User:Living Tribunal's question
Is the power level of the One-Above-All more than infinity?
- Yes. Higher than Infinity, higher than Eternity, higher than the Living Tribunal. Lokiofmidgaard 08:08, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
No what I meant is that the power level of the One-Above-All higher than the number infinite?Living Tribunal 07:23, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
- If you mean power grids, then the OAA would presumably be 7 across the board, as that's the highest number on the grids. If you mean some other kind of measurement, OAA is presumably pretty well immeasurable. There is no number "infinite"; you mean the mathematical concept infinity, which isn't strictly a number, and no, OAA isn't higher than that, because by definition infinity has no limit and is bigger than any number you could quantify. Lokiofmidgaard 11:11, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
I Think he should be named back to One-Above-All(Omniverse)
- I'm unsure of the Omniverse Designation. Why not just have it be "One-Above-All" in that case?
- Two reasons:
- 1. We should always have SOME designation, if not an Earth designation then Omni/Multi/whatever-verse for the sake of consistency and to avoid confusion.
- 2. Because there's also a Celestial known as the One-Above-All.
- --GrnMarvl14 22:34, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
- And a third point: I'm not too familiar with this character, but where has it been stated, comic-wise, that he's unique in the omniverse/multiverse? If this IS another aspect of God, like some people seem to think, then shouldn't there be a Spectre-entity in every universe?
- --GrnMarvl14 22:40, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
- The "Specter-entity" equivalent is the Living Tribunal. Arrancar79 00:21, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
- How does that make sense? The Living Tribunal is a confirmed Omniversal judge, whereas the Spectre seems to be a DC-specific avatar of vengeance.
- --GrnMarvl14 01:13, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Just change it back to One-Above-All (Omniverse) and case solved. And for peterparker, the definition of Omniverse is the "thing that encompasses all realities, all timelines, all multiverses, from Marvel and DC to Image and Dark Horse, everything in comic book fiction".
- User:Mikhail Mxyzptlk, 9:30, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
- The cosmology (for lack of a better term) is not a perfect match between DC and Marvel, but it is what it is. The Tribunal protects the omniversal balance, but is not at the top of the ladder, that would be the One-Above-All. It's not an aspect of God, it IS GOD as far as Marvel is concerned. That's exactly why you won't get much info on it. Oh yea, didn't the FF meet OAA in the form of Jack Kirby? Arrancar79 23:26, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
- And, honestly, that's where I'm confused on the whole "One-Above-All is God", and I'd like some sourcing for it. Just seems to me that he would outrank any known Earthly deity (but that's my opinion). And, again, Spectre and Living Tribunal just don't mesh up (unless it's been stated in one of the DC/Marvel crossovers).
- --GrnMarvl14 23:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it was the DC/Marvel crossover. As far as I can tell (sorry, can't source it, all speculation) OAA maybe/is/isn't the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God, maybe something else, but will be intentionally left vague. Some don't like mystery, I do. I think it adds a lot of weight to the story having it left to the interpretation of the reader. I'm sure it works a lot better for Marvel as a company to use the OAA, you could imagine how it would go over having Thanos bitch slap one of the big three with the Infinity Gauntlet. With OAA that can't happen, and if you want to think it's your God that "they're really talking about" I guess you can, or look at it as the biggest Abstract there is. Win-Win for Marvel. Arrancar79 23:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
- To answer your question, as far as I am concerned, Spectre is his counterpart in role and Michael Demiurgos is his counterpart in power. That's how I learned it.
- User: Mikhail Mxyzptlk
If no one minds me asking, why is there confusion in the One-Above-All's identity? In my opinion, it's kind of easy to figure out that this character is a fiction portrayal of God. I don't mean to seem arrogant, I'm just wondering. --ZombieKiller123 23:15, April 11, 2011 (UTC)ZombieKiller123
- Except that different cultures have different ideas of a supreme being. If it's been said, or even heavily hinted that this is meant to be Yawheh/the Christan God, then fine, but if he's just meant as a supreme being, and we're assuming that's meant to be the Christian God...then that's another matter.
- --GrnMarvl14 01:41, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, and again sorry if I seemed arrogant in my question. --ZombieKiller123 01:51, April 12, 2011 (UTC)ZombieKiller123
- Finally took a look at Living Tribunal's last Handbook profile. It specifically refers to Living Tribunal and One-Above-All as MULTIVERSAL entities, and only POSSIBLY omniversal.
