Talk:Thor Odinson (Earth-616)

The main page of this character has been moved to a more Google-Friendly name to help with our google rankings. It is intended to be a permanent change for the major characters who are affected. — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 19:52, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sigfried

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Thor

Odin admitted to wiping Thor's memory of the Sigfried adventure in Defenders I#109. ``````Enda80

Picture move

Sorry, had to move the picture (thor_002.jpg) as it was partially blocking the character template image (check 4:03 August 1 and 21:55 July 22). Thanks. Heavenstorm 04:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Powerset erased

Someone erased most of the powers under the Power Category and I don't know how to get it back the way it was.

~~EDN1980~~

Do you happen to know what powers? What you can do is check: this and see if you can find the revision that "changed" things. If you can tell us what was changed out, we can easily add it back as needed. --M1shawhan 22:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I've noticed that too. I was about to add something to the fligt section, and when I checked, it was not there! I'll check too.Undominanthybrid (talk) 10:50, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Strength Level

Is Thor really stronger than the Hulk? I know that when he had the Odin Force he could have defeated the Hulk in a split second, but after his rebirth is he really powerful enough to defeat the Hulk?

tunde 23:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)Tun7890

Thor is probably stronger than a calm Hulk, but probably not War Hulk or Savage Hulk if he gets really pissed off. I haven't seen Thor do much with the Odinforce since his rebirth, other than raise Asgard from the Kansas plains. With the Odinforce and the power of the Runes, he should be able to repair Mjolnir without too much trouble, but we'll see who Blake finds to help. Chadlupkes 00:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thor is really stronger than the Hulk especially after his rebirth.

The truth is that guys like Hulk & Thor are both equally strong and yet whenever they fight Hulk always seems to get the best of him which is wrong, I want marvel to get their facts straight, and the next time they clash I hope Thor kicks Hulks ass and teaches hulk that he's not the strongest there is but only one of the strongest.

Ash 16:56, 17 October 2012

Oh, we are so sorry to disappoint you. Get a life, Thor fanboy. If Thor uses all of his powers at full strength then he does obviously have an edge, but in terms of physical strength Hulk can match anyone in the universe given the time, which can happen in seconds if his temper flares up. Hulk has evenly fought and in a way beaten a warrior's madness Thor, which boosts all his physical attributes. It also hinted what a hero Hulk is. He punched Thor away from the place right before a nuke struck, which he could've done any other time(god knows why he thought that the nuke would hurt Thor though). You can't be evenly strong as Hulk 'cause you never know what his strength is at a timeUndominanthybrid (talk) 13:57, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Loss of the Odinforce Issue 602

I was just wondering, if the creation of Mjolnir entailed Odin to invest a portion of his Odinpower inside Mjolnir just like Thor did in #602 to repair it, shouldn't Thor still recover the power he used via the Odinsleep or as Odin coined it...the Thorsleep? Odin would hit the sheets and wake up stronger than ever, Odinpower restored and all. Draining most of the Odinpower from recreating Asgard to awakening the Asgardians, Thor underwent the Thorsleep to replenish the power he used up doing those things. So it just goes to show that if Thor would take that sleep, the portion of the Odinpower that resides in him would be replenished, thus having Thor retain the Odinpower. Just my 5cents worth.

--mma6799--

thor's strength

"He has shown enough strength to move and lift objects that are as large as the Earth and shatter entire planets with his blows. Thor is one of the physically strongest beings to ever walk the Earth and one of the most physically powerful beings in the Universe. He is arguably the strongest being on the planet and is the most powerful being on the planet."

there is no ciattaions for able to lift objects as large as the earth, adn don't you mean heavy :S ? him being powerful

theres too much waffling here - The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ankur29 (talk • contribs).

Well, in all honesty, I do agree with you, but I doubt our opinions shall count for much here... Ralnon (talk) 19:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The Earth, or any planet for that matter, cannot be lifted, as lifting constitutes working against gravity. It sounds like that section needs to be dramatically improved. Anyone feel free to do so!

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 15:25, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Main Image

this isnt just with Thor, its with others too. should we really have fan art as their main image on their individual pages? --Johnnybravo44 04:15, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, there's no written rule about it, so I let it fly. I was trying to figure out a good reason to cut it out, but nothing came to mind immediately. (It just kinda looks shotty).

