SeanWheeler

I'm terrible at summarizing movies. I could forget some things that happened, and maybe my writing would have a few typos and grammar errors. And besides, anyone who has seen the movie can verify that Tony died when he used the Infinity Stones to wipe out Thanos and his army. And a wiki is a collaborative community, so my edit listing Tony's death saves some effort to someone who would just be updating the history section. Unless you have doubts about Tony's death after his funeral, that appearance of death shouldn't be removed. Otherwise it could lead to an edit war if every single edit has to be perfect.

The contents of an article need to be in accordance with each other. A character's appearance of death can't be listed in the infbox if that information isn't reflected in the history text. It creates a disparity between the contents of the article and that is not acceptable.

Why are you advertising the Disney Wiki?

Because you seem a bit fixated in Disney Infinity 2.0 and i have seen the talk section on the page.

That's because of the huge focus on Marvel in the game. If I wanted to see Disney Wiki's version of the article, I would. If I want to read the Disney Infinity Wiki, I would. But I really believe Disney Infinity should have a TRN. The 2.0 edition is 75% Marvel.

Of course but it hasn't been decided upon by the Admins.

You've closed on the fact that you've decided to not cover the DC side. However, I'm still confused about why we are keeping red links. I can deal with you deciding not to cover Mission Marvel. I can ignore third-party characters like Doctor Who. But I can't handle red links to articles we don't cover. Red links are added to Wanted Pages. Also what is the point of leaving them red links if we're not going to create them? I mean we can learn some things from Doctor Who's article. And leaving Mission Marvel out can prevent coverage of a silly cartoon that has little to do with Marvel. But with the red links for DC characters? I do not find that a good solution at all. They get listed in Wanted Pages, meaning you're lying to the server. And since it led me to believe that we wanted DC articles, who knows if someone else gets led to believe that? That could lead to Superman's page getting created. Which would eventually get deleted. You don't want to have to delete Superman eight times, do you? You can protect Superman's page and the other DC character pages from being created, but that still makes the red links pointless. I really think black text is a much better solution. If DC Database could finally cover 7246, that'll be great. But the reality number had to be only official to one side of the crossover. We linked to New Earth characters for a while. Why couldn't we keep doing that? And Primestar suggested linking to the disambig pages. That's a great idea too. That way, people can find a Superman article they want to read about. But keeping red links? What's the point? Sorry for being so defiant, but I still find DC red links to be a problem.

it's not about the question whether we're going to cover them - that's an admin decision and as you might have noticed, there's been no agreement amongst the admins for now. But that's our problem, not yours. We have heard the suggestions, and we're debating. For the time being, we have decided that the ed links will stay. This means that you will leave them alone and you will not bring this up in the near future. You are obsessing with an issue of relatively minor relevance and you're constantly going on everyone's nerves with it. Please. Stop. Seriously.

Okay okay, I'll leave it alone for a while. Sure hope you could decide faster.

Okay fine. I'll leave you guys alone. And I question why I brought a discussion to the DC Wikia. Oh, yeah, because of the hyperlink issue. But I'm really sorry. I won't make any more interwiki drama between Marvel and DC ever again. At least I have a Database Wiki that uses similar formatting to Marvel/DC Database and covers every sort of media. Also Adour was fine with me using my userspace for Phineas and Ferb Mission Marvel characters, but if you are going to delete it, fine. I'm not making character articles in my userspace anymore. And when undoing edits, I'll check to see if the user is an admin before doing it. If he turns out to be an admin, I will leave it alone. And I'll try not to be bossy. And when I disagree with something, I'll give myself a limit of three arguments before saying "okay" and drop the subject completely. No making a fourth comment unless it's me saying "okay". I'll drop the subject of Phineas and Ferb until Marvel gives it an official reality. I will no longer beg for a TRN. I will calm myself down. I will behave. This is how I will act after you unblock me. Sorry for causing so much problems.

So, am I going to wait a whole month? I promise to do what you say. I really am sorry. I shouldn't have been so hardheaded or anything. And I do like this site.

lol, you blocked :D

Hey! Is laughing really necessary? I'm not a vandal. I'm only blocked because I had some disagreements with the admins. This isn't funny at all. Don't you know what it is like to see something you need to correct or an unanswered question to realize you can't do anything? At least I can still comment on my wall. Last October, I've been blocked on Sonic News Network for two weeks because of three words I said: "Prosecutor", "Nintendo-haters", and "disrespectful". Those two weeks weren't fun especially since I was blocked while holding a poll on whether the Sonic News Network would cover Super Smash Bros. or not since Sonic made two appearances in that series. At least here and now, I'm not making any poll. The admins here don't want a TRN for Phineas and Ferb. I'll just leave it at that. It's best not to defy authority or you'll end up like me. I'm not an admin and after the way I acted, they'd never trust me with those privilages. I really do regret it and I learned my lesson. The admins make the rules, not me. I'll try not to be so bossy next time. But you still shouldn't be laughing at blocked users. You don't even know me (I have never seen your username before). But I should try to be like Bruce Banner and control my emotions. Hi, how's it going.

hey

there was no drama. it was simply... ridiculous. Yeah, do the Bruce. Breathe. Welcome back onboard.

