On behalf of the AdMod team I'm going to ask that you please cease with the excessive unilaterally category creation. We kindly suggest that you first utilize Board:Suggestions to make a case for what value a proposed category would bring to the site, so that community consensuses can be reached. Thanks.
On behalf of the rest of the Administrator team, I'm going to ask you to please stop creating articles for such specific and small-scale historical events with technically little relevancy to the Marvel Universe like Eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD or Chernobyl Disaster. The information of both of these pages could perfectly fit in Mount Vesuvius and Chernobyl, respectively.
Please take into account that the Marvel Database is an encyclopedia focused first and foremost on events pertaining solely to the Marvel Universe(s), it's unnecessary to create articles for historial events, especially when many of them have little difference to their counterparts in the real world.
While I'm commenting on the relevancy of the page Glossary:Thirteen Colonies, I wanted to point out that you used a reference that doesn't mention much of the paragraph you've written.
I understand errors as such can occur on corrections, but that shouldn't happen on pages' creation. Please stick to what is actually mentioned or told in the original material (even when real-life stuff are reported incorrectly in those, they usually end up being revised in other versions, and differences could be presented in a note or trivia maybe).
After reviewing and cleaning up your recent edits in Bolivar Trask (Earth-616) (in addition to having kept track of your edits over time), I've concluded that your usual M.O. for contributing to this site doesn't act in accordance to our Manual of Style.
It appears as if your contributions are stitched together from different sources, switching between tones of language and even verb tenses. Pieces of information are brought up without any context to help understand them, and ideas are not connected with each other. Furthermore, the way certain pieces of information are relayed from the sources you list as references makes it seem like you didn't actually read those issues you're citing.
I'm going to ask you to please improve your editing style. Read the comics that you cite, use connectors to link ideas and create a flow so the article reads like an actual encyclopedic profile, improve your grammar, and make sure that you can read an article you update from start to finish and it feels like it was written by a single person. Your desire to help contribute to this site is appreciated, but it's damaging to our site if the information is presented in a way that seems careless and shoddy.
I'm sorry if my edits are causing any issues, I thought I was helping. I try to only work on the neglected pages, those without anyone else working on them or if they have no references. Yes I have read all the issues, I read digital versions of all the comics I have referenced online. All I can do is apologise, and hopefully I can improve my working. I may be concentrating a little bit to much on referencing rather then the information being expressed. I like to co-operative nature of the site and when I can a page started and on other users radar, and after that the page grows and improves naturally. I will see what I can do and will try to be more mindful with my edits. Thank you for your time.
Oh, yes, I wrote that five years ago. Maybe I can dig out some of those issues and add the information? Would that help? Do you have anything on that list?
But the main issue on that article is that the text seems to be verbatim from the original Official Handbooks. That must be re-written. Can you take care of that while I have a look at my collection?
What I'm sure I cannot do is a complete, exhaustive work for a character with no less than 54 appearances. That overwhelms me.
Pleased to meet you, Hyde, let's see if I can help. -Skippy Farlstendoiro (talk) 21:02, April 7, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah I have been reading all his appearances thanks to digital comics. I have not read any handbooks yet so any help there would be great. I will see what I can do as I'm trying to get it all in chronological order.
OK, hello, I got news on this subject.
Most of the text about Ulysses's general history was added in November, 2005, by someone called "Lou", who has been missing since. That part of the text was copied word by word from the Handbook. This is frowned upon both in general, by the Marvel Fandom wiki and by me. See here. This must be changed. Tell the same story if you will, but with other words - after all, it's good to re-tell a story, but if you use Peter Sanderson's prose which is published, that enters in conflict with Wikis being creative commons license and stuff. Am I making my point here, or just digressing?
I'm checking the Handbooks, I think I have all of them available. They seem to deal mostly with Ulysses' origin and death (comics published until 1978) Several Handbooks re-print the text, that's not a problem. But I should review the original comics "Rampaging Hulk" and stuff, so I can "weave" the details from the Handbooks in the same paragraphs.
I'd like to suggest an action plan for you and me, if you will? I take care of the sections on Ulysses' origin, death and events around that (Prehistoric Origins, Around the Ages, Conspiracy, Death); you take care of the rest of his history; and we both contribute to the other sections (Powers, Aliases, Base of Operations, etc). Wanna try that and we see how it goes?
Any question you have, any other suggestion, anything at all, please write. I'm eager to help.
Hi Farlstendoiro, that sounds like a great plan. I have just completed reading the Marvel Universe Vol 1 adventures of the Monster Hunters. Yeah I have tried to write everything myself from scratch to stop any copy right issues. That would be amazing if you could help with his origin. An admin called Undoniel referenced all his aliases and bases which was great. I'm not sure of the powers yet as I have not read any of his handbook entry's.
Like any category, and especially this one that is often subjective or hypothetical, you need to add a note (I usually use this one) or trivia, preferably with at most as possible some kind of reference (comparison to the source material, marvel appendix's page, interviews or articles...), in order to justify it.
I understand it may seem obvious why the category should be added, but the goal isn't to add categories to pages, but to add content, the category being a way to find the collection of pages containing said content.
Thanks to complete the involved page and you could have edited in the same way.
Hi, Hyde. I write to report work progress. This is a bit slower that I'd expected, but I'm on it. Ulysses waited for ten thousand years, I guess he can wait one more week. Also, I have more open fronts.