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 04:18, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

cool thanks just lookin for a second opinion :) --Johnnybravo44 04:35, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

We might not have rules specifically about it, but I also don't feel fan art belongs as a characters main image. Of course, if I had my way, all characters would use an image from their first appearance as their infobox image, which doesn't seem so popular since everyone seems to want to put really recent images in the infoboxes. --Squirrelloid 12:31, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it's a great looking image, but I don't think it should be the main image and shouldn't even be on the bio page. Otherwise we open it up for everyone to put their fanart all over the page. And as great as a lot of them are, they're not "official" images. Eetmi 23:55, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Also, is it just me, or did that Thor get a shoulder transplant from Colossus? I mean, his shoulder, its all shiny and metallic, yet its so clearly just bare muscle - there's not even fabric over it! --Squirrelloid 00:03, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thor's Fighting Skill

If he's so good, able to fight Cap to a standstill while depowered and is so good with so many different kinds of weapons, how is he 4/7? He sounds like he should at least be a 5 or 6.

It's not always such a clear cut case, especially with fighting skills - having a higher rating doesn't necessarily mean a character will win every fight against one with a lower rating. It just means his training is better. From what I can tell, 5 and above is more for martial arts, which Thor definitely is not a master of. His approach seems to be more... let's say Conan-like.--edkaufman (talk) 09:37, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fighting skill is usually based on the number of forms of combat mastered. This doesn't mean they're better fighters than someone with a lower skill, it just means they know more fighting styles. If you know ONE style, but know it well enough to defend against all attackers, you're going to win, regardless of how many skills your opponent knows.

--GrnMarvl14 15:14, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Marvel.com used to have a page that described how the power grids are set up, and why they're mostly inaccurate, but they don't have that page anymore. The power grid system is meant to generally provide a brief overview of the character's ratings, not to explicitly tell you what their maximum capabilities are. It's supposed to give you an idea of where the character lies on the overall scale, but not tell you what they could really do.

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 17:27, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Marvel.com doesn't have a Power Grid page anymore, you say?

--GrnMarvl14 18:06, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

No, not that they don't have one, but they don't have one like I remember reading, explaining the inaccuracies and that the grids are guidelines and not definitive answers. That one, we even have. ;)

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 20:18, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

You are looking at the wrong page. It's not on the Power grid page (though it probably should be), it's on the corrections page.

http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU%3AData_Corrections#General_Power_Grids Lokiofmidgaard 21:40, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Much better, thanks! I knew it was around there somewhere, I just kept breezing through that text...

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 06:04, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

its not that thor is not a great fighter or does not know martial arts as a martial art is not just things like karate or kung fu its also things like wrestling and grappling. also thor will generally fight an opponent who is an adept martial artist using there style. so if your like the hulk and brawl Thor will use a brawling style meaning the better his opponet the better thor will fight. thor also has only has exselerated healing and not adaptive healing like the hulk wolverine or deadpool so he has his limits when fighting his physical equals at times. Thor would by his nature as the Norse god of strength would prefer a more brutal brawling style favoring stranght and power based. but as a god of combat and war he is also profanation in other forms of hand to hand combatby nature. (Guyver92 (talk) 18:37, March 24, 2015 (UTC))

Personality

"Thor starts out as a brash, young, and arrogant prince who defies the will of his father and places his selfish needs before that of those around him. Due to his mighty power and appearance, he felt that he was entitled to rule with an iron fist. However, once he arrives on Earth and meets Jane Foster who showed him kindness and love, Thor is smitten and begins to develop a humble and compassionate heart."

Unless there was a retcon I missed, this doesn't sound like Earth-616 Thor. I think someone is confusing the movie storyline with the comics. --MutantMenace 19:21, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think you're right, and I removed it. Even if it WAS accurate, the bottom of the history isn't the best place for it (of course, the best place would be on the Thor Odinson (Earth-199999) page).

--GrnMarvl14 00:23, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Someone inserting variations of this. It's getting tedious. Thor hated tyrants who ruled with an iron fist in the early issues. In fact, he spends most of his time as Don Blake. He doesn't even question his origins. He's not a selfish character in the Tales of Asgard either.--MutantMenace 03:56, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure he's humble? Evenry time he opens his mouth there is a hint of arrogance and pride. He can be also quite insensitive at rare times.Undominanthybrid (talk) 14:00, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

some of his arrogance and pride comes from spending around 1000-3000 years on the battle field. his insensitivety comes from growing up in a culture that values martial accomplishments. a lot of pepole also over look the fact that Thor is actually very intelligent as he has the intellect of Donald Blake one of the best doctors and surges in the marvel universes its just we never get to see thor using it to say save an avenger or bystander from a apeniesitise.( i know i buchered that word but dont feel like searching for it.) I think it would be nice to see thor doing something like this in the cartoon or in the comics every once in a while. like after a catastrphic villan attack thor scrubs in to preform serguery on hurt civilians--Guyver92 (talk) 18:46, March 24, 2015 (UTC).