Phew, thank you.

nice job mate

you can remove tag all you want - I don't want them to show up in the category pages, which they do even if they're in your user page. From what I can tell, this is the same story as on the DC wiki. Copy the material, put it wherever you want, but not on this wiki. Not in your userspace or otherwise. This is jus another case of you not accepting decisions that have been made. This is a community site - if you want to have your own little kingdom, make your own wiki.

Yeah, the categorized template is a bit of a problem. Could I make an uncategorized replica of the character template? I pretty much had some experience with working with the template when I tried to bring the Theme gimmick here.

If that's possible without that version of the template showing up in the categories, that is reasonable.

Good thing I made a userspace template at the DC Database. And since it was close enough to our template and the categories were completely removed, I was able to copy it to User:SeanWheeler/Character Template. Now I just need to remove the extra brackets from the "first" parameter and check for other differences between the Marvel and DC templates and fix them accordingly. But the biggest priority is to implement it on the Phineas and Ferb Mission Marvel characters, which I'll do now.

Well, it looks like the Star Trek crossovers are Earth-616, as the listed appearances are 616 characters. Although, I did not read those crossovers it is safe to assume it's 616 unless shown otherwise. However, Phineas and Ferb is too silly for 616 and it's in other media. And we wouldn't cover Phineas and Ferb. We'd only cover Mission Marvel. And when a licensed character interacts with a Marvel character, that's a crossover. Doctor Who is a crossover character. When we have so many Spider-Men, Iron Men, Hulks, etc. I think it is best to stick with the Marvel universe when it comes to crossovers and licenses. I admit that I'm not a big fan of Phineas and Ferb, but that shouldn't stop us from having the Spider-Man, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Nick Fury, Stan Lee, Venom, MODOK, Red Skull and Whiplash that appeared in Mission Marvel. Doctor Who? Godzilla? Conan? Tarzan? Those aren't Marvel characters. I don't mind seeing Mario on a Sonic Wiki as long as the rules stay consistent. Crossover articles are fun to read on wikis that permit them. Like how you don't cover the licensed character's life outside of Marvel, we won't cover the Phineas and Ferb universe outside of Mission Marvel.

Any response Spencerz? Well, I think those licensed characters is the reason you might be fearing the possibility of us covering Phineas and Ferb. And that fear isn't rational because we'd obviously would never cover Phineas and Ferb outside of Mission Marvel. Doctor Who gets an article, but the Spider-Man from Phineas and Ferb doesn't? Marvel characters are more relevant than licensed characters. I convinced the DC Database that if they can't have crossover characters, they can't have licensed characters either. We cover the Marvel Universe. Not Doctor Who. Not Tarzan. Marvel. And with crossovers, we only cover the Marvel side. Doctor Who shouldn't get an article. His universe only has a number because Marvel numbered it. Also, wouldn't Earth-5859 open the door to the Superman & Batman Generations comic? If a reality for Mission Marvel opens the door to Phineas and Ferb, Earth-5859 would probably open the door to Superman & Batman Generations as the Captain America and Batman crossover has the same number as that comic series. Yet we don't cover Superman & Batman. So that theory of opening the door to Phineas and Ferb is out the window. Doctor Who shouldn't be here. His reality could stay because of Marvel numbering it, but Doctor Who characters can't be here. I don't think there should be any special exceptions to the licensed character rule.

Look, like it or not, we cover licensed characters that are a part of the overall Marvel Canon. Regardless of whether you think we should have special exceptions, we do. If you don't like that, you are more than free to contribute elsewhere. Secondly, I'm not really sure what you're referencing with Earth-5859; I don't see it in the search function, and I don't get results on Google either. Finally, I'm not the sole administrator behind Phineas and Pherb not being here; the admin team weighed in on the issue months ago, and the overall majority of the team was that it doesn't need a reality. No amount of "what ifs" and "x is here, y should be, too" arguments are going to change that.

Oh, it's 3839, not 5859. Man I should have checked the number. Anyway, there were only five admins who voted. You said it opens the door to the entire Phineas and Ferb universe. No it doesn't. We won't cover the Phineas and Ferb series just because of one crossover, just like how the Sonic News Network wouldn't detail the entire Mario universe just because Mario made six appearances with Sonic. KalKent stated we don't need to TRN just for one episode. Um, we have TRNed the Planet Doom episode of Marvel's Avengers Assemble, and a couple of other Marvel shows that had the characters go to an alternate timeline. He also said even if we did TRN it, we don't have to cover the whole series. Yeah, that is my point, we are not covering the whole series. Artful Dodger wanted us to leave it alone on our site and link out to the Phineas and Ferb Wiki. Um, no. It wouldn't make sense for someone to go to Phineas and Ferb Wiki just to read about Marvel. That decision is treating the Marvel heroes that appeared in the crossover as Marvel characters. We should cover our side of the crossover, not rely on another unrelated site for our characters. Adour says we tend to overuse TRNs. Well, that is true but that is because Marvel isn't numbering every reality. We can't consider Phineas and Ferb to be Earth-616 as the show contradicts Earth-616 and does too many silly stuff. Earth-616 is too serious for Phineas and Ferb. Doofenshmirtz bought his PH.D. Is that something that happens in 616? No, people have to go to medical school. Peteparker seemed to agree with me. So there, I just disputed the admins' opinions with my own arguments.

