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==Appearances in Other Media==
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1) Can we have an "Appearances in Other Media" section. This will alleviate the need for CustomSectionX usage that somehow, I seem to be the only one using the most?!?
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2) The above section will only "appear" if used. This way we will not have too much info on all template pages (since 95% or so are not in other appearances...though this depends on your view of other media - cartoons, books, music, merchandise, video games....)
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3) Also have the "appear - only if used" coding for other items. Such as: Related Articles, Enemies/Allies (which I don't agree with this on any page), and any other items producing lists of linked articles...
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Just a thought and I think it would help clean things up a bit, plus give a little more standard to the articles with templates...plus I got bugged on Iceman's page when the CustomSection1 added the Appearances section under the reference notes...grrrrr...Thoughts?!?! --[[User:M1shawhan|M1shawhan]] 04:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 04:33, June 14, 2007

Template: To Do List

  • Add Template:Tabs to the template. -- Hold off until the character names and such are updated and a consensus reached on how to approach.
  • Power Bars???
  • Add ToDo here...

Suggestions

Looking to make the Character templates a little easier for the new reader. Basically, keeping all of the same details, but instead introducing a new paragraph at the start like other wikis. Namely one that reads like, "Origin in one or two sentences, relation to the MU, current state or whereabouts as last known." Sleeper 08:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I see where you are going with this... It could definitely work, the only concern I have is that maintaining an accurate "Current Status / Last Known Whereabouts" is very hard to do...
It was actually included in my first draft of the template, but I decided against it last minute.
Can you show us an example of what you are proposing? (here)
--JamieHari 19:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Combine 'former' and 'other aliases'?

Copycat has suggested we combine 'former aliases' and 'other current aliases' into one 'known aliases'. I can only assume this suggestion implies that if an alias is not used any longer, we could just say (former) or something similar, where applicable.

I am all for keeping our templates as tight and compact as possible. Data should be filling the page, not formatting...

What does everyone else think about this idea?

--JamieHari 19:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I for one have never liked the aliases section and would like them to be combined.
--M1shawhan 08:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Exclude from the Character Template ?

Hey Guys!

I also think we should exclude this lines from the template:
<!-- Begin Template. Copy AFTER this line. -->
<!-- End Template. Copy to this line. (Do not include this line) -->
because I think the template is easier to use without them. When create a new page or edit a stub I'm used to pressing Ctrl-A and copying everything from the character template page. After I paste it in the destination page I always have to deleted this unwanted lines. :-(

Second nominees are '''Place of death:''' '''REMOVE THIS LINE IF STILL ACTIVE''' <br> '''Final appearance:''' '''REMOVE THIS LINE IF STILL ACTIVE''' <br> because they apply to a very small group of characters and because Marvel has a way of bringing a lot of characters back from the dead more often then I can remember.

Hope you feel the same way.
Copycat989 07:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

PS: Jamie thanks for taking into account my suggestion.

I agree, and think that the Template lines are unneeded. I also agree with the place of death and final appearance. All this can be in the history if needed and then if the character is brought back you can just continue on with the history...We have also been talking about this in the forum section and I would like to hear input on this here and/or in the forum. Forum Link
--M1shawhan 08:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't thank me for listening to your suggestion... I thank YOU for giving it! Ask anyone who has been here since the beginning, I always value the community's input. :)
With the new 'add a character' button (coming soon!), you are right, the Begin/End Template lines will NOT be there, they are useless. Done! :)
As for the 'Place of Death/Final Appearance' lines... that is a tough one that I have thought about before. I agree that Marvel's tendency to reinstate dead characters poses a challenge to this way of handling things. My concern is that there are SO MANY one-appearance characters that Marvel created just for the purpose of killing them off later in the same comic. I would still like to see those two lines used if the character is (currently) deceased, BUT I could possibly see removing them from the template, so they aren't a hassle to remove when not needed.
Can anyone think of the best way to handle this? (I don't really want 'deceased info' in Notes, I think it should be more prominent.)
--JamieHari 15:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
You have a point there Jamie. So for the moment, you can remove the lines we've agreed upon and leave the Final appearance: line but consider taking out the commentREMOVE THIS LINE IF STILL ACTIVE. BTW the 'add a character' button sounds great.
Copycat989 15:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I am going to leave the template alone for now until we all agree on all format changes. Once everything is finalized, we will make one massive change and the 'add a character' button will go live. I figure the template has been like this for months, what is a few more days? ;)
Keep those ideas coming! I want to get this right!
--JamieHari 17:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

==Affiliations instead of Group affiliation: I think it's simple and practical to use Affiliations instead of Group affiliation because sometimes a character is not associated with a group but only with a certain well known character. And other times characters are affiliated with a group and with certain characters. I found this format on wikipedia] and I think it's sweet. Copycat989 14:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I like the format...and I will change it on the "test" page @ User:M1shawhan/NewCharacterTemplate. Let me know what you think. I also wanted to know how everyone feels about the userboxes, like the one on the Wikipedia sites. I actually like them a lot and they make things look less cluttered. Plus, I think there is a lot of "lost space" on pages and putting info into a userbox would greatly be more efficient on space while making it look good.
--M1shawhan 00:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I like the userbox idea it can make things look less cluttered. I'm kind of clumsy with them although I have some experience with editing on wikipedia and marveldatabase. I think they're pretty difficult to use and I it's hard to add more than one picture for a character because they seem to get misplaced
Copycat989 09:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Noted and agreed. Less clutter, more of an eyesore on multiple pics. One pic looks good though.
M1shawhan 00:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Adding a Summary?

