Hey there, Kirkburn from the support team here! (Note: I have sent this on Slack as well if you would like to chat there.)
We have a DMCA complaint for 28 images (plus their usages on article), and it looks like the ideal solution would be just to fix the attribution. Do you think you could help with that, or point me to which admin would be best to assist?
My name is TRE - I'm a global discussion moderator. Your Wiki has come up on our database as something that we could potentially help with.
Building a community
Blocking those who wish to destory/disrupt
With your permission, I'd like to assign myself to this community and get started right away. As it stands, there are 1272 reports in discussions. Would you be alright if I assigned myself and potentially another GDM?
In general I've been the Admin handling the DiscoMod's requests for help with unruly members the past several months. I don't see an issue with your helping them out. For the most part our team members there don't interact with the rest of us here very much nor on Discord. We've invited them before, and have set up a role for them there, but they hadn't shown up as far as we know, so if you could help strengthen the unity between their actions and the rest of the AdMod team, that would be great.
Hey Jamie, I like invite you some trouble I am having with one of the admins AnnabellRice. I can't get into spefics right now since in my timezone it's 1:30 a.m. and I have to get to bed but if you can looks over some of the talk pages involving characters from Earth-807128 about the disagreements between the both of us. I am not condemning the Admin for anything nothing but respect through and through but I feel as in my own opinion that some Admins take this I know more stuff than you personification at times. I have recently returned to the Marvel database after an almost 2 year sabbatical due to mostly medical conditions but a small part of been because of this attitude in yet again my own opinion and perspective. I returned about 3 months ago to commit myself to this site again because I consider it the main go to place on all things Marvel and thought maybe the Admins have become alot more seasoned with time. When i first started I got in huge disagreements with ADour but as time has gone by since 2013 I have come to know ADour as an excellent go to person. Same with Undoniel. Some of the best editors a person can know. I just seem to feel cornered by Annabell alot even if I don't express it because it hasn't affected by personal and professional life in either way up till now per say. I have recently seen one of your long standing Content Moderators Nausiated leave after years with being on the site due to certain things which he explained in a blog that was later erased by another admin. But the idea of me sticking around since I have been a member of this great community since 2012 is being circumvented from my perspective. I don't know if I could go on. I spent hours a day contributing sometimes even at the expense of being around my 14 year old son, and I hope from one father to another you might at least understand. I know my son is older and your kids don't wanna hang around the old man when they become teenagers which is pretty much every teen. But the sacrifices I have made, all due to my own decisions and not the databases for spending more time here then my own children. But my son is finally at a point where the Marvel movies and comics is starting to rub off on him which for me is pretty amazing as I as got into comics at a way earlier age and my son at the time didn't care for the same kind of stuff. I glad he finally came around anyways I am glad I am a part of this larger community but the style of language from some of the Admod team I think needs to be more copacetic than that of a Drill Sargent. Thank you taking out the team ton hopefully read this.
Gijimu, I think you jumped the gun here. Annabell's concerns regarding the status of those characters she asked about were valid, and she addressed them appropriately.
She would have abused her administrative powers if she had done something like outright move Impulse's page. Instead, she simply added the move tag and started the discussion in the talk page, like any user should do. She didn't even edit Warbird and Gladiator's respective pages to remove the affiliation you had added that is the matter of debate.
I'm not trying to berate you. I understand being protective of pages one has worked on, and I see this simply as a knee-jerk reaction, especially since I've followed the discussion a little bit and things are calm. Your contributions since your return are appreciated, the work on Old Man Quill, Royals and the Infinity-based What If?, not to mention the tidy-up and creation of galleries for many less specific articles from different parts of the site.
I'm going to take this opportunity to talk about something you addressed tangentially, which is Nausiated's blog. I don't like to talk about this situation because it aggrieves me, but I figure with truthfulness comes transparency. Assuming you've read all of it, I will start by saying that the blog post comes from a place of ignorance. Nausiated made many remarks regarding a situation of which he doesn't have the full picture. Back when I was blocked in December, my situation was monitored by the Director of FANDOM's Community Support, Sannse. I was blocked for 38 days, a time during which she tried the accuser to provide more concise evidence, but nothing came out of it. The situation was treated with severity. Authorities and FANDOM's legal staff were allegedly involved, and back in December 21, when I was blocked I didn't even know why until I submited a report ticket.
I don't need to go into details, but for an example of the accuser's questionability, they claimed my transgression ocurred on Facebook. However, they reported me to FANDOM instead, a site tangential to the matter. Considering how privy Facebook is, the accuser could have reported my profile, and if the accusations were true, Facebook would've been able to ban me and contact local authorities with the snap of a finger. During the time of my block, I researched on my own the conditions under which Facebook could divulge a user's chat log to a third party (FANDOM in this case), and I told Sannse about it, because I had nothing to hide, save for an akward crush confession from 2012.
Furthermore, in the blog post, Nausiated accused the other members of the AdMod team of not taking the situation seriously and said they should've gone to Jamie. And that's exactly what they did. Annabell contacted Jamie and he greenlit the accuser's block. The only action any member of the AdMod team took before informing Jamie was to revert the vandalism to the affected articles. The accuser was loose for almost four hours before he was blocked, which risked he continued vandalizing, but we did it because we treaded the situation lightly.
Yeah it does make sense, and considering your problem I kinda learned a little bit, but knowing you through all these years, I can say with a definite yes that I know your not capable of the actions for which you were blamed for. That is a given and I just mentioned the whole Nausiated thing only because being a member of the ADmod for so long and then quitting was just a sad thing since he has been here longer than me. I didn't try to proclaim anything on your part as I never mentioned you but you know this already. It just sad to see people leave from something as incredible as the database.