- --GrnMarvl14 19:27, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Well, maybe, admittedly, you do have a point. Well, first of all, though the "God" issue with Marvel is far less clear than with other comic companies', I don't think, like, the Marvel writers were trying to model this character/being/concept after the Hindu Trimurti or Zeus when they first introduced this Supreme Being concept, personally. Didn't the Tribunal first refer to his unseen master, which he represented, during Warlock's cosmic trial? Still, you might wonder why the Presence chose the Israelites over the billions of other worlds and civilizations in existence to serve as His religion in DC, but it has been explicitly shown thus in many issues (such as the 14th issue of Spectre, where Nabu literally clashes with the Spectre in Egypt). I could be wrong, but I think that this entity IS more or less synonymous with "God".
- But, yes, I think that it might be a little more suitable for the One-Above-All to be labelled as "Multiversal", at least for now. An argument could be made that all of the Supreme Beings in each of their Multiverses basically represent the same single concept and power, but that would make this even more complicated. But it has to be noted, if the Handbooks are at all of any consideration on this wiki, we should carefully take into account exactly what they say. Halowars22 21:45, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
I see it as God. Nothing less. Could destroy everythingif he was like that. Not even Marvel Zombies could stop him. Not trying to be an a-hole, but that's what I think. OAA can be whichever you want, but one thing is certain...he is THE God of Marvel. --Griffin23
wow...I just wanted to say, this page sure has gotten a lot of Facebook likes. Like, about a month ago, maybe there were 60-70, I remember, and now, more than 90...someone did a fairly decent job here...I mean, 91 likes? Even Jean Grey (both main page and Earth-616 TOGETHER doesn't have that many, and that's really saying something). what are the facebook likes for, though? Avengerlogan2121 01:33, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and what is the Presence and Spectre? Is it like, another name for TOAA, or, like something totally different and opposite? Have they, like, met? Avengerlogan2121 01:40, December 17, 2011 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I will try to address your questions. Firstly, the Presence is essentially the Supreme Being and thus, the "One-Above-All" of DC Comics, while the Spectre is a kind of the Presence's avenging servant. The Tribunal in Marvel stands for largely passive justice, appearing only when there is a serious imbalance, while the Spectre stands for largely active justice, interfering with things as relatively trivial as petty robbery.
- Certainly, in The Adventures of the X-Men #12, predating the current Marvel Universe, the Tribunal has engaged in "transdimensional consultation with his hooded spectral ally".  And in another series, the Spectre and the Tribunal join forces to counter the threat posed by the Brothers, presumably with their respective masters' consent:  I hope this helps clear things up a little... Halowars22 03:29, December 17, 2011 (UTC)
Once, I remember reading several older issues, something about Protectors of the Galaxy...and I think the One Above All played SOME role in it as well...it might even have been the first time for tribunal's master to be mentioned openly by name, even. But can anyone have the issue and can confirm, or was the One Above All mentioned only like, the Celestial one? whoever answers, thanks a lot... Myanmao 23:36, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
- To help clear the confusion a little bit: The One-Above-All - the Supreme Being - did indeed play a role in a certain Guardians of the Galaxy storyline. The One Above All, the chief Celestial, as far as I can remember did not even appear, though another Celestial, called Scathan, did, and helped resolve the cosmic crisis eventually. A being with a unique and immensely potent ability was, I believe, threatening to usurp the cosmic hierarchy, and even tried to claim the ultimate power of the One-Above-All, but as a single Celestial managed to blind and overpower him in the span of seconds, it would seem that he did not exactly succeed in such grand ambitions... Halowars22 01:09, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
Easter Egg soiler
I have been bugged so much about the design they made with because when you think of the all knowing god of Marvel multiverse, who gets in your head? God? no, Stan Lee but why does the One-Above-All look like a biker? --RiderJones 04:19, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
which means that attribute, Omniversal, is that he is one with all the Omniverse, it is merged with the Omniverse
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in the 'Marvel Universe'. One-Above-All is the prevalent memetic name for the supreme God of the fictional Marvel Comics mythology. The character of God more closely resembles the Old Testament version than the New Testament version of Jesus speaks of, in these action-adventure stories; power and majesty, vengeance and jealousy, other than the one pandering to Jesus Freak sentiments of the probably imaginary hippie comic readership in 1968. Always selling out to the highest bidder, Marvel ceased portraying God until he was safely esconced in the media portrayal of a reactionary 1990s (!!!), and post-Patriot Act, the pace of appearances increased.
The title "One-Above-All" itself was coined in Doctor Strange: Master of the Mystic Arts vol. 2, #13 (April 1976), written by Steve Englehart, and the entity visibly manifested in Fantastic Four #511 (May 2004).