So how about adding a summary of sorts to the top of the template? After the name, but before the History and Table of Contents? That way the first thing the person sees is the name/codename, the summary, and the infobox. If someone wants to know more, he/she will read the entire bio, but if he/she is just curious about the big picture, he/she sees it straight after entering the page. The summary gives a short description about that character, what he/she does, and what type of history he/she has. Having the summary would also help making the TOC appear between two sections instead cutting in the middle of the History section. Should it be calle the Summary, or would another name be more appropriate?

Ouchmaker 13:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding Power Bars

Like it was mentioned in the Forums, should we add the power bars used in the Official Handbooks? Can they be done in graphical forms? Should we alter them, include other statistics? For the latter two I'm against, it would be less confusing if we were to use the same statistics and numbers as previously used. Comments? How do we make it work in graphical form (in power bars)? Discussion, please.

--Ouchmaker 09:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this would be possible...we would have to integrate a template of some sort...have uploaded graphical icons and link those to individual template options 1-7. Separate out the categories and then end up with a link like this:

|Strength = 1 |Power = 2.....Doing this would make it link anything equaling a 1 to have the graphical-bar "1" attached to it and so forth. I think it could be done. Wish I was better at coding and I would do this. I can get the bar off the UHOTMU pages or we may even be able to use a mediawiki bar-graph. I will look into this more and let you know. --M1shawhan 17:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Good to know, this is promising. I know, I wish I had better coding skills so that I could do it myself, but I guess I will have to wait for someone else to do this. The tricky part would be the so-called Yellow bars and Green bars, which could be troubling to make into graphic form. -- Ouchmaker 22:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
If what I plan on doing "works", then it shouldn't be too hard. Just tedious. --M1shawhan 01:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you manage to get something that works, I would be happy to apply the numbers to the profiles. I have the updated list of given bar numbers on my page, so it's just about adding the correct numbers on the correct profiles. But where should the bars be added on the character template? And how would you plan on solving the issue of more than one bar number on a single bar-space? (for instance teleporters can have two separate numbers on the Speed bar, and some entries have had as much as three separate numbers on a single bar-space). -- Ouchmaker 13:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Here is my plan --
  1. get a pic of "all bars" singles 1-7 & any combinations...should be able to get all these from OHOTMU issues.
  2. assign each "pic" a number value. (Prob 1-7 & then 1/2 or 1/7 for the combos...we'll see)
  3. put this into a template to use these "pics" for each assigned value you enter (ex. you put a 1 - you get the single "1" bar-pic
  4. Test it out... ;) --M1shawhan 17:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Most of the OHOTMU's use different colors as their Power Bar colors, so it wouldn't be the same for all the profiles. Simply the single bar choices would give us forty, and all the double bar choices would give us fifty choices, so we would have to use about a hundred different pics with single and double bars only.
  • We could possibly use these things instead:

Problem with this one is I have no idea how to transform this so that it has Intelligence, Strength, and others written in there, or how to change the color, or how to even change it from a timeline into another type of a bar. and it doesn't show the scale of the bars, since it's a timeline and not an actual power bar. I modified it a bit, but it's from here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files

Intelligence $ \mathbf{1} \mathbf{2} \mathbf{3} $
Strength $ \mathbf{1} \mathbf{2} \mathbf{3} \mathbf{4} \mathbf{5} $

Then there's this, which is a lot simpler, now we just need it to change the color, It's not as fancy as the first one, but works. And that one is from here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Formula -- Ouchmaker 20:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I found this help page on timelines that can walk you through making bar graphs and timelines. The question then becomes whether or not you can template them. -- WhyBother 06:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
SWEET!!!! We might be able to make this work. Does anyone know if a template can be "integrated" into a template? Like maybe we have a "power bar" template that we can put in the character template or have attached under the picture or something...hmmm ---M1shawhan 01:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Should be able to...
Let me know if you have troubles with it.
--Jamie 03:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Image size default

Is there a way that the default size for images can be reduced a smidge? I've noticed that on some pages, the images don't format well if they are smaller than the template default size. For an example see Vampire by Night (Nina Price). --Brian Kurtz 18:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

After a bit of pensive thought, I think we still may need to keep the default size as it is in order to keep the majority of images in proportion to the template. What can be done is to manually override individual images as needed. To do this, you add "| ImageSize = 123px" where 123 is the number of pixels wide you want the image to be. I think by default it is 250px. I adjusted Nina down a few pixels and now she looks hot! ;)
Let me know if this works for you...
--Jamie 21:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Awesome! Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 15:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Appearances in Other Media

3 things with this comment:

1) Can we have an "Appearances in Other Media" section. This will alleviate the need for CustomSectionX usage that somehow, I seem to be the only one using the most?!?

2) The above section will only "appear" if used. This way we will not have too much info on all template pages (since 95% or so are not in other appearances...though this depends on your view of other media - cartoons, books, music, merchandise, video games....)

3) Also have the "appear - only if used" coding for other items. Such as: Related Articles, Enemies/Allies (which I don't agree with this on any page), and any other items producing lists of linked articles...

Just a thought and I think it would help clean things up a bit, plus give a little more standard to the articles with templates...plus I got bugged on Iceman's page when the CustomSection1 added the Appearances section under the reference notes...grrrrr...Thoughts?!?! --M1shawhan 04:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

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