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Naming conventions of different cultures

I propose we delete this text from section Marvel Database:Naming Conventions#Character Pages:

Characters use the naming convention of their own culture. The Chinese list their surname first, etc.
Example: Xi'an Coy Manh

We should use same naming convention as our sources (comics, handbooks). See also Talk:Kwan Zhao (Earth-616)#Naming and Talk:Tang Jhimon (Earth-616)#Naming. —Mrkermit (talk) 18:36, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

I don't have many recent Handbooks, so I haven't seen the entries for those two. Does anyone have a Handbook that shows those references?
As for a Naming Convention change, we can certainly remove that section and say that we will follow the Handbooks.
Artful Dodger (talk) 13:05, May 28, 2016 (UTC)
I think that only Handbook reference is given on Talk:Tang Jhimon (Earth-616). It contradicted our naming policy so I removed the policy text, like proposed on opening post. —Mrkermit (talk) 18:56, May 29, 2016 (UTC)
Works for me.
Artful Dodger (talk) 21:26, May 29, 2016 (UTC)

Exceptions for the capitlization of "van" in a page name

I think it should be specified for the word "van" that there are exceptions when it comes to capitalizing the letter "v" in it, such as if a character for example has Belgian descent, for example Victor Van Damme (Earth-1610). But I am note sure how we should specify the exceptions for that word in the list for general conventions.

KalKent (Anton) (Earth-1218) (talk) 19:24, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
How does THIS look? —Mrkermit (talk) 20:14, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
Maybe, but I instead of the exception just being under the list of words, it should specify that it's for the word "van", followed immediately by an example, rather than having the example directly under the exception. The reason I'm asking is because I'm not an expert when it comes to how Wikia formats it all. I was thinking the way Wikipedia does where they have "notes" as citations.
KalKent (Anton) (Earth-1218) (talk) 20:23, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm not really sure what you mean. I wrote that exception thinking we should follow the style from the comics and we should not care about real world conventions. If you meant that on unclear cases we should capitalize Van if the character is a Belgian, I'm not against it. Besides, as I examined these naming conventions, I guess that Americans can choose to capitalize names as they wish so would that exception affect also to Victor von Doom? —Mrkermit (talk) 21:10, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
I agree with the exception, but would also point out there should be a preference for cases where sources conflict. I've seen both "Janet van Dyne" and "Janet Van Dyne" for example.
- LoveWaffle (talk) 21:27, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
I first meant to write most commonly used but then realised that we should give more weight to more canonical sources like handbook citation over Golden Age comics. As we don't have any Canon policy, I wasn't able to word it better. —Mrkermit (talk) 22:06, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Capitalization of page titles

I propose that we stop using capital letters on every word in page titles (capital letter in the first word is a technical requirement). We should follow sentence case and capitalize titles same as in elsewhere (proper nouns and other rules). I think that it's aesthetically more pleasing but the biggest advantage would be easier linking as the page name would be same as in the article text. Wikilinks are case sensitive after the first word so with a policy change we could drop piped linking from eg. Alicia Masters' Home, Ringmaster's Hat, Cyclops' Motorcycle. We have pages like Peter Quill's father (Earth-199999) and Glossary:Comic Book which have stood years against our naming policies just because they are better names without capitalization. Even zillion members category pages have defiled this rule, like Category:X-Men members. —Mrkermit (talk) 00:26, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

"No. If it was a proper title, it would, but this is a utility page, so to speak."
I would like some uniformity, but have no strong opinion one way or the other regarding sentence case. Just thought his response to my earlier question was something worth bringing up.
- LoveWaffle (talk) 00:44, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
  • I personally prefer using title case, as we're dealing with a title after all, though I have to say I find sentence case to look better for categories. I don't know why. In order to reach uniformity, I'd choose title case over sentence case.
    --The ADour-incible ADour (talk) 01:05, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

It's good to know that Spencer has agreed with me earlier but unfortunately it won't help us now. I think that his answer and Adour's comment about sentence case with category names reflect the fact that 99.5 % of article names are proper nouns anyway. But pages on other namespaces have relatively much more pages which would be affected by the proposed change, eg. Category:Multiple Mouths, Category:Mental Health Professionals, Category:Weapon Users. On Help namespace sentence case is already widely used. Maybe it's because title case isn't used on Europe, I don't even like the look of those titles, although title case is used purely for aesthetical reasons. Would it be possible to allow sentence case on other namespaces excluding the main?Mrkermit (talk) 19:01, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be opposing opinions about this but before proceeding I want to make clear what I'm going to change.

  • Capitalize every word in the title in the main namespace (except as above). The convention prevents the confusion of whether certain words should be capitalized or not. (eg. Senator Kelly for President, not Senator Kelly for president)
  • Use sentence case in the title in the other namespaces. Capitalize only the first word and proper nouns. (eg. Category:Weapon users, not Category:Weapon Users)
Mrkermit (talk) 11:14, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
At first glance, it seems too simplist. Category:Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division members, and many other pages, combine both. There aren't just two general cases. Also, pages like Marvel Films and Marvel Television Series contradict each other...--Shabook (talk) 11:33, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
Category:Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division members is already written in sentence case because SHIELD is a proper name/noun. It's against our current policy and isn't affected by the proposed change. Marvel Films is written in sentence case in the main namespace so it's against our policy. I first tried to propose a policy change to rename Marvel Television Series to Marvel television series but it failed to reach a consensus. —Mrkermit (talk) 16:22, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Naming conventions on television series that shares a name with a different page

What is our current stance on the naming conventions of shows that shares a name with something else, and for live-action and animated shows? Should all shows, regardless if they're live-action or animated, have "(TV series)" (or the occasional "(XXXX TV series)" where the "XXXX" is the year)? Or should only live-action ones have "(TV series)" while animated ones have "(animated series)"?

If so, there should be a standard in terms of capitalization of the words. For example, shows like The Thing (animated series) and Fantastic Four (1967 animated series) are correct, while Ultimate Spider-Man (animated series) and Spider-Man: Unlimited (animated series) (which only has "(animated)" and not "(animated series)" as part of its title) are wrong.

KalKent (Anton) (Earth-1218) (talk) 19:48, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

Just as an experiment, I googled "X-Men TV series" and "X-Men animated series". The latter gave me results exclusively for the animated series from the 1990s, even though its official title is just "X-Men". We list it with the common albeit unofficial title "X-Men: The Animated Series" while Wikipedia lists it as "X-Men (TV series)" and IMDb has it as "X-Men (TV Series 1992-1997)". A lot of superhero cartoons from the 90s are commonly given the unofficial subtitle "The Animated Series" (i.e. Batman: The Animated Series). The former search gave me results for not only that series but for Legion and the upcoming series The Gifted. "Animated series" might be better for specificity's sake.
- LoveWaffle (talk) 20:51, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
I assumed that whenever an animated show has "The Animated Series" as part of its title, that it was its full official title, like on Wikipedia for Silver Surfer. That is sometimes enough to distinguish itself from others shows that happen to share the same name.
KalKent (Anton) (Earth-1218) (talk) 20:58, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

Inconsistency with aritcles

Why is "the" not to be capitalized by "a" and "an" are? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 08:38, 22 May 2021 (UTC)