First Appearance

This has been confirmed by the Marvel Handbooks and Official Index, Thor's first appearance has been retconned to Venus #11

Nausiated (talk) 01:59, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Links

Not sure why the link to the longer more expansive Thor link was removed, but I searched back as far as I could to try and find the reason for it, but I re-added it. I know there's some gibberish about relevancy as how material is filtered here, but since there's nothing in it contradictory to the bio, I replaced it until I hear otherwise. Thor2000 (talk) 16:38, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Mjolnir

Shouldn’t Thor Odinson be able to somehow find say the first and most powerful Mjolnir from the time of the original Thor? After all do to their having been several Ragnarök and unless the dwarfs melted down Mjolnir each time to make the hammer there should be alternant forms of the hammer some were in Asgard or were the beings who fed on the energy of the Asgardians home(I forgot there name.)

- The preceding unsigned comment was added by Guyver92 (talk • contribs).

• The Siegfried storyline I think had one version of Mjolnir turned into the Rhinegold, but I think that was all ret-conned out, but even then, there could be an earlier Germanic version of the Asgardians if I understand how Marvel's cycles of Ragnarok work. It just depends on whether or not someone at Marvel wants to establish an original incarnation of Asgardians. Thor2000 (talk) 14:51, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

it has been recounted by having the red haired Thor in the recon caption america comics. also as the asgaurd in myth is the first one and the relativity of time as i feel the only true clock is the rotation of the universe and the evidence of Thor's hair color change that there has been at least one earlier form of Asgard before the marvel one. the hair color change cant realy be redacted as he had not only red hair on his head but also a red beard in 1951.there as probably been at least four counting final Ragnarök that occurred in the 616 marvel universe. also the fact that earlier thor's is the child of Frigga and not Geae supports that there has been at least a few more Asgard's. also the fact that Thor has a half sister in angela supports the exsistins of other Asgard's.

in theory if thor climes down past the roots of the current Yggdrasill he would arrive in one of the other Asgard's were that ausgard's thor's corps would be laying with the corps of the midgaurd serpent and one of the earlier Mjolnir's would be laying next to him. and as thors soul is the same as all other thors thanks to his godforce that Mjolnir would respond to the current Thor. especially since i feel the secret whispered to Thor by fury was to change the enchantment of the hammer so it reads she be worthy instead of he be worthy as fury would have the knolage of how the weapon was enchanted.--Guyver92 (talk) 19:16, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Strength level section is misleading.

The "strength level" section at the bottom mentions how Thor was listed as "class 95" in early marvel handbooks and then proceeds to give a long explanation for how this is not to be taken seriously and is just a way of showing who is stronger than the other...

But shouldn't it at least be mentioned that this "fault" has long since been corrected and that the most recent marvel handbooks list him as class 100+, as he should be. It just seems unnecessary to argue against an outdated hanbook.

If anything it should say something like "The current marvel handbook listst Thor as class 100, however the early handbook..." Darthnowell (talk) 21:35, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, Vol.2 #13 lists it as class 100. Frankly, this article suffers (like so many on this wiki) under the bloated weight of people publishing junk data like, "Thor nearly killed Angrir with a powerful blow, who had defeated the base level Red Hulk (He grows much more powerful from absorbing energy)". There is a point where one or two examples might be useful to set a yardstick from which to gauge an attribute, but many examples just add to a pointless collection of words that might be better off in the History section. The handbooks themselves cover strength in one or two sentences, which makes for a much better read. -- WarBlade (talk) 22:10, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thor has sometimes been listed as class 95, sometimes as exactly class 100 (perhaps most recently in Encyclopedia Mythologica), and sometimes as class 100+. This is not misleading. It is the truth of the matter. In addition, if people use him as a gauge, it is very noteworthy that the Red Hulk has a highly variable power level. But if you wish to remove the latter sentence entirely instead, feel free to do so. Antvasima (talk) 04:31, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yes he has been listed as class 95 in the past but he no longer is, and hasn't been for a very long time. It's just pointless to have a large section dedicated to "explaining" an outdated handbook that holds no weight anymore. Darthnowell (talk) 13:34, May 17, 2015 (UTC)