Vertigo (Earth-616)

I think that this page should be moved to just Vertigo (Earth-616). It is the bigger character over than Salem's Seven. It's two alternate universe's pages are just plain Vertigo, and then the universe. The Savage Land Mutate part should be taken out. Anyone agree? --Johnnybravo44 02:52, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't. It's largely subjective that you think this character is bigger than the Salem's Seven member. This one has had more appearances because she's an X-Man villain, but she's really never had any "character moments" - she turns up as a member of a large group of villains, fights, gets beaten. The Salem's Seven member has had scenes that aren't just her fighting people. Plus, all it would take is one writer to feature her in a run of issues, and suddenly she becomes unquestionably the "bigger character". So it's also subject to change suddenly. Would we then drop the qualifier in the Salem's Seven character and reinstate the qualifier here? If you want to have a plain Vertigo (Earth-616) page then it would be better to have that be a disambiguation pointing to both characters. Lokiofmidgaard 08:21, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

I only said she was the bigger character because she had two counterparts, whereas Salems Seven doesn't. --Johnnybravo44 14:52, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
If we count who's bigger based on who has counterparts in other realities, that could also switch round in the space of a single comic. There's an alternate Salem's Seven in the Avengers: United They Stand cartoon, including Vertigo, so she has one counterpart already. Who is "bigger" remains very subjective. Lokiofmidgaard 15:57, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. So should this stay the same and her two counterparts add in (Savage Land Mutate)? --Johnnybravo44 16:38, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
Yes on her staying the same; maybe on adding the qualifier to the others. It'd be more consistent to have all the Mutate Vertigo's listed as such, but (1) those realities have no Salem's Seven Vertigo that we know of, so it isn't vital for disambiguating them, and (2) more importantly, we don't know for sure that in those realities she is a Savage Land Mutate. She might simply be a mutant in those timelines. Lokiofmidgaard 16:45, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
True.. I think there are actually two Vertigos, or the one in Marauders is just a clone anyhow.. I found out she does appear more times as a member of the Marauders (whether in a handbook, flashback, or on a screen) then she does as a member of the Savage Land Mutates. --Johnnybravo44 18:41, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Killed by X-Man?

when was she killed by Nathaniel Gray? Not mentioned in the article, but shows up in the list of categories. I suggest both or neither. Eschiss1 (talk) 13:10, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Same for Blockbuster. I'm gonna search in one of my few X-Man issue, I think I seen it once.Undoniel (talk) 13:22, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
X-Man #13. Undoniel (talk) 14:17, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Vertigo - Mutant or Not?

Just wondering if Vertigo is not a mutant, then why was she killed by Predator X who are genetically engineered to hunt down and kill only mutants. Any explanation would be helpful maybe a writer's mistake. Please comment. - Gijimu (talk) 21:00, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

While Vertigo has been sometimes described as a mutant (by readers, never seen on-panel except for the Age of X exception), because of her constant affiliation with Sinister's mutants, and she is even clearly stated as a mutant (with a reference) for her Age of X counterpart.
She was stated to be a mutate from the beginning. So that leave only hypothesis, in-waiting for a confirmation or infirmation :
  • She was killed in the action: The Predator X was in middle of Westchester, surrounded by mutants, he got teleported to Muir, surrounded by mutants, target Mercury or Gentle who esquive, only to rip off Vertigo.
  • She is a natural mutant (or via Sinister's modifications)
  • The writer made an error (to be explained by the "killed in action" thing.
Looking for any information on that subject, I only found French wiki stating mutant, but confusing mutate and mutant, and wiki English highlighting a non-mutant nature, strange for her affiliation with mutant team Marauders.
The last entry in a handbook did not make any statement on her status. Until further information, we have to state that she is still a Savage Mutate, and not a mutant.
--Undoniel (talk) 00:59, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Still I thought even though Pred X got teleported his tracking senses would already determine who was or wasn't a mutant because I'm looking at the Messiah Complex issue right now. They are genetically only suppose track targets with the X-gene and Vertigo wasn't attack right away. Their senses are supposed to be spot on so it must been a writer or artist mistake then. - Gijimu (talk) 01:15, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

The scene is quite confuse. We don't see Vertigo on the panel before where she is killed. And the following panel, she is closely next to Pixie.
Another possibility is that she smelled like a mutant at that time (blood?). A sentinel can be lured that way (Deadpool wearing a Predator X skin), so maybe.
Better stay on the writer/artist mistake instead of wrongly state her as a mutant. At least for now.
--Undoniel (talk) 01:38, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
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