Jr. is usually reserved for when someone is the son (as in only for male characters since that's what it's generally used for) of someone with the same name. If the character is related by blood, but not their son, but named after them, we use II at the end of their name (like Benjamin Parker II). If they're not related at all, and the same name is just coincidental, then use parentheses to distinguish them (Thunderball and Clown being an example).
For Sr., I think we use it for once who are introduced as such, like Jay Jameson. We don't add it to the page name later on for a character, who has a son and gives them their own name.
It's a complicated question, in real life there are three types of juniors, the first being a son who has Jr. actually legally included on their birth certificate, and the second simply sharing the same name as their father and thus being an unofficial Jr. simply to avoid confusion. Traditionally the father would then assume an unofficial Sr. designation to likewise avoid confusion, and both unofficial designations would often be dropped upon the father's death.
The third type of junior is similar to the second, an unofficial designation that follows a family who carries a tradition of naming an individual after their father. In this case the first generation would have no suffix while the second generation would be denoted with the Roman numeral II, third generation a III, fourth generation a IV, etc. and the unofficial designation of Jr. would be applied to the younger generation as the older generation assumed the unofficial designation of Sr. and this changed from generation to generation as the senior passed away.
These seem to be a case where the sons are legally Jr. and the fathers would then be unofficially Sr. if multiple generations were alive; however, with Frank Jr.'s death, it's an unnecessary distinction for Frank; meanwhile, I believe Edward Sr. was given the designation to prevent it from being confused with the fact that ~99.9% of Edward Brock's without any suffix are in fact the son, not the father.
About Edward Brock Sr. (Earth-1610), the name of his page is spelt without a comma between his last name and Sr, unlike his son's page who has the comma written in between Brock and Jr. (Edward Brock, Jr. (Earth-1610).) I was wondering, would it make sense to move Eddie Sr.'s page to match his son's name?
Done and done. I was also hoping to ask about Frank Castle, Jr. (Earth-58732) and Frank Castle, Sr. (Earth-58732) from the 2004 Punisher film. After having gone through the film recently, I saw that both their names were spelt as "Francis Castle Jr./Sr." without commas. I already added move tags to both pages, since this seems to be their birth names as opposed to legally changed names like Punisher-616, but I was hoping to hear someone else's opinion, especially after realising that Frank Sr.'s name was spelt with a comma in the credits of the film.
Right now just for "Jr." suffix there are pages with ", Jr", ", Jr.", "Jr." and "Jr" variants. Sometime even alternate versions of the same character are named differently. For consistency purposes I suggest to change the Naming Convention and name all pages with "Jr.", "Sr." and other suffixes in the same consistent way, regardless of how their names are stated in comics and handbooks. The exact name should be stated and referenced in "RealName" field of Character Template, but pages should be all named in the same way.
The problem is, if we're going to go against the source material, we'd need a very solid reason for doing so, but none of the style manuals agree on which format is correct in this case. For example, I prefer the comma and that's backed by the USGPO Manual of Style, but someone else might prefer no comma, which the Chicago Manual of Style would support; however, neither is right nor wrong, it's just personal preference, and is personal preference a good reason to contradict the source material?
If there is no correct variant, we can just vote and choose one for ourselves and make it part of our manual of style. I don't think it is a contradiction to source material, as it is simply a different variant of displaying the same thing. I suggest to change only way of naming pages, not actual names of characters. Similar to how we name pages for characters with partially known name, like, for example, "Rogue (Anna Marie) (Earth-616)". She is not addressed as "Rogue (Anna Marie)" in source material, it's just the way we chose to name her page, while the page itself has "Anna Marie" as her real name and "Rogue" as alias. Or even better example - characters rarely, if ever, addressed with number of their home reality, but we have them in pagename to differentiate between various versions. What I suggest is just a cosmetic change to make all pages consistent.
I get what you're saying about putting it to a vote, but I'm not at all sure what you're trying to say about Rogue. We don't know her legal name and she necessitates a qualifier purely due to disambiguation issues, not because of anybody's personal preference. Can you provide an example of a character without a qualifier to make whatever point you're trying to make there?
My point is, we are not always name pages exactly like characters are addressed in the source material. Instead, we are using format we agreed upon, to name all pages in consistent way, while the exact name is provided on the actual page. I don't see any problem in adding a minor detail into format to use all suffixes the same way.
I was trying to make an edit to the Symbiote God's page when I got a message that the page had been blacklisted by the spam filter, and the entierty of the page's content was wiped clean. I can't even type the character's name without getting an error message.
