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Confusion[]

Is this frickin' Doctor Who? Can someone please educate me?

--JamieHari 18:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed it is. Doctor Who appeared in his own Marvel comic in the UK (which crossed over with a number of other titles, as Marvel comics always seem to do). Actually, it might be more accurate to say "magazine with some comic content" (Doctor Who Weekly). The comic is the primary source for a few characters in the Doctor Who extended universe (such as Abslom Daak, Dalek Killer) and he also has crossed paths from time to time with more mainstream, Earth-616 characters. The Doctor Who listing at internationalhero confirms that he's a Marvel character, and he also has a listing at the Unofficial Appendix. While reading over the All New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, I saw him mentioned once or twice in other character's profiles as "the doctor", but would have never caught it if I hadn't seen pages like this first. I'd recommend going the "Conan" route and mentioning only the events published in Marvel magazines, with just enough background to make it all make sense. (Either that, or in the one or two places we need to mention "the doctor", just have the page say "Doctor who? That's right!") --WhyBother 11:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I would definitely agree, the 'Conan' route sounds best.
--Jamie 20:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

--Gaastra He is also the one who shrunk death's head to human size and sent him out of the transformers universe to the 616 universe. This is talked about in death's head profile in the marvel handbook.

Creator list[]

I corrected the list of creators. The original series was devised by Sydney Newman and CE Webber, with the support of BBC programming director Donald Wilson. Verity Lambert is only considered a creator due to the fact she was the show's producer. Anthony Coburn wrote the first storyline. 23skidoo 16:58, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Duly noted, and 100% correct.Tony ingram 17:05, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

This said, Verity Lambert is considered the show's "mother" by fans. Without her persuading Newman that the Daleks were more than "bug-eyed monsters", the show would not have lasted all this time. Silent Hunter UK (talk) 18:19, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Time War[]

Technically, shouldn't the bit about the last great time war be deleted, since that happened in the modern series, long after Marvel stopped publishing the Doctor back in the 90s?--MutantMenace 07:33, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I would agree with that. I don't really think the History section should contain anything after the early eighth Doctor stories, which were the last ones published under the Marvel UK banner. Admittedly, the Gallery page shows images of all of the Doctors, but that's really just for the sake of completism. Tony ingram 07:41, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. Nobody wants to delete people's pictures anyway.--MutantMenace 07:54, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Licensed pages[]

Do we really need licensed pages like this? We don't have pages of the Capcom characters in Earth-30847. We only have the Marvel side. And the Edgar Rice Borroughs characters were deleted. Why do we even have this page? SeanWheeler (talk) 00:17, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

For the same reason that there are pages for Rom and the Micronauts characters. Because the Doctor Who characters were inextricably linked with the Marvel Universe for well over ten years and are mentioned in the Marvel Universe Handbooks even if they don't have their own pages. The history of a lot of characters created by Marvel UK would make no sense without reference to The Doctor. Tony ingram (talk) 07:49, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
I don't know anything about Rom or Micronauts, but weren't the DC Universe also mentioned in the handbooks? And unlike Thor, as a Norse legend was fair use by the time Marvel incorporated him into the Marvel Universe, I'm pretty sure Doctor Who was licensed by BBC. BBC is what owns the Doctor Who franchise, not Marvel. Doctor Who's appearances in the Marvel Universe are collaborations between BBC and Marvel. SeanWheeler (talk) 16:36, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I know that. Just as the Micronauts and Rom were licensed from their respective owners. And like them, these versions of the Doctor Who characters have always been regarded as being an integral part of the Marvel Universe for a number of years. There's a difference between these characters and the ERB ones, who existed in their own separate continuity. Tony ingram (talk)
Until it was sold to Panini, Doctor Who Magazine was a Marvel production and ran a comic strip - in fact, it still does. Silent Hunter UK (talk) 11:52, October 20, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, thatt's where most of the information on these characters comes from. Technically, in fact, the strip was still a Marvel publication until the end of 1999, some years after the magazine was sold to Panini, since that was when Marvel's licence ran out. Twenty years, more or less. Tony ingram (talk) 16:03, October 20, 2013 (UTC)
Wasn't created by Marvel + Not owned by Marvel anymore = Not a Marvel character. SeanWheeler (talk) 13:30, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

And as I have already pointed out, the Docto has always been regarded as a special case in that regard just like Rom, who was also not created by Marvel. Look, I get it, this bothers you. But I grew up with Marvel UK, Marvel UK was pretty much inextricably linked with Doctor Who, and I and others have put a lot of work into these character entries over the years. They are here for a legitimate reason.Tony ingram (talk) 14:26, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we don't have Capcom characters or DC characters despite appearing in crossovers. If we can't have Mega Man, why would we have Dr. Who? SeanWheeler (talk) 23:42, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
Stop resurrecting dead conversations and stop arguing points that have been explained to you multiple times already. We do not allow licensed characters, unless they have had interactions with a Marvel Universe. Megaman and all the other Capcom characters were not licensed by Marvel, they were still owned by Capcom. It's the same reason we don't have Superman and Batman pages from the DC/Marvel crossovers; Marvel never owned them. The Doctor, Godzilla, ROM, Conan and Red Sonja, all the same boat. Their time and interactions with Marvel are documented.
Bottom Line: The Doctor stays.
--Spencerz (talk) 03:23, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand why SeanWheeler seems to find this issue so contentious.Tony ingram (talk) 05:56, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Citations[]

Zane.waits (talk) 05:03, October 1, 2014 (UTC) Someone went a bit trigger happy with the citation needed tag here. Challenge accepted.

