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Wazzirving

aka Wazz Irving

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  • Hi! (Hope you will receive this message, even if you're out since about two years)

    You had stated there that Jean Grey was an Omega Telekinetic. Was she clearly called this one ? In which issue ?

    Thanks.

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    • Let me start-off by saying that I dislike written conversations over physical, because of all of the misunderstandings. I also see the core of what you are trying to say. I still disagree that the Age of X characters from the 616 reality, Bishop's Age of Apocalypse, or anything similar to those scenarios deserves a page. Age of X does not have a number. It was numbered on this site, by fans, as "To Remain Numbered". I think that we should mention the changes to the character that were affected on their pages. The Avengers from that world and the entire rest of the Age of Apocalypse cast are exceptions, because they belong to those realities, but not the characters in question.

      About my "...because a character goes to another place, has a different name, and changes their personality, then they deserve a page dedicated to their brief moment of difference" comment, you either don't reread the previous edits, or there is a nice sized misunderstanding, because I was just telling him that if those earlier mentioned members of Age of X and Bishop in Age of Apocalypse get a separate page, then Rachel should. I also said that it "... doesn't exactly fit as a uniform idea, because, then, we should make a new page for every character that was brainwashed or under the influence of magic..."

      I conceded my argument when you posted "And until Rachel returned, we WOULD and DID treat Mother Askani AS Rachel. Yes, she may be revealed to a new character in the future..." and "When we know better, then we can make the changes (creating a separate Mother Askani page. A page for the Mockingbird Skrull), but until then, there should be a FIRM reasoning for it being a separate page, not just "it's happened before" ". I don't think that is exactly the SOP of our site, but if that is how you want it operated, then I understand. If we operate by that reasoning, I can also see why you don't see a correlation between any of the scenarios that I presented. Let the page merge and I'll clean-up all of the changes I made.

      On a side-note between us, I feel that you handled this all the way to the left (not the right way). I asked you at the very beginning "Tell me why considering her a separate character, like Mother Askani, isn't needed" and that was all you really had to say, but you wished to play a different card that left us roughly a weeks worth of useless debate. You first had me under the impression that the reason you changed it was because you didn't think it was "discussed" then went from useless point A to at lest G. Just tell me the rules, or how you feel the wikia should be ran during your term as an admin, and I'll agree.

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    • "Age of X does not have a number. It was numbered on this site, by fans, as "To Remain Numbered". "

      It HAS been numbered. Officially. The softcover reprint of Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Vol 1 3, Chamber's "Update Appendix" entry states "Starsmore was later drawn into a reality warp (Reality-11326/"Age of X") generated by one of Legion (David Haller)'s multiple personalities. When reality was restored, Starsmore reverted to his former mutant powers and bodily damage." Not only clarifying the reality number but also that what we saw was a reality warp, NOT an illusion (as I've said).

      And "TRN" stands for "temporary reality number", which we use to designate realities that haven't been given an official number yet. Basically a clear placeholder until a real number is designated.

      "I don't think that is exactly the SOP of our site, but if that is how you want it operated, then I understand. "

      That IS the standard operating procedure for this site. Always has been. There have been exceptions, sure, but those are rare, and usually either not caught or allowed to stand because it was short-term. Or for characters who were making a LOT of appearances, but whose identities weren't entirely clear or were completely speculative (Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk). And even THOSE I fought, but ultimately gave in because they were drawing out the reveal for an insanely long time (I believe it was about two years before Red Hulk's identity was revealed, while he made appearances left and right) and teasing every other person as being him.

      "You first had me under the impression that the reason you changed it was because you didn't think it was "discussed" then went from useless point A to at lest G. "

      It WASN'T discussed (as Ed, the person you "discussed" it with agreed. And I STILL don't see where Loki got involved). And your inability to understand that point is what caused my shifts, as I attempted to let you have your say instead of following my instinct and just deleting the page and making the changes myself (the main Rachel page was reverted because it was the main page and should have been unchanged until a decision was reached). I shifted from point to point because I was attempting to get one through to you so you'd understand my main point: Assumption should not be the reasoning for a page's existence.