I'm currently researching each and every of Ulysses's original appearances, aiming to cross-reference that information with the text of the Handbooks; thus reading it, taking notes. As I said, I'll only work with the sections dealt in the Handbooks, mostly dealing with 1970s comics; but the most recent Handbooks mention events from recent comics, such as Monster Hunters, so this is going to be tricky - either I wait for you to expand those sections, then I add the information; or I add those chunks of data and later you incorporate those into your paragraphs. Also, I researched Handbook entries on characters related to Ulysses, mostly Conspiracy and Centurius (not to be confused with Centurious); and I'm taking notes of inconsistencies and irregularities to include them in a different section like Notes or Trivia.
In the process, whenever I find an article that can be easily expanded -like Marseille Provence Airport, Mombasa, Torg or something easy to add to Ulluxy'l Kwan Tae Syn (Earth-616)-, I add it on the fly.
I'm having trouble with enchanting Elsa, as I'm not really familiar with her entire exploits, I'd like to leave her in your capable hands for now. I'm not talking about expanding Elsa's article completely, but her relationship with Ulysses should be included.
I tend to visit this wiki's discord channel regularly. If you do so, maybe we could meet in discord and debate about this project?
Ok Thanks for responding, Ok, nice work on those other pages. Please let me know when you are working on the Ulysses Bloodstone (Earth-616) page any help you can provide there would be very much appreciated. Good lukc with your editing.
While researching the events in Veracruz narrated in Tales of Suspense Vol 1 9, an unnamed character confronts an alien called Diablo and apparently that person was later retconned to be Ulysses Bloodstone. One source for that is Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Vol 1 14 (2010). Previously, Diablo was supposedly mentioned in Marvel Monsters: From the Files of Ulysses Bloodstone Vol 1 1 (2005). However, I've reviewed From the Files and I can only find Diablo in a list of monsters. I cannot find any page in From the Files that specifies whether Diablo met Bloodstone or not. As we're working together on this and I understand you also have a copy of From the Files, I ask you: Can you find any other reference to Diablo?
Great. Now I have all the information I needed for my sections, everything in careful notes. I only need some time to write those as valid paragraphs, then upload them to the article. One section each time.
OK, this is almost ready. I'll probably upload it either today or tomorrow, then I'll report it to you. I'm going to ask you for some help in the results:
Rampaging Hulk Vol 1 included some articles called "Notes from Eden" that gave information on Bloodstone in text format. The copies of RH I can access do not have these articles. I'll see if I can find them. If possible, keep an eye on those yourself.
Also, I think maybe the powers and abilities should be reworded so that the verbs are in past tense... Maybe you could give them a look and edit those?
Lastly, I'm not a native English speaker, so I won't feel angry at all, quite the opposite, if you review my prose and edit it where needed, mutatis mutandis.
I'll send you a line when I'm done my first batch of editing.
One personal curiosity: Have you ever seen, even in photograph, a cosplayer dressed as Ulysses Bloodstone?
oh... Bizarre Adventures vol 2 #1 (2019). I totally missed that one. Will give it a look at some point.
In the meanwhile, I have a number of notes from the guide books that I have not added to the article. - e.g., Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Vol 1 2 says that Ulysses met the Blonde Phantom during World War 2. My idea is that you or someone else research that part and, once you've written a paragraph on whatever happened with Ulysses and the Blonde during WW2, I can add a reference to that Handbook. I'm leaving those notes on hold for now.
I'm going to ask you to refrain from creating pages in the vein of the articles you created for each of Taskmaster's suit, katana, shield, bow and sword. Little work went into their creation and nothing that can be said about each can't be simply included in the equipment section of Taskmaster's article.
Ok cool, I was just getting the pages for the release of the Black Widow film. No problem, I thought if they were featured in a comic, handbook and movie we could create the page. I started the pages to work on overtime I didn't realise there was a time limit. Sorry if I have caused an issues. Thanks.
I'm so sorry that was not my intention, I thought I was making a positive contribution. I did not know that was a rule, all I can do is offer my apologise and try and correct the fault. Any help you can provide would be very much appreciated. I will start by removing the information added from Glossary:Synthezoid on the Synthezoid page. Thanks again.
After going over some of your most recent contributions, I'm going to ask you to please take your time to review your edits before publishing them. Please remember that all content in this site should strive to showcase an appropriate level of proficiency in English. It is also mandatory to use past tense in the History section of articles.
I also want to remind you about another important aspect of contributing, which is to avoid second-hand information. Make sure you have read the comics about which you add information. Building up a History section using pieces of text from other sources stitched together is bound to create something that doesn't read well, and is going to be detrimental for the quality of the site.
This being said, I have gone over several of your most recent edits and improved them. You can see Justice Peace (Earth-869371) for an example.
Yes understood, sorry I'm learning as I go along. I hope the pages I am working on will inspire other users to help improve the article. I enjoy the collaborative nature of Wikia, so I am hoping my short falls and gaps in knowledge can be supported by other users. Thank you for your help and correction, I will try and improve the paragraph.
I understand your desire to help the site, and it's true that the collaborative nature of the wiki means any shortcomings in your edits can be spotted and corrected by other users.
However, you should never consider that possibility as a certainty, and you should never make edits based on the assumption somebody else will correct them. Please understand it can be frustrating for other editors to see themselves forced to basically pick up after you.
Please, whenever you create a new page, don't pass over writing some history text.
It's important to take into account that the purpose of this wiki is to provide the information of any given Marvel subject to visitors who want to know about it. Having pages with barely any information at all is counterproductive of us and discouraging for the readers, who would click on the link for a page only to find a "History of character is unknown" when the article has much more potential than that.