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Storm should NOT be on this list, she has never been officially outed as an Omega, rather she has the potential to be one.
I have added is the list of Omega to Storm, Synch, Magneto and Jubilee because it has been insinuated in some occasion that this one is this level. However, because they have not been confirmed officially like Omega mutants, I have not erased they of the Alpha-Level mutants.
Craneo_Rojo
I disagree about the presence of several mutants on this page. I would outright remove Firestar, Chamber (not even a mutant anymore, but I never thought him an omega), Jubilee, Polaris, Quicksilver, Gambit, Morph, and Selene. I just don't see the evidence that they're powerful enough to be Omegas. Alphas, maybe, but nothing more. I have my doubts about Magneto/Joseph and Storm, but if they qualify so should Professor Xavier - and no one has listed him.--Ferroboy 03:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- This is a long-standing problem with this page, and has been talked about pretty much forever. The problem is that different people 'FEEL' differently about each character. And while those feelings can be argued back and fourth pretty much until the end of time, the only REAL reason to have ANY character on this list is with verified proof. So if you happen to know which comic actually states that any of the characters you'd like to add are, in fact, Omegas, than feel free to add them to the list with a <ref>Reference</ref> tag next to them. That way there will be no disagreements. If you don't know where the reference is, I probably wouldn't add them.
- --Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talk • contribs • email) 00:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
My apologies, many of them I have added myself, give my reasons:
- Jubilee: Emma Frost said that her powers could be used to a sub atomic level. I have not seen her ever use their powers in this way, but considering that Emma is not wrong to classify Iceman Omega, possibly it is right.
- Morph: It seems to me that his powers have no limits, his body is missing unstable molecules (such as costumes of superheroes, to suit any situation, no?), Can change his texture, his hardness, his form ... I think he deserves to be in that category.
- Polaris: It assumes her powers equal to those of Magneto, or if she would be believed. If Magneto (though he says otherwise) qualifies for a mutant level Omega, why she did not?)
- Quicksilver: I do not agree, but since I did not add, I prefer not to touch it.
- Gambit: Currently does not have such features, but when he was younger, his powers had greater range that now, more or less like New Son. He may not be now, but in the past he was.
- Selene: Before I was convinced that she was, but now I have my doubts: her powers are great, but with limits and if she was a mutant of the twentieth century between two and fifty years of age may I think that simply has not been able to develop to its full extent. But brings alive centuries, it is the first or second mutant oldest in the world (which can exceed the Azazel age), and had ample time to perfect their powers. Why then is her telekinesis level of Psylocke instead of the Phoenix's level, or Witer's level molecular control and not Elixir's level?
- Firestar: I see very powerful, but it is quite likely that it is alpha. Bug mine.
- Chamber: I have no idea why he considers this level.
- Xavier: I also think that he is omega, and that he should appear on the list.
- Magneto: I do not have any doubt that this is the highest level, since it merely surprised with new uses for their skills. How can have limitations someone who constantly discovers new aspects of their ability?
- Storm: I think it is quite possible, and let us not delude ourselves: she eventually swelling the list sooner or later (so far have revealed).
My native language is Spanish, I hope that I understand --Craneo Rojo 13:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE ADD Gravity i think he deserves it as he can manipulate gravitons which allows him to fly and change the weight of things, also he has the "power enough to shake the cosmos".
i would do it myself but i don't want to mess it up, as i am new to editing. thank you in advance.
Is Apocalypse an Omega level Mutant? He is by most accounts one of the strongest/powerful ones out there...
- That is part of the problem with this page. Although it is interesting and allows people to come up with a new "tag" for their favorite or very powerful mutants, it is not factual unless stated by the writers/editors or written in the comics/handbooks. It is too opinionated and that is why this page has gathered a little dust over this time. It was first brought up in one of the comics and never developed into a new category. --M1shawhan 18:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- It has been stated in comic that Craig Hollis, aka, Mr. Immortal, is the first Omega level mutant. He's actually considered Homo s. Supreme, according to Deathurge. - MFGreth1 20:26, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
- Where was this stated?--edkaufman (talk) 08:19, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
"no...more...mutant levels"[]
I removed all of the mutant levels except the ones that had a reference. There was one: Legion. There are three more that are still on here, because they have possible references given, but are still unconfirmed. Feel free to add more, if you can confirm them.
- Agreed! I believe this will be put into site-wide policy. Mutant levels can only be added if a reference is added as well.
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 17:21, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
Jean Grey[]
Perhaps I am not understanding but why hasn't Jean Grey been added to this list? When I think of Omega level mutants, she's the first one that pops to mind yet I see no evidence or arguments for her on this list. I am not sure when the first time she is mentioned as Omega level is but I know she was specifically called one in Phoenix: Endsong. The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShadowMagus316 (talk • contribs).
- Jean Grey herself isn't an Omega, though the Phoenix Force likely would be, if it were a human and a mutant. That's the catch. Jean Grey on her own has some moderate Telepathy and Telekinesis, but with the Phoenix Force inside her, her powers are increased. This doesn't change her classification because it's not a result of her Mutant abilities, it's the result of an alien entity.
- We've reviewed the quote you mentioned in Endsong once before (though obviously not on this page), and took it to mostly be a mistake on the part of the writer (I believe, it's been awhile).
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 16:36, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
- As an update to this, I'd like to mention that Professor X specifically calls Jean out as an Omega Level Mutant in New X-Men #128. He does this while specifically knowing that the Phoenix is inside of her, but deliberately calling Jean herself an omega. It would seem that his impressions of her at the time were of Omega status, and that the Phoenix enhanced those levels.
- Of course, that's Grant Morrison's run, so that probably explains the weirdness too.
