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Ikaris (Eternal) (Earth-616)

Added "(Eternal)" to differentiate him from his son who he named himself after.

KalKent (Anton) (Earth-1218) (talk) 22:22, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
I propose that this page be moved back to "Ikaris (Earth-616)" as his son has since ben rennamed to "Icarus" therefore eliminating the need for a qualifier on this page and the same goes for and and all alternate versions. --1137a (AL) (Earth-1218) (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
The statement that Ikaris made in Eternals (Vol. 5) #1 about not being "the mythological Icarus" may not have been a reference to his son. After all, considering how the history of the Eternals has been rewritten, it's possible that the million-year-old Eternal known as Ikaris never had a son named Ikaris or Icarus. Or maybe he did. We just don't know yet.DonACampbell (talk) 20:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I have not read that comic but I fail to understand how whether or not he was referring to his son would have any bearing on this move and the fact that you're saying "may not have" and "or maybe he did" sounds like you're just making assumptions that said-character no longer exist and even if the history of the Eternals have been rewritten, do we know what specifically has been 'rewritten'? Because if we don't know, then we shouldn't rule out a characters existence like that. --1137a (AL) (Earth-1218) (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't think it's relevant, pages should be moved if there are no other Ikaris Copeinator123 (talk) 20:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
For me, the bottom line is this: Eternals (Vol. 2) #5 stated that the son's name was spelt "Ikaris" and I'm not aware of any story which states that "Icarus" was his real name. If you know of such a story, please cite it and I'll stop disagreeing.DonACampbell (talk) 21:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Oh, that is not how your original comment read, it made no reference to you disagreeing with move or there was no other Ikaris. Just that you were unsure of the son existence,not that it wasn't Icarus Copeinator123 (talk) 21:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
The spelling of Icarus came from Thor & Hercules: Encyclopaedia Mythologica #1 which is a handbook. However, I will also admit that information from handbooks have either been wrong about things before or have even been outdated by information that have been presented by comics that were released since. So Unless this should considered one of those instances then I don't see why this can't move forward. --1137a (AL) (Earth-1218) (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Three points. First, I had assumed that the proposal to make this change was caused by that recent reference to the "mythological Icarus" that Ikaris made. Frankly, I found that reference to be very odd. If the true story of the Eternal/human hybrid Ikaris inspired the Greek legend of Icarus, then why would Ikaris specify that Icarus was mythological? After all, he more than anyone else knew that "Icarus" was real.
Second, although I greatly admire the various Official Handbooks, I still regard them as secondary sources of information and thus not as "canon" as primary sources. In this case, where "Ikaris" is the name from that Eternals story and "Icarus" is the spelling from the 2009 Encyclopaedia Mythologica, I would trust the story more. Besides, the profile on Ikaris in Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (Vol. 2) #6 also used the "Ikaris" spelling, so which handbook is right?
Third, as I stated before, much of the history of the Eternals is being rewritten by the current series, including most of the secret past of the Eternals that the Watcher revealed in those Untold Tales of the Marvel Universe that appeared in issues of What If? from 1980/81. As for Ikaris, the EM profile on him stated that he was a "third generation Eternal (who) was born over 20,000 years ago" but the current series is treating him as one of the original 100 Eternals who were created by the Celestials one million years ago. If such a basic fact has been altered, who knows what else has been or will be changed?
In the end, I currently have no clear idea how much of the previously-established history of Ikaris is going to remain canon, and that includes whether or not he ever sired a son and the spelling of that son's name. I would wait and see what happens before changing the page name. However, that's only my opinion and I could well be wrong.DonACampbell (talk) 01:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)