2007 version

should we consider the current version a separate character? It's always tough on this type of character koku 13:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

mmmm...It is actually another robot, or the same one with different memories? Copycat989 16:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

He hasn't really been the same 'person' since the government erased his memory, even though he had the same body. Subsequent alterations are merely icing on the cake. Bottom-line: I don't know? --Squirrelloid 22:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a new body (what used to be Iron Lad's armor), same memories. He just doesn't have the 'experience.' I guess it could stay the same with Kid Vision or whatever as an alias. koku 20:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Stupid question, I'm sure: Aside from giving all of this particular Vision's alternate forms a disambig page...why is he Victor Shade? That was merely an alias he randomly adopted (and randomly used). It would sort of be like having Magnus (Earth-616) for Magneto. Or Logan (Earth-616) for Wolverine. Or Donald Blake (Earth-616) for Thor. Shouldn't it be Vision (Robot) (Earth-616) or Vision (Android) (Earth-616) or Vision (Synthezoid) (Earth-616) or, at the most, Vision (Victor Shade) (Earth-616)? Especially since it's not confirmed that many (any?) of his alternate dimensional counterparts have used the Victor Shade identity. GrnMarvl14 01:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I was the first person to move the page from Vision (Victor Shade) to Victor Shade, and I was probably incorrect at the time thinking that because Victor Shade was in the parenthesis next to his name, that it was his actual, documented, real name. If you would like to propose a new name for the article, (and perhaps the related disambigs), add: {{Move|And The name you'd like it to be}} at the top of the article.
As to the alternate universe versions, I completely agree. They should not be named Victor Shade unless they were specifically called that at some point in their appearances. If you can, add the Move stub (above) to the applicable ones, and they will eventually be moved correctly.
Why can't these guys have a real name like everyone else? ; )
--Peteparker 19:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Agreed...just pick a dang name Marvel...come on! ;) --M1shawhan 23:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


One question: if the Vision can increase his weight up to 90 Tons and he can fight at that weight, why the database says he can lift only 50 tons? (VORKOSIGAN, 31 August 2007)

Good question!
We should investigate further...
--Jamie 23:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Young Vision

I still think there should be a different article for the young avenger's vision, because it is a different body (from Iron Lad's armor) and also has diferent memeories, even the size of the current and the original look diferent, the only thing the have in common is their database. Rozky

Relatives and Vision's self

I was wondering about the two things in this heading, which are related in a way.

How are the relatives of characters in the database determined? Are they only mentioned as relatives if a relationship is stated outright, if it is simply implied, or in even more general cases ? In the latter two cases, there are several more 'family' members that could be included in the list, I think. If it's the former, though, aren't there several names that could be struck off the family list?

Which do you suggest? The Relatives category on most character pages is largely undefined. I'd say, for the most part, the immediate family members are included, but beyond that, it's really up to the person submitting the information.
--Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talkcontribsemail) 19:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The second issue I would like to talk about revolves around Vision's different 'personas'. It is for the following reason that I would agree that it is memories which are one of the bases upon which someone determines whether an individual is the same person or not. I think the idea of Vision's different identities would be similar to Vanessa Carlysle's method of shapeshifting and nothing else. She copies the template (body encasement) she wants to morph into, right down to the synaptic (electrical circuitry), and even the genetic (programming), level yet even she is still considered to be Copycat who just masqueraded as someone else, when the truth is revealed. I also believe that another reason that this would be the correct course for Marvel to take would be the even greater confusion it would cause in the current family list, as well as the audience, since making each identity different would technically, I believe, make each version of Vision be half-brother to each other. Strongholyscholar 08:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't follow the Vision closely enough to really determine if each identity is really him in another form or a totally different person. However, it sounds like you know enough about them to make that determination. What do you suggest? Are there other identities that should be merged into this article, or are there sections of this article that deserve a completely separate article of their own?
--Your Friendly Neighborhood Peteparker (talkcontribsemail) 19:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been reading the Relatives thread in the forums, on both of these issues, and I think they have some excellent suggestions. They suggest separating the two identities, though, which I'm still not sure about. On the other issue where they suggest listing only those with mutually consenting familial connections and/or a 'blood'tie (I'm putting apostrophes around the word blood to indicate that I am also talking about artificial lifeforms such as Vision, as well) as family, I agree with. They did add, I believe, though, that those with a 'blood'tie, alone, should be mentioned (still as family, I think?) but only as the source of the individual. But I do agree with that, too. Strongholyscholar 02:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Okay, this might be a dumb question but can Rogue absorb Visions powers? Dr Time 16:02, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Good question. Technically her power only applies to organics, but in theory if he was organic she could. Since his powers are part of his circuitry, I would assume not though. Uncanny X-Factor (talk) 16:44, September 20, 2015 (UTC)Uncanny X-Factor

Copy edit

Section Vision (Earth-616)#Grim Reaper should be changed to past tense. —Mrkermit (talk) 21:35, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks to Uncanny X-Factor, I removed the article from Category:Copy Edit. —Mrkermit (talk) 01:13, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Harmful weight

Passing a part or all of his body within another living being and ever so slightly increasing his density (tangibility) enables him to direct that living beings actions. Even increasing his density to one half ounce (14.25 grams) is sufficient to cause the organism he passes through excruciating pain, a shock to the nervous system, and unconsciousness.

Does anyone know where this 14.25 gram / 0.5 ounce measurement comes from? Curious to know which issue first mentioned it. talk2ty 03:58, April 10, 2018 (UTC)


Should Jack Kirby and Joe Simon be listed as creators, as they inspired Roy Thomas to create this character with Aarkus? (Roy liked to work round characters Marvel had already created). Captain Ultimantium (talk) 18:40, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

No, that would be taking the standards for what warrants creator credits to an exaggerated level. You said it yourself, Kirby and Simon's role only consists of having created the character Thomas took inspiration from.
--The ADour-incible ADour (talk) 19:27, March 19, 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Captain Ultimantium (talk) 10:54, March 20, 2019 (UTC)
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