Talk: Deceased Characters

I want to put in subcategories like "Mutant Massacre" and any other mass killing in Marvel history to organize highlight those characters that died in major events. PiranhaSister 04:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The Living Dead

For lack of a better title. Basically...it seems odd to me to count a character in the "Deceased Characters" category...when they're alive. Either we don't need the "Formerly Deceased" category (because if they're both alive and dead, we can assume they're currently alive, but were dead), or we shouldn't include the "Death" field on characters who are, currently alive, and we should relegate death information to the Notes field. Thoughts? --GrnMarvl14 02:42, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think the easiest solution is to add a new optional field in the сharacter template, something like "Resurrection" or "Return". If the field is defined, then the character will automatically be added to the "Formerly Deceased" category, as is currently happening with the "Death" field and "Deceased Characters" category. In this field can be specified the issue in which character died, and the issue in which character returned. I don't know how wiki works, but perhaps it may even be automated, something like that:

     | Return    = Comics1|Comics2

that will show in the infobox as:

     Death & Return
     --------------
     Death: 
     {{cvd|Comics1}}
     Return:
     {{cvd|Comics2}}

Harasar 17:39, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

That's not too bad an idea. Too bad most of our better coding guys aren't that active anymore.

--GrnMarvl14 02:51, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Not too bad an idea indeed. One problem would be classifying what could count as a "Death". For instance, in Astonishing X-Men #22, Cyclops legit died. Of course, he was brought back the very next issue so no biggie. Not to mention Secret Wars or Infinity Gauntlet or any other issue or event where multiple characters literally 'died' only to be brought back the next issue, or that issue itself. But still, even though I may not count these, others might. We would for sure need to clarify quite specifically what would apply as a comic book death.

--Johnnybravo44 (talk) 04:33, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think that if the character had been dead for at least two issues, he can be considered dead, and his return can be considered as resurrection.--Harasar 05:15, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

But with the way some comics work, two issues may not be enough. Say a character dies in the first issue of a story arc, but is brought back by the next third issue. That wouldn't quite classify in my opinion. Maybe if we specified that they were "largely considered deceased" and that their death had "a lasting impression on others for years" or whatever. Not too great on the specifics, I'll admit.

--Johnnybravo44 (talk) 06:09, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Then maybe: "Character can be considered dead if he/she had been dead for a long time (at least a few story arcs or a few months)" --Harasar 14:08, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

The problem with trying to make a rule for its usage is how difficult it is to get everyone aware of it and actually abiding by it. And if we have multiple resurrection fields (for characters like Adam Warlock, who gets killed about once a decade), you run into people overusing it (imagine Mr. Immortal's page...). This isn't a bad idea, but it's a tough idea to actively implement and monitor. And, really, we'd likely end up with similar issues to what we have now, but instead of people removing the death field, they'd be, unnecessarily, adding the resurrection field. And, honestly, that's why I'd recommend keeping the entire resurrection business to the Notes field. It's less convenient, but the lack of convenience would actually discourage abuse. Forcing people to type in more than an issue makes them actually have to stop and think, rather than simply do. Plus, it would allow for a brief explanation of events (the full extent could be handled in the history).

--GrnMarvl14 15:37, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

¿Why the exibition view isn't activated in this category? The list doesn't have any utility without that feature. -- - The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikieditor1990 (talk • contribs).

My understanding is that Wikia's servers do not have the memory to handle the load volume of a category with this many articles in it such that it would not load if the coding used Lua. -- Annabell (talk) 05:08, September 8, 2016 (UTC)

ohh. Bad news. Thanks for answering.

Wikieditor1990 (talk) 05:54, September 8, 2016 (UTC)

New Subcategory - Characters deceased in 616?

If it is alright with the staff of the this wiki, I wanted to know if it would be possible to filter the currently deceased characters of 616 into their own separate page. It would help anyone seeking information of who in the main universe is currently deceased rather than scroll through 200 characters at a time.

Thatxguy1337 (talk) 03:32, February 9, 2017 (UTC)

I would have to cherch back but there is a way to do that (to cross categories to obtain a list). But apart from that, there are no "Earth-616 Deceased Characters" category and it should not be created (like you said, a filter would be the best way).Undoniel (talk) 13:49, February 9, 2017 (UTC)