essentially be all about Shuri's quest to find her brother, instead of Shuri being The Black Panther & Queen. I feel such would be a disservice to her character. Too if they are still going to keep Tchalla in the center, then I don't think the character could ever be completely written out...and if that's the case, I think it would not be a good decision to go forward with her. That's why her comics are short lived, because it could never be just her by herself for too long. Only way to do so is completely get Tchalla out of the way....a death. With comics it's a different story, you actually could show Shuri on her own adventures, absent Tchalla, without him being killed off. But in the films....I dont see it. I could be wrong though 🤷🏾♂️.
Now if they do write Tchalla out by means of a death...then are they going to show it? Does the MCU really want to drag audiences through the memory of losing Boseman again? It could be done in homage to Boseman like in Fast&Furious with Paul Walker...so it could work🤔. But how do you do all that without Boseman? MCU already confirmed they won't CGI Boseman.
So the only option we have is to just say he passed somehow and Wakanda already held his funeral...so everyone just moves on. But doesn't that feel very rushed, and thrown aside? Perhaps not 🤷🏾♂️. But I think it could lack story depth to just have everyone "move on". However, they could from time to time show Shuri, Ramonda, and Nakia grieving over Tchalla to create a sense of depth.....that could work🤔.
BUT WAIT! There is another issue lol.. The Ancestral Plane. Wakandan Kings don't just die, they live on in the Ancestral Plane. When Shuri becomes BP she has to take the Heart Shaped Herb, which will take her to the Plane to see her ancestors and past kings. Tchalla was a King. If he died, will his spirit be there and will Shuri see him? If so....HOW lol? Again...MCU already confirmed they wouldn't CGI Boseman. So either they are gonna be exposed as liars or they're gonna keep their word. If it's the latter, how can you show Shuri going to the Ancestral Plane but NOT show Tchalla?🤔. Imagine the scene. She goes there awaiting to see her brother and father again, and her brother is not there! Of course she would be delighted to see her father, but also devastated in realizing her brother does not rest in peace with her ancestors.
The only way I could see them remedying the situation is if...once she goes into the Ancestral Plane, she sees her father, but her father tells her that Tchalla "is not dead but lives on in another plane". Now that could work, its beautiful....BUT, all that realistically does is offer more questions than answers. Do the writers & creators expect fans & audiences to understand the meaning of the phrase....and move on? And are we to believe that the character really knows what such means and it gives Shuri enough comfort to not further press the subject? 🤔...I guess it would have to be so.
...BUT wait...here lies another issue lol: The Heart Shaped Herb is "gone"! Supposedly the Garden of The Herb is the only source of the HSH- and Tchalla used the last bit. So how is Shuri gonna have the powers of the Black Panther? Will they have her create herself a synthetic version (which did exist in the comics)? If so...will it still allow her to see her ancestors since its scientifically made🤔? Probably to cut out the issue of showing Tchalla or not, I think it would be best if they made it unable for her to cross into the Ancestral Plane. Also if she does create her own version....how? Yes, this is all fiction, not everything has to be actually plausible lol...but if they have Shuri create a new HSH out of thin air, it begs the question of why was it such a horrible thing that Killmonger burned the garden, if Shuri could easily make more? It makes his efforts look pointless, and takes away some of the damage the villain left. It could be argued though...that Shuri didn't know beforehand that she could, so I guess they could get away with it.
...If not have her create her own version of the HSH, will they continue to make Shuri pretty much a tech based hero? Using gauntlets, a super suit to help her fight threats, and more? Again...that's a mockery to her character, and that's basically Riri Williams just in a Panther suit, aswell as many other heroes the MCU (Falcon, Rhodey, Ant-Man, Wasp, etc).
Overall...as I see it, there would be no perfect or smooth outcome in either continuing with Shuri or recasting Tchalla. There will always be some issue I feel, or something that needs to be changed. However, more changes would need to be made IF they continued with Shuri. Too, those changes could create more questions than answers...and if the MCU drops the ball in answering any of them, it could result in things feeling rushed or lacking in some way- and thus could possibly hurt the film.
Too...I dont think Letitia Wright has ever starred in a film. I don't think we know if she can carry a whole 2hr CBM, or that her character (as she's written in the MCU) could carry a whole film. A lot of changes would need to be, and I feel a lot of it could be rushed. Honestly, a recasting of Panther may face some of the same challenges. So who knows 🤷🏾♂️.
Now that I've thought about all this...I'm gonna keep my hopes very low for BP2. Things could work either way...or they could be a nightmare.
Appreciate all who read, I apologize for any typos.
If MCU Shuri was anything like her comic counterpart. Or they showed her to have skill....then maybe. But she's a kid, with blasters.
I'm not feeling it.
^^^Its definitely a high probability.
I just know I will be disappointed. I already didn't like MCU Shuri much, and they sorta trashed her in the comics...so I'm really averse to her lol.
People loved her.....I was like uh.
Vision & Scarlet Witch became Avengers rather quickly lol.
But agreed..I don't think length of time really matters.
Nah in Thor 1 it showed he was on Earth a bit longer than that...I think.
Overall agreed with the above
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