Citizen V and the V Battalion features the Red Skull in a fb with someone resembling Emil Stein from TOS II#1.
The OHOTMU Hardcover series #9 gives the spelling of his and his daughter Sin's name as Shmidt, without the "c". Eetmi 16:41, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Master Edition Handbook uses the "c". Deluxe Edition and the '89 Update don't. The original series...has his real name us "unrevealed." Seems to be three to one, with one source abstaining.
- --GrnMarvl14 03:36, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
- --GrnMarvl14 01:48, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
- How often is his name given in actual comic stories? I think just considering the OHOTMU type stuff is a bit limited. You only need one editor to miss something, and suddenly "Peter Parker" is "Petor Paker".
- Roygbiv666 -- 03:25, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Schmidt is certainly the more common name and considered a "proper" german spelling, as the combination sh for that sound doesn't exist in german. The spelling Shmidt exists as well, but especially in Russia and the States and also quite often in Jewish families - now wouldn't that be a weird twist. ;) Marvel used Shmidt on several occasions for German soldiers in their war mags, but I always considered those typos and/or bad knowledge of German. Is there a reason for copying an obvious error, even if it's in the OHOTMU?--edkaufman 10:57, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Because it's more accurate, continuity-wise. Maybe German's different in the ol' 616.
- --GrnMarvl14 17:14, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Ugh, this is a nightmare. My heart wants to follow the hardcover series (like it's written by the hand of God), but my head says use common sense. :(
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 22:51, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
- The Handbooks seem fairly definitive on the issue (Red Skull's listing in Acts of Vengeance is Shmidt). Marvel.com also omits the "c." As does the Marvel Directory. And, again, it's not JUST the current Handbooks that omit the "c." Mark Gruenwald was behind most of the original Handbooks. WHILE writing Captain America, in many (if not all) cases. To me, THAT'S definitive above all else. And Shmidt seems fairly common in the real world.
- --GrnMarvl14 23:13, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
- --GrnMarvl14 02:46, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Not to beat a dead horse, but:
- But it's not just one instance. Shmidt is in three Handbooks stretching across two of three decades. Sin's profile (his daughter) uses the Shmidt spelling. His listing in Acts of Vengeance uses Shmidt. In every instance in which his last name is mentioned in the Deluxe edition, it's Shmidt. For it to be repeated over several Handbook iterations would take more than one editor making the same mistake. More than one writer making the same mistake. Whereas the ONE Handbook with Schmidt...that COULD be attributed to an editorial mistake. Especially since it IS more accurate in the real world. Seem to vaguely recall another character whose name is commonly misspelled because it's NOT spelled the common way. Wish I could actually remember who it was, though.
- --GrnMarvl14 20:27, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry I wasn't clear. Aside from OHOTMU books, when the Skull's name appears in comics, do they spell it with a "c" or not? It is conceivable that each OHOTMU edition just copies over data from the last one. What is the preponderance of usage overall for the spelling of the Skull's real name?
- 23:21, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
- --GrnMarvl14 01:17, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- --GrnMarvl14 03:01, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- definitely agree: the horse is dead. arguments have been made, two possible solutions are clear: either leave it, and add a note saying why we deviate from the OHOTMU, or change it and add a note that it was different before and that it may be a typo. Now, how do we proceed? Is there like a final vote?--edkaufman 16:04, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
- Roygbiv666, you're not being difficult, I'm just genuinely wondering what it's going to take to convince you guys that it's accurate. Literally, will it take going through every single appearance and counting up the Shmidts vs the Schmidts, or will a certain number suffice? As is, it seems that we have several Handbooks and an in-continuity reference versus...commonality and a vague remembrance. What issues have him referred to as Schmidt, aside from one Handbook (which, since it's one out of numerous versions would be the aberration, NOT the Shmidt)?
- --GrnMarvl14 17:55, March 13, 2010 (UTC)