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 16:45, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining the issue to me. I myself was reviewing the quote in Endsong and I really don't see the reason for the debate. It seems pretty clear to me that she is an Omega Level mutant. Yes, she became more powerful after the Phoenix Force first merged with her but it was attracted to her because of her potential. It became one with her because of their compatibility, it seems to me that if someone had more potential(as in they were an Omega all on their own) then the Phoenix would've jumped ship, so to speak. I personally feel like the Phoenix aims for Omega level mutants, but only if Jean Grey isn't available because she is the Omega level mutant that she is most compatible with.
In any case, my question seems kinda moot since somebody added her back onto the list. Thank you.
Scarlet Witch[]
Alright, I'm uncertain if people have been trough this before, but I think that adding Scarlet Witch to this list would be perfectly plausible; while I haven't read the comics it is quite easily seen that her powers are effectively limitless - her powers are after all so great that she can effectively rearrange the multiverse onto her liking, warp reality however she so pleases - bring back the dead, I can go on and on here (which is precisely the point), while there are many other characters that I feel should be added to this list, the Scarlet Witch is pretty much the only one whose powers are great enough for me to be capable of justifying this claim.
It is also worth noting that her powers are so tremendous that Charles Xavier believed that she had to be killed: And her powers subsequently resisted the depowering attembs of Charles and Doctor Strange - and even prevailed over the Eye of Agamotto weilded by the latter. In the house of M she even depowered around ninety percent of the Mutant Population, and severed the bond between a Sorcerer Supreme and the magical energies, this in itself would in my opinion be enough to ascertain her place as Omega-Level, but I'll continue nevertheless to set my arguments in stone if you may.
She was further capable of healing Xaviers legs, where other very powerful mutants had failed for countless years, yes indeed otherwordly entities alltogether! She is also strongly implied to be capable of deleting the Mutate Genome made by the almost Omnipotent Celestials. The power of her spells are also noted by Doctor Strange as being so powerful and so complex that they effectively weave themselves into reality and alters it permanently as a result.
If you ask I can provide more reasons! And the references to the comics where these are stated are on article in her powers and abilities section. --Njalm2 12:18, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- It might be plausible, but unless there's a reference from the comics stating that she's an Omega, she won't make it onto the list. Of yourse, you're absolutely right about the immensity of her powers, but with Wanda, many things remain unclear. Was she a mutant? Without a doubt. But isn't it possible that her rather miniscule powers became magnified by something else altogether (as happened to the original Jean Grey) - in which case she wouldn't be an Omega. So, as long as it doesn't say so in the comics, she's not on the list.--edkaufman (talk) 12:08, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
- I suppose that is highly logical - and I guess that given the fact that she, without the "blessing" of Chthon, would only be a standard Energy Manipulating mutant like Magneto himself. And I suppose that that very blessing would likely make her into another "Jean Grey" case, despite how long she had those chaothic powers. --Njalm2 12:42, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't Franklin Richards, Robert Drake and Mad Jim Jaspers be added to this list? --AskaniSon 15:41, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Iceman is already in the list. Franklin and Jaspers was never stated to be a omega-level mutants. Apparently they are omega-level (such as Jean, Wanda, Mr. M., Storm, etc.), but until they would be confirmed in comics, they wouldn't added to list. --Harasar 16:12, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, i failed to see Iceman before. I have one more question. Why are Jean grey and Rachel Summers considered considered omega level when only are at that level when they have the phoenix's power? --AskaniSon 22:34, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
according to the X-Men: The 198 Files #1 franklin and Mr. M are omega level mutants. I never read them but their pages state so, and I read the article about emma and psylocke so i think they can be added to the list.
- The difference is the 198 files say that they're "omega level mutants". Emma and Xavier have only been called Omega Level Telepaths. So far, we don't know if that's the same thing and no comic or handbook has ever clarified this. And PSylocke has never been called anything of the sorts in the comics or handbooks.--edkaufman (talk) 20:23, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
Scarlet Witch's power is the combination of mutantion and magic. It is hard to figure out whether her influence on the Omniverse in HoM was mostly based on her hexes. In addition, whether the character is Omega should be determined by the reference to the comic. Mad Jim Jaspers is very powerful, but he should not be recognized as a omega level mutant due to the lack of reference. --MadJimJaspers 18:44, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
emma frost[]
Emma frost should be added she has been confirm to be omega level (Sonicwave567 02:42, December 11, 2011 (UTC))
Matt Fraction: Yeah. She’s stuck in diamond form. She’s an omega class telepath. She can’t risk giving the Void access to that. So, the X-Man’s telepath is stuck in a diamond
here is site writer confirms she omega addd her to list thank you http://www.emmafrostfiles.com/2009/09/fraction-discusses-emma-frost-in-nation-x/
- Omega level telepath and omega level mutant are two different things.--Harasar 09:24, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
if you add emma and plylocke you should also add professor x --AskaniSon 19:07, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
Hope[]
did i miss something when did hope get confirm omega level (Sonicwave567 02:47, December 11, 2011 (UTC))
- In X-Men: Phoenix Force Handbook #1--Harasar 09:24, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
Elizabeth Braddock[]
I just got an email saying that Elizabeth Braddock was added to the list but i can't see her? Is it just me or someone removed her? --AskaniSon 21:51, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
it was removed because no reference was given.--edkaufman (talk) 22:32, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
here are the references:Psylocke Receives Mega Power Boost and Big things coming for Psylocke
now you can put it back--AskaniSon 22:44, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
three things: 1) omega-level telepath isn't the same as omega level mutant. 2) interviews aren't proper references. unless it's mentioned in a comic, it's irrelevant what a one-time writer thinks about a character. 3) comicvine is never, never a good resource. for anything.--edkaufman (talk) 08:10, June 19, 2012 (UTC)