      "Just tell me the rules, or how you feel the wikia should be ran during your term as an admin, and I'll agree. "

      My term is never ending, and it's run on one simple principle: Never assume and any time a big change is needed (a move, a deletion, etc.), the chance should be made for discussion, and any discussion should not only be SPECIFICALLY about the change (I, for instance, wouldn't make a new Colossus page based on my having mentioned it here because it wasn't actually discussed, it was merely mentioned in passing as part of a separate, but related, discussion), but also laid out in a clear and definite manner, not just mentioned while discussing another matter. And the opening for this clear, specified discussion should last more than a week, unless the deletion is due to a duplicate, nonsense, or vandalized page having been made.

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  • I don't understand, im puting the images at the Phoenix Force arc, where it says she transformed into Phoenix and Dark Phoenix, you said she didn't transform that early but it says in the text that she did, can you explain to me pls?

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    • Jean Grey never transformed into the Phoenix, back then. No offense, but I don't think you fully read or understood the text. Jean was approached by the Phoenix and it made a clone body of her, while it left her body at the bottom of Jamaica Bay to heal. Jean took the name Phoenix, because her alternate reality daughter was dying and asked her to. Years after that, the Phoenix actually merged with Jean. You putting the pics of "Jean as Phoenix" in the test that says Phoenix is confusing because she wasn't the Phoenix. You're actually attempting to put pics of another character on Jean's page. To be literal, those are pics from when she was resurrected by the Phoenix many years later in Phoenix Endsong. Go to the Phoenix Force's page and you'll see the bio for when the Phoenix and Dark Phoenix were impersonating Jean. The only reason I even put that storyline on Jean's page is because the Phoenix took a portion of Jean's memory and she later got it back, with memories of all the Phoenix did. I like that you put new pics (like the ones for X-Factor uniforms), but I just wanted to pay more attention where we placed them, so as to not confuse a new member. --Wazzirving 21:52, February 14, 2012 (UTC)wazzirving

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  • dude what the heck? i put the link connection for scalphunter there so people could find his character bio. why'd you take it down?

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  • hey wazz, thx for the welcome, it's been awhile. It was never about "calling someone in" - the questions of omegas has been debated and decided upon many times in the past, for good reason. The constant bickering along the lines of "my mutant is better than your mutant" was getting tiresome and an inacceptable drain of already thinly-spread admin resources - much like the battle over power grids later on. Which is why we decided to stick to canon references, that is the comics themselves and the handbooks. The reason I wanted someone else in on this was that I've been gone for a long time and I wasn't sure that the issue hadn't changed. So it was not "bossing people around", rather the contrary. i didn't want to push "the admin is right" because I'm at best only half an admin at this moment. I'm glad you voice your opinion to me, but I'm not sure I agree with you on the role of the admins. The admins' role is certainly more than "maintaining civility", more importantly, they ensure the quality of the site as a whole. This includes double-checking information and setting the rules for what counts as acceptable references. btw, good to see you're still on the site.

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    • btw - I'm a union man myself, so I sympathize for being skeptical of power. There is a difference between a union and a collective, however. Even in a labor union, not every decision is put through the democratic process of everyone voting in. And as history teaches us, the democratic process is only as strong as the laws that temper it and prevent it from becoming the dicatorship of a majority.

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  • Why remove Ink from the Phoenix Force page? I realize he was never an avatar, but I think his history warrants inclusion under the "related" section of a page. How is it hurting anything by including him?

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    • Then, under your logic, we would have to put Mimic under all of the original X-Men's discomb pages. There has to be a line somewhere, and, like I said, it makes sense to put it on Ink's page, but if I simply mimicked someone and that person had nothing to do with my origin or current storylines, I don't think that warrants a mention on said person's page. My page: yes, but said person: no. It's all opinionated so, i suggest you bring it up on Phoenix Force's talk page.

      --Wazzirving 23:51, November 12, 2011 (UTC)wazzirving
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    • I'd been fine with that. Should we copy and paste this convo into the talk page or start a new thread there?

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