Sorry to be so rebellious. But Phineas and Ferb needs a TRN. The Marvel characters on the page Phineas and Ferb: Mission Marvel links to the disambiguation pages, which is not what we do. In appearance sections, we link to the characters of that universe, not disambiguations, with Template:A.

since this goes into the same category: The DC characters in Earth-7642 are their own characters. They're not the Earth-One DC characters. The universe number was confirmed (at least on the marvel side) in a handbook. this is canon. That's why I replaced the hyperlinks with their correct Earth designation.

But we don't cover DC characters here. If you want to read Earth-7642 characters on the DC side, discuss this with the admins of the DC Database. I'll back up your arguments there. But in crossovers here, we cover the Marvel side and link the other side to the appropriate wiki. I'm sorry DC Database don't have 7642 characters there. But, I have tried many times to get Earth-7642 on DC Database. But they don't want to make the reality unless DC confirms it and some New Earth comics have referenced Earth-7642 events as if they took place in New Earth. Looking like some disagreement between Marvel and DC and a plot hole on the DC side. I mean, some crossovers imply that Marvel and DC share the same universe while some have the two worlds colliding? DC, do you and Marvel share the same universe or not? You might as well, agree with Marvel. Although, Nightwing's mentioning he could relate to mutants may be a reference to Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans Vol 1 1, he also dated the mutant Jubilee in Marvel vs. DC.

Nothing says we are planning to cover the DC character here. Nothing at all, that and almost every single bit of text in the thread in the DC Wikia is based purely on your assumptions.

Well, we shouldn't cover DC characters. They are for the DC Wiki. If they won't provide 7246 characters, might as well link to the New Earth or disambiguation pages. But do you have anything to say on the DC forum?

Again, nothing says we are planning to cover DC characters. And I'd rather have them linked to their disambiguation than to their New Earth version.

Then leave them linked to their disambigs. Don't make red links.

*Then I recommend to leave them linked to their disambigs. You shouldn't make red links.

Please remember that the only ones who can impose rules in this wikia are the administrators.

Thank you.

You do realize it was Edkaufman who made the red links, not me. See? And I was only reverting him with the hyperlinks. You even reverted me when I made them hyperlinks to their disambigs. Can you explain that?

And by reverting him you still listed the DC characters as the ones from New Earth. And I reverted it that time because I just though you were linking to the New Earth characters again, as I was growing tired of this unecessary conflict you created, and you went so far you brought a discussion to the DC wikia establishing what you alleged were our views on this "problem."

We have no proof of his death. Alan Taylor was answering a question about Loki. Anthony Hopkins seemed really unsure in his answer and just felt he played the role enough. I've analyzed the video that LoveWaffle linked. I even wrote an accurate transcript of the interview. We have zero proof of Odin's death. Unless you can find solid evidence, I'm not going to say he's dead yet. Also here's the link to the video I've watched when investigating.

Hopkins was not unsure of his answer. He clearly meant that Odin may not be dead, but he is done playing him.

Let's keep discussing this on Adour's wall, since we're talking about the exact same thing and we are both replying to Adour's wall. I don't want duplicate responses in my notifications.

Yeah that makes sense.

This one was talked out a while ago. It was decided that ERB's Tarzan works fell into mainstream continuity (Tarzan interacted with some supporting character that appeared in a seperate Marvel Tales issue or something trivial like that) but Carter was judged to be a licensed character with no connection to mainstream continuity, and therefore, by our rules, didn't get a page. I was under the assumption that TRN146 had been deleted by now.

So characters for the 70s series are just typed in as text entries? I'm not sure why you say there is a rule that licensed characters do not get a page on the wiki. Godzilla, Micronauts, Rom, Shogun Warriors, etc. are all licensed properties and therefore, by that reasoning, should all be stripped off the wiki.

But atleast Godzilla and Rom has had a place in mainstream continuity (616), so those don't need to be removed.

They all were incorporated into 616. That's my point. They also are all licensed properties. So why say that licensed characters do not get a page here? Is the idea that licensed characters who remain unincorporated into the Marvel Universe do not get a page?

How about giving a page to them with some qualifier, such as (non Marvel continuity) or something else along those lines.

Yes, that was a vauge choice of words on my part. Licensed characters with no connection to an established continuity (mainstream or otherwise) don't recieve a page. The ones you lised are established inside mainstream continuity, so they're fine. Otherwise we'd have pages for all the Star Trek, Star Wars and Disney characters that have been handled by Marvel over the years. Carter currently falls into that category, unless there's a connection to a universe that we missed somewhere.