I think it was blacklisted because the name is a vulgar word in some languages.
Edit: Apparently the issue stems from bitly links having been blocked on Fandom due to abuse, so any page that contains them has been blacklisted.
Greg Weisman (the show's creator), admitted that he wrote Spider-Man like he was Jewish owing to 1) that being how Stan Lee wrote him back in the day and 2) being Jewish himself. He also says he was going to mention that Peter's mother was of Jewish background in that universe.
Of course, this could be dismissed as not definitive enough. What do you think?
It's not trivia regarding the movie itself. Just a plot point for a movie that hasn't come out yet. An example I think of appropriate trivia would be the ones on Avengers: Endgame#Trivia, where it's related to behind-the-scenes and interviews with cast and crew.
And if said thing about the multiverse being a part of 'Far From Home' (assuming it ends up being true), then it might be spoiling for some people who just wants to read the cast list and credits before the movie comes out.
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We could just copy and paste plot synopsis from Wikipedia, but that would be plagiarizing. And it's not as easy summarizing the plot of a movie, as it is summarizing of a comic book or even a tv episode, since that's usually more draining of ones time.
People i know said that the new Marvel-Anime are either bonkers or just kiddy, but i think they are pretty awesome (with Future Avengers looking better then Disk Wars). Im not the greatest expert regarding Marvel, neither am i familiar with rules here, so could someone Update the Page of Earth TRN-642? Im sad to see not much of that Series, and i don't want to screw up
I've not seen anything of it either (apart from the intro and the fight scene of Hulk and Captain Marvel against Ares), since as far as I know there is no legal way for me to watch through said show (with or without subtitles), so I can't help you with that. I mainly created a page for the show and the reality, since I felt like people were glossing over the fact said show actually existed.
MCU wiki gives all of those characters separate pages named like "Sunil Bakshi (Framework)", which I don't think is right for this wiki either, as those aren't proper counterparts from an alternate universe. I was thinking maybe pushing them all to the Framework/Residents page, which would allow to both keep all Framework stuff in one place and also link to them from disambiguation pages. I also think this should only be done only for Framework recreations, while the main characters who were plugged in and actually lived those lives should not be included.
What do you think: should I bring more people in to this discussion, or am I allowed to proceed with the above? HBK123 (talk) 13:55, March 27, 2019 (UTC)
If they are different characters and have substainail details I would go with (Person (Framework) (Earth-199999) ) similar to how we treat Warp World or Heror Reborn. While it's a VR it could probably be treated as a pocket reality
Every single person has different history, but only a few play a prominent role in the plot. If you were to include cameo mentions and minor appearances, it would result in over 30 articles, which I don't think is productive, since very few people care to maintain TV articles anyway. MCU Wiki can afford it because of their more limited scope, but over here there are still redlinks for actual characters with 10+ appearances, and even main character pages stopped being updated years ago. I'm working on covering the most glaring omissions, but I still tend to just skip one-time appearances by non-comic characters, which Framework would have the majority of. Pushing them all on one page seems much more effective to me, and I don't know if any other virtual realities even have separate pages for them. HBK123 (talk) 14:23, March 27, 2019 (UTC)
Then in that case, I'm trying to switch over all these resident pages to be under one umbrella so they are easier to find I'd go with Character Index/Earth-199999 Framework Characters or some such, as long as they use the Character Index beginning
I was looking at Deadlands/Residents as an example. There's been a long discussion about it here, but the actual Framework article is still just a stub. Has there been any rules or consensus on how to title resident list pages? HBK123 (talk) 15:20, March 27, 2019 (UTC)
On the Deadlands it just hasn't been converted yet (Character Index/Deadlands or Character Index/Earth-13264), it's a big article. There are no rules or consensus, I'm trying to rein them into something easily findable.
I was hoping for a more elegant name that could be easily linked to from disambiguation pages. What about simply Character Index/Framework, then listing that as subsection of Earth-199999 on the Index main page? HBK123 (talk) 15:36, March 27, 2019 (UTC)
Is it okay to start adding Captain Marvel (film) spoilers yet? The movie has been out in most of the countries for almost 2 days now. Will I get banned for adding spoilers before proper U.S. release? HBK123 (talk) 12:08, March 7, 2019 (UTC)
You won't get banned for adding any, since this database is meant to be international. As long as it's gotten a wide release in whatever area, then it's considered release and open to be updated. If one wants to avoid spoilers until one has seen the movie, then one should stop visiting this site for a while. We used this also back when MCU movies came out 1 week before the US.