The entity appears in The Sensational Spider-Man vol. 2, #40 (Oct. 2007).
Fictional character biography
During an encounter with the mystic hero Doctor Strange, the cosmic entity Eternity tells Strange: "I and my brother, Death, comprise all of your reality, mystic! Neither he nor I are God, for God rules all realities!"
When the pregnant Susan Storm feared for her husband's likely death at the hands of the "all-powerful" Silver Surfer, Uatu the Watcher told her that there was only one being that was truly "all-powerful", and that "His only weapon...is love."
Doctor Strange, after being bitten by the vampire Dracula, apparently invokes this entity in desperation: "In the name of the Tetragrammaton, Jehovah! O Great Unmanifest, hear my plea!" which called upon holy power in the form of a crucifix strong enough to cure both himself and Wong of vampirism and seemingly destroy Dracula himself, later calling upon this power once again to purge and slay the N'Garai-empowered Shadowqueen. Strange, after surviving a fierce battle with the Asgardian trickster Loki, sees Thor and states: "And yet, some omnipotent power has so arranged the universe that good must always prevail! For every mighty villain, there is a mightier hero! For every menacing enemy of mankind, there is a fighting Avenger!"
In ancient times, to punish the people of Gehenna for worshiping the savage Annunaki deity Ba'al through ritualistic human sacrifice, the Hand of God, empowered by "unbreakable steel and divine might", is sent to destroy Ba'al. In recent times the anti-hero Wolverine, after directly praying for aid, appears to be possessed by the Hand of God's spirit, and slays the restored Ba'al.
In the aftermath of the Infinity Gauntlet crossover series, during the trial of Adam Warlock, the Living Tribunal states: "I represent forces that dwarf even your might. My authority comes from on high."
The Cosmic Cube Kubik, on a tour displaying various higher powers to Kosmos, states: "The most supreme power that can be comprehended, the Living Tribunal exists in all multiverses simultaneously, always prepared to enact judgment. Logic would indicate that the Tribunal itself is but another servant, but of what none dare imagine."
When Thor once compared himself and Odin to various other gods, abstract entities, and cosmic beings in terms of power, he notes: "And 'tis said that a being, called the Living Tribunal—the final judge—hath the power to enforce his will 'pon any cosmos he doth judge! And 'tis said his power is supreme in all the Multiverse. Even I, son of one of the mightiest of all gods, find it impossible to conceive of such levels of power! And 'tis a humbling thought to consider how much greater the Creator of all Universes must be than that of all of His creations combined!"
When Jake Olsen pleaded for Odin to not send him back into Mephisto's realm, Odin, after denying he himself was "God", instead allows Olsen's soul to ascend to a higher plane, responding: "Nay, mortal. There is a power far greater than mine - and it is to Him I commend thy spirit now. Let peace envelop thy being, mortal, for thou hast suffered enow."
The Eternal Thanos realizes he has been subtly manipulated by an unseen supreme power, whom he refers to as "the Almighty", into destroying, and then recreating the universe without a fundamental flaw, initially caused by the resurrection of Wonder Man, that allowed characters to be resurrected quite easily, and created an imbalance between life and death.
The entity apparently appears before the superhero team the Fantastic Four when they visit Heaven to retrieve the soul of Ben Grimm, in the appearance of the Fantastic Four's co-creator Jack Kirby.
After a final confrontation with the brutal demoness Asteroth left Beta Ray Bill at the brink of death, a glowing man in white robes appears before him and heals him while assuring him that this would be a new beginning for his people and himself, subsequently claiming the souls of the decimated Korbinites and sending his own spirit into the body of a human.
When Peter Parker's (the alter ego of Spider-Man) Aunt May lies close to death, a seemingly all-knowing homeless man appears before Parker, and when Parker asks the entity about its identity, it states that he already knows the answer, and manifests in the resplendent form depicted above. Unfortunately, even this encounter with "God" was not enough to truly sway Peter from his inner anguish, and out of pure desperation, he and Mary Jane give up their marriage to the demon Mephisto (who claims that their marriage was made holy in "the eyes of He who I hate most" and that thus erasing it would be a triumph beyond all others for him).
The gods of Zenn-La refer to a First Mover who ignited the fire cosmic and by its light brought "orbit, organization, and order" to the universe from a beginning of primal chaos, and who extrapolated the End Times being heralded by the Nil Star. As the alien deity Glory threatened to absorb and destroy Thor during the events of Chaos War, Donald Blake and Becca Steinhardt were able to, through a united prayer, call out to the power of the "creator of all men and gods" that resided within "each and every one" of humanity, power sufficient to destroy Glory himself from within.
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