Comic Awareness?[]

Why does he have 'Comic Awareness'? Captainjackster (talk) 00:35, September 3, 2016 (UTC)

New Doctor?[]

Should the new female Doctor be added? I mean she's past the 8th Doctor as much as Capaldi. Schrammbo1965 (talk) 00:22, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

Please only add content that actually appeared in Marvel publications. Thanks. -- Annabell (talk) 00:41, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

Move[]

Added a move tag, so this character isn't listed under the letter T in categories.
KalKent (Anton) (Earth-1218) (talk) 07:06, June 27, 2020 (UTC)

The character's name really is "the Doctor", not "Doctor". (Same goes for the Master.) It's true that’s what he is referred to in the second person, but he always introduces himself by saying "I’m the Doctor." He also says on several occasions a variant of "You may be a Doctor, but I am the Doctor. The definitive, you might say." For another example, the Master's first ever line on television is "I am usually referred to as the Master." He does not say "I am usually referred to as Master," despite that what being what one would call him to his face— because in the third person he is always called "the Master". Basically, it’s a name and not a title. I see the reasoning behind having these pages under D and M respectively, but seeing as the "The" is literally part of their name I think it actually makes more sense to keep them under T. If they are moved, however, I think the titles with "the" should still be a redirect and the page title should be displayed that way. Chubby Potato (talk) 07:24, June 27, 2020 (UTC)
It's kind of odd that we even have a page on The Doctor considering how non-Marvel characters don't usually get pages. I would rather move Earth-5556 characters from Doctor Who to a Character Index or something. Considering how much the Doctor time travels, is Earth-5556 even his original timeline? Is this the same Doctor from the show's expanded universe? Is Doctor Who only exempt from the licensed rule because Marvel gave it a number? Also, The Master's page is just Master (Earth-5556) so moving this to just "Doctor (Earth-5556)" would be consistent. SeanWheeler (talk) 04:51, September 2, 2020 (UTC)
The Doctor has a large connection with Marvel though. It wasn't just a series of comics licensed to and published by Marvel like with Star Wars for example; he and his universe have had considerable interaction with the Marvel Multiverse. The Doctor is important in the history of Death's Head (whom he brought between Styrakos, Earth-120185, Earth-5555 and even Earth-616), has met Merlyn, and is the source of the Sleeze Brothers. Wardog, who also had considerable interaction with the mainstream parts of the Multiverse, comes straight from a story that is extremely important to DW lore and himself has been referenced in later novels. I don't know if this makes any more difference, but in Doctor Who Magazine #173 and Incomplete Death's Head #12 the Doctor is seen side-by-side with many Marvel characters and has a conversation with Captain Britain. Anyways, I think he is a significant part of Marvel history.
As for the Master, I advocated for the page not to be moved and it was anyway. I still think it should be moved back; in the series it's pretty clearly emphasized that the "the" is literally part of these characters' names. Chubby Potato (talk) 06:10, September 2, 2020 (UTC)
Looks like the UCP has a feature where you can sort pages by a different name now, so I think the move is even less necessary. (Maybe this was a feature before but I doubt such a change would have been called for then.) Although I still strongly believe being sorted under T makes more sense, the "the" is part of the name, people know him as "the Doctor" and not "Doctor", Master (Earth-5556) should be moved back to The Master (Earth-5556), etc... Chubby Potato (talk) 11:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Technically, according to Marvel Premiere #57, the Doctor's true name is ∂³Σx² - so shouldn't this page be at ∂³Σx² (Earth-5556) in accordance with Marvel Database:Article Guidelines#Article Naming?

19:26, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I highly doubt a comic from the 80's had revealed the Doctor's true name. It remains a mystery to this day in the show. And besides, that algebraic expression for a name would be impossible to type. SeanWheeler (talk) 00:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, it's not just that one feature that revealed the name; it has also been said to be the Doctor's real name in another Doctor Who reference work, and appeared a few other times without much context.
That being said, in Doctor who sources, the Doctor's real name is extremely contentious, as some sources state that "Dr. Who" is his actual name, others "the Doctor", others things like Theta Sigma and so on, so a rename is probably not viable.
Though, the point about the mathematical equation being impossible to type is circumvented by redirects, though at that point, what is the point of having the page at ∂³Σx² other than to uphold policy?
Also, worth pointing out, though I doubt you meant anything by it, is that the television series is not the "highest authority" when it comes to lore.
However, I think that ∂³Σx² should be noted on this page as a potential candidate for the Doctor's real name. 15:02, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Deletion[]

