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I was going back into reading some of the material from the old Starlin Warlock series in order to look into some of the more vague and confusing parts of Adam to make sense of and found that more then one time in Warlock #9 Pip refers to the Matriarch as "Slink". It's also quoted so Im assuming it's an aliases but considering how the Matriarch alias is used by multiple characters, I was wanting to put it out here. JayAaerow (talk)
I've always considered this as an insult by Pip towards the Matriarch.Beast of Averoigne (talk) 09:06, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
- Not really. He said "Hey look. Its old "Slink" herself". It's more likely an alias given the fact that it's mentioned she started out owning a brothel by Magus, hence how Pip could have known one of her aliases given how he use to do business of that nature. JayAaerow (talk)
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Based on the note by DonCampbell, the Handbooks treat this as two seperate people who inherited the position, as we do with the Imperial Guard, I suggest we split this Matriarch I (UCT) (Earth-616) and Matriarch II (UCT) (Earth-616) to denotethe characters as being seperate people. If anyone has a better naming scheme I'mopen to suggestions Copeinator123 (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Just to clarify things, the uncertainty over how these characters should be listed comes from the fact that the Universal Church of Truth has been subjected to several alterations of reality. To make matters worse, various writers have had their own, differing ideas of what happened. Jim Starlin clearly thought that his storyline began in the mainstream reality wherein the Magus existed due to a time loop and then, at the end, the characters were still in the mainstream reality but with the last 5,000 years of history having been altered due to Warlock’s negation of the time loop. In this scenario, the woman who became the Matriarch existed and died within the time loop version of Earth-616 while a version of that same woman continued to live in the non-time loop version of Earth-616 because there had never been a Magus to recruit and later execute her.
- However, this view of what happened was contradicted by the Official Handbook staff who viewed Warlock’s actions as having created a divergent timeline in which the Magus and his UCT never existed. In this scenario, the mainstream reality would have been Earth-7528 and Warlock’s actions caused that timeline to diverge from the mainstream Earth-616 timeline c. 3000 B.C. This would mean that the executed Matriarch was from Earth-7528 while the non-executed non-Matriarch version existed in Earth-616.
- The second Guardians of the Galaxy series made matters worse by adding not one but two new wrinkles. First there was the revelation that the Magus timeline that Warlock had gone to great lengths to rewrite so that it had never happened did, in fact, continue to exist but in an inert, quiescent state. The second revelation was that Warlock had halted the expansion of the Fault by grafting the inert Magus timeline onto the damaged mainstream timeline. In other words, Warlock had saved the mainstream timeline by magically making it a combination of Earth-616 and Earth-7528. It was in this merged timeline that the UCT reappeared and its Matriarch was a woman who was not a counterpart of (or successor to) that original Matriarch.
- It all depends on how the wiki choses to distinguish between the variations of the mainstream timeline. If one views the UCT as having always existed in alternate timeline Earth-7528, then the Matriarch who first appeared in Strange Tales #178 should be renamed “Matriarch (UCT) (Earth-7528)” while the version of that woman who first appeared in Warlock #11 would be named “Someone else (Earth-9616).” Finally, the Matriarch who first appeared in GOTG Vol 2 #1 would be given the “Matriarch (UCT) (Earth-616)” name instead.
- On the other hand, if one views the UCT as having always existed within variations of Earth-616, then “Matriarch I (UCT) (Earth-616)” would be from the pre-timequake Earth-616, her non-Matriarch self would be listed as a differently-named character (Slink?) from the post-timequake Earth-616, and “Matriarch II (UCT) (Earth-616)” would be the woman from the post-timequake/post-grafting Earth-616 who was not a genetic counterpart of the original Matriarch.
- Hmmm. As clarifications go, this one doesn't really help, does it?DonACampbell (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)