And I guess that Annabell might not used to me as an editor as she started as an admin a little before I left the wiki, which is just my own perspective I could be wrong. And I know you allow me some breathing space because I think we both have an understanding of each other over the years which I am grateful for.
While I don't think Nausiated's blog addressed the matters it talked about appropriately and we have had our issues with him occasionally, I respected his contributions to the wiki. It's always a pain to see contributors leave. Last year, The Many-Angled One also decided to step down.
I also have say that I was glad to see your name pop up in the Wiki Activity feed after so long. Speaking of our mutual understanding, hopefully you and Annabell also reach one. She's stringent, but she's diligent and cautious, and makes sure to see eye to eye with users before making decisions.
Understood. I thought you and Undoniel were taking a break because when I first came back I was unaware that you were blocked, which I found really strange because that type of behavior, you've never demonstrated anything even the simplest thing about that headache. With you it was always about Marvel this and Iron Man that. Your dedication to our Armored friend is above reproach. I have an affinity for Cannonball and the more obscured character Michael Pointer which I sought would of made some real waves after his big entrance as the Collective in the New Avengers series but I guess the idea didn't work like I thought it would even though he was created by Bendis and McNiven. I keep hoping one day he will see glory especially since my first favorite writer Hickman is taking over X-Men but I know he won't touch the character either. Al Ewing comes in at #2 on my favorite writers list.
I'm also a big fan of Al Ewing, he's my favorite writer... I don't mean to cut this short, but since we've put a lid on the issue with Annabell, we should probably take it away from here at the very least, to avoid spamming Jamie's wall with chat that is off-topic.
This AngryParent1977 character is back and still making the same claims as he did before. This time he's resorted to vandalizing pages and uploading nsfw images to get attention. Please deal with this situation.
Hi Jamie, how are you? This is Chen from Fandom. As you may have noticed with the new change of our Community Org, our team will be highly focused on building a closer relationships with our communities, admins and users than before. As one of the Community Managers, I will be together with our Wiki Manager Marcus to fully support this wiki, help you and other admins solve any issues/concerns on this wiki, partnership with you guys for any exciting relevant projects, and make this wiki more attractive and successful.
Long in short - we are here to fully support any needs you may have to make this community keep growing successfully. If you and other admins need any help, feel free to directly contact Marcus or me any time. We will be always in touch! Any questions? :)
As you were told before it doesn't work like that, new moderators and administrators are suggested by the current people representing those roles, if we think you deserve a promotion one of us will suggest it, and it will go to a vote. Asking for it doesn't make you a likelier candidate.
This is a serious incident involving one of your users exploiting and blackmailing my child. I have gotten the police involved. I do not appreciate the condescending attitude young man. If you're done being a smug little jerk, kindly fetch your keeper and butt out of the conversation.
Please watch the angry tone, angry parent. I'm just telling you that is extremely unlikely that Jamie will answer this message, so if the matter is that urgent, it's better that you talk to somebody active in the site.
Sorry. But I am very upset by this. I expect a lot more urgency when someone using your service is exploiting a minor. If this Jamie is unavailable, tell me who is in a position of authority around here.
ADour is one of our most active Administrators, as am I, plus I guarantee there are other Admin that have been following this thread as well. We have the ability to view deleted or edited messages, etc., to get to the bottom of any complaint, but we need a starting point to be able to address your concern, until then there's not much we can do when we've not been told where the alleged issue took place nor at the very least who the alleged perpetrator or victim are.
For the record, I will not be revealing the identity of my child. I do not want them to be open to any harassment from their abuser and I do not want them to be re-victimized during this process.
As for who the individual is. It is one of your administrators. That's why I want to speak to someone of a higher authority. How do I know you guys aren't going to protect each other? I want someone with some authority dealing with this, not a bunch of kids who do this as a hobby.
Every member of the admin team has almost the same level of authority as Jamie. We are not in the place we are in the heriarchy of this site by virtue of being "a bunch of kids." Each of us has been approved by Jamie and no member of the admin team is underaged.
Above all else we strive to provide a healthy community in the Marvel Database, and I consider that no member should be exempt from facing consequences for their actions because they are an administrator or a moderator. None of these badges are a free pass.
If you are being genuine, I am more than willing to listen to your concerns. So I ask that you stop undermining us.
I am obviously very upset to hear about this situation involving one of our community members, especially an administrator. For the sake of your privacy and the privacy of your child, let's take this serious matter out of this public forum and into email.
Thank you very much for bringing this urgent issue to our attention. As a community, and as a parent myself, we would always aim to safeguard our youngest and most vulnerable community members and have a zero-tolerance policy to those who would seek harm them. We will get to the bottom of this together.
Please contact me via email at firstname.lastname@example.org. In your email, please also copy email@example.com and firstname.lastname@example.org so we can ensure all the right people are involved in the conversation to assist you right away.
Hello. I am applying for the administrator position. I have a lot of experience editing Wikis and enforcing rules. I edit Wikipedia a lot, and when my kids were in elementary school, I spent a year working as a lunch/recess monitor. I have the confidence that I can handle the administrator position. Thank you for reading my request.
While your request for adminship is appreciated, we don't accept requests from new users. We don't accept requests at all, really, special user rights are a privilege granted to long-standing contributors in recognition for their help and dedication towards the Marvel Database.