I just read the talk page for Earth-5556, and according to the discussion over there, Earth-5556 isn't even The Doctor's universe. It's just one universe he visited in a comic with King Arthur and Merlyn. So The Doctor isn't even part of the Marvel Multiverse, he's just a licensed character who travelled the Omniverse for the crossover. Godzilla, Red Sonja, Rom and Conan all have Earth-616 pages. The Doctor's Earth designation was given to an empty Earth just because it has no known inhabitants. That Earth's talk page had Spencerz of all people suggest a TRN for The Doctor, but the List of Current Temporary Reality Numbers has forbid TRNs for licensed titles and characters. And all the Doctor Who characters have been deleted from this wiki last year except for The Doctor and the race of Daleks, which is separate page from the Punisher's Dalek knockoffs. And while we argue about what The Doctor's name should be, I think this page should be deleted outright. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not true that Earth-5556 is the random universe seen in The Neutron Knights; what is said is that the world the Doctor visits in that comic is a "possible future of Earth-5556", and in the comic, this is said to be a possible future of the Earth known to the Doctor. It was a roundabout way of giving the Doctor a reality number by using Merlin, a character much more connected to Marvel, and also because time travel/parallel universes in Doctor Who do not always work the same way as in the Marvel Multiverse. Otherwise, why even name this reality at all? Chubby Potato (talk) 22:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Considering how Merlin is a public domain character that exists in many different works, is there anything proving that the Merlin in that story was Marvel's Merlyn? And yeah, time travel in Doctor Who is completely different from Marvel. It's the trope namer for the Timey-Wimey Ball which is inconsistent rules about time travel that the writers can make up for any episode, while Marvel more consistently uses the multiverse theory. Sometimes Doctor Who uses Novikov time loops, and sometimes messing with time causes crazy stuff to happen like keeping your father alive could summon reapers, or refusing to kill the Doctor when you're supposed to would create a world where everything from every era existing all at once with the clock stopped. Even though we knew the Eleventh Doctor was going to survive that moment anyway. And there are alternate timelines too. This wiki enforces the multiverse rule on time travel stories even if they actually use the ripple effect like in the X-Men films Days of Future Past and Deadpool 2, mainly because Marvel does number alternate timelines as separate Earths. And if Marvel only confirmed Earth-5556 to be the universe of Doctor Who Monthly #60, we don't know the universe number the other Doctor Who stories are set in or the Doctor's home universe. SeanWheeler (talk) 06:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, the incarnation of Merlin seen in The Neutron Knights is definitely the one seen in other Marvel stories. All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z #7's entry on Merlyn says so; it has an image of the many guises of Merlin including the one seen in DWM, and is actually the source of the Earth-5556 designation: "[Merlyn] tracked Catavolcus to the far future of Earth-5556, where Merlyn and Arthur trapped the warlord using a fusion device known as the Dragon as bait. Catavolcus attempted to obtain the Dragon, only to be killed when Merlyn set it to overload; Merlyn and Arthur escaped the blast with the aid of the time-traveling Doctor." In the story, Merlyn describes the future world it is set in to the Doctor as something to the extent of "the future of your Earth". Basically, the story is set in some unnamed reality that isn't even worthy of a TRN, said to be a future of the Doctor's earth, and the handbook says this reality is a future of Earth-5556. Hence, Earth-5556 is some version of reality well-known to the Doctor; the obvious conclusion is that the handbook editors were giving a number to the "Doctor Who universe" and the Doctor in this way because they couldn't really call it that explicitly, even though the DW universe doesn't quite work that way. Chubby Potato (talk) 08:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
This article is using non-Marvel sources. A recent update to the page was based on revelations from The Power of the Doctor and a lot of sources come from Doctor Who episodes, which are not Marvel. Could we not use TV sources on this page? They make the page not belong on this wiki. SeanWheeler (talk) 05:27, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
I've felt that way for a while, since this page's inception it's been using somewhat of a stretch for a Marvel context. I’ve been meaning to rewrite it using Marvel-related sources and in the context of Marvel appearances only but never found the time, so thanks for the reminder, I'll try to do it soon. Chubby Potato (talk) 09:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Why?[]

What is the point of this article? Obviously, the Doctor does not exist in the Marvel Universe, no more than the EU Star Wars stories do. - The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheBuddyHale (talk • contribs).

  • The Doctor has explicitly interacted with and is tied to the backstory of Marvel character Death's Head (Styrakos). HBK123 (talk) 23:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
The Transformers were tied to Death's Head, but they don't get articles. Marvel's had a lot of crossover stories, and yet the third-party characters don't get articles unless they exist in Earth-616 like in the cases of Red Sonja, ROM the Space Knight, or the Micronauts. The Doctor doesn't have a 616 version and most of this article uses episodes from the show instead of Marvel sources. SeanWheeler (talk) 00:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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