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:::Finally took a look at Living Tribunal's last Handbook profile. It specifically refers to Living Tribunal and One-Above-All as MULTIVERSAL entities, and only POSSIBLY omniversal.
 
:::Finally took a look at Living Tribunal's last Handbook profile. It specifically refers to Living Tribunal and One-Above-All as MULTIVERSAL entities, and only POSSIBLY omniversal.
 
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Well, maybe, admittedly, you do have a point. Well, first of all, though the "God" issue with Marvel is far less clear than with other comic companies', I don't think, like, the Marvel writers were trying to model this character/being/concept after the Hindu Trimurti or Zeus when they first introduced this Supreme Being concept, personally. Didn't the Tribunal first refer to his unseen master, which he represented, during Warlock's cosmic trial? Still, you might wonder why the Presence chose the Israelites over the billions of other worlds and civilations in existence to serve as His religion in DC, but it has been explicitly shown thus in many issues (such as the 14th issue of ''Spectre'', where Nabu literally clashes with the Spectre in Egypt).
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:But, yes, I ''think'' that it might be a little more suitable for the One-Above-All to be labelled as "Multiversal", at least for now. An argument could be made that ''all'' of the Supreme Beings in each of their Multiverses basically represent the same single concept and power, but that would make this even more complicated. But it has to be noted, if the Handbooks are at all of any consideration on this wiki, we should carefully take into account exactly what they say. [[User:Halowars22|Halowars22]] 21:45, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

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User:Living Tribunal's question

If the One-Above-All wished to destroy the entire omniverse and/or beyond, then yes in theory he/she could. --Greatestvillain 05:14, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Is the power level of the One-Above-All more than infinity?

Yes. Higher than Infinity, higher than Eternity, higher than the Living Tribunal. Lokiofmidgaard 08:08, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

No what I meant is that the power level of the One-Above-All higher than the number infinite?Living Tribunal 07:23, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

If you mean power grids, then the OAA would presumably be 7 across the board, as that's the highest number on the grids. If you mean some other kind of measurement, OAA is presumably pretty well immeasurable. There is no number "infinite"; you mean the mathematical concept infinity, which isn't strictly a number, and no, OAA isn't higher than that, because by definition infinity has no limit and is bigger than any number you could quantify. Lokiofmidgaard 11:11, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

The One-Above-All created the entire Multiverse, and possibly beyond. So I guess He could destroy it as well. Someone well beyond the Tribunal's power is truly great indeed. [1] Ralnon (talk) 00:58, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


Omniverse

I Think he should be named back to One-Above-All(Omniverse)

I'm unsure of the Omniverse Designation. Why not just have it be "One-Above-All" in that case?
Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talkcontribsemail) 22:31, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
Two reasons:
1. We should always have SOME designation, if not an Earth designation then Omni/Multi/whatever-verse for the sake of consistency and to avoid confusion.
2. Because there's also a Celestial known as the One-Above-All.
--GrnMarvl14 22:34, March 29, 2011 (UTC)


And a third point: I'm not too familiar with this character, but where has it been stated, comic-wise, that he's unique in the omniverse/multiverse? If this IS another aspect of God, like some people seem to think, then shouldn't there be a Spectre-entity in every universe?
--GrnMarvl14 22:40, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
The "Specter-entity" equivalent is the Living Tribunal. Arrancar79 00:21, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
How does that make sense? The Living Tribunal is a confirmed Omniversal judge, whereas the Spectre seems to be a DC-specific avatar of vengeance.
--GrnMarvl14 01:13, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Just change it back to One-Above-All (Omniverse) and case solved. And for peterparker, the definition of Omniverse is the "thing that encompasses all realities, all timelines, all multiverses, from Marvel and DC to Image and Dark Horse, everything in comic book fiction".
User:Mikhail Mxyzptlk, 9:30, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
The cosmology (for lack of a better term) is not a perfect match between DC and Marvel, but it is what it is. The Tribunal protects the omniversal balance, but is not at the top of the ladder, that would be the One-Above-All. It's not an aspect of God, it IS GOD as far as Marvel is concerned. That's exactly why you won't get much info on it. Oh yea, didn't the FF meet OAA in the form of Jack Kirby? Arrancar79 23:26, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
And, honestly, that's where I'm confused on the whole "One-Above-All is God", and I'd like some sourcing for it. Just seems to me that he would outrank any known Earthly deity (but that's my opinion). And, again, Spectre and Living Tribunal just don't mesh up (unless it's been stated in one of the DC/Marvel crossovers).
--GrnMarvl14 23:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it was the DC/Marvel crossover. As far as I can tell (sorry, can't source it, all speculation) OAA maybe/is/isn't the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God, maybe something else, but will be intentionally left vague. Some don't like mystery, I do. I think it adds a lot of weight to the story having it left to the interpretation of the reader. I'm sure it works a lot better for Marvel as a company to use the OAA, you could imagine how it would go over having Thanos bitch slap one of the big three with the Infinity Gauntlet. With OAA that can't happen, and if you want to think it's your God that "they're really talking about" I guess you can, or look at it as the biggest Abstract there is. Win-Win for Marvel. Arrancar79 23:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
To answer your question, as far as I am concerned, Spectre is his counterpart in role and Michael Demiurgos is his counterpart in power. That's how I learned it.
User: Mikhail Mxyzptlk

If no one minds me asking, why is there confusion in the One-Above-All's identity? In my opinion, it's kind of easy to figure out that this character is a fiction portrayal of God. I don't mean to seem arrogant, I'm just wondering. --ZombieKiller123 23:15, April 11, 2011 (UTC)ZombieKiller123

Except that different cultures have different ideas of a supreme being. If it's been said, or even heavily hinted that this is meant to be Yawheh/the Christan God, then fine, but if he's just meant as a supreme being, and we're assuming that's meant to be the Christian God...then that's another matter.
--GrnMarvl14 01:41, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, and again sorry if I seemed arrogant in my question. --ZombieKiller123 01:51, April 12, 2011 (UTC)ZombieKiller123

Finally took a look at Living Tribunal's last Handbook profile. It specifically refers to Living Tribunal and One-Above-All as MULTIVERSAL entities, and only POSSIBLY omniversal.
--GrnMarvl14 19:27, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well, maybe, admittedly, you do have a point. Well, first of all, though the "God" issue with Marvel is far less clear than with other comic companies', I don't think, like, the Marvel writers were trying to model this character/being/concept after the Hindu Trimurti or Zeus when they first introduced this Supreme Being concept, personally. Didn't the Tribunal first refer to his unseen master, which he represented, during Warlock's cosmic trial? Still, you might wonder why the Presence chose the Israelites over the billions of other worlds and civilations in existence to serve as His religion in DC, but it has been explicitly shown thus in many issues (such as the 14th issue of Spectre, where Nabu literally clashes with the Spectre in Egypt).

But, yes, I think that it might be a little more suitable for the One-Above-All to be labelled as "Multiversal", at least for now. An argument could be made that all of the Supreme Beings in each of their Multiverses basically represent the same single concept and power, but that would make this even more complicated. But it has to be noted, if the Handbooks are at all of any consideration on this wiki, we should carefully take into account exactly what they say. Halowars22 21:45, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
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