Talk:William Kaplan (Earth-616)

Sexual Orientation

I doubt that we should have a line specifically for sexual orientation. You might put it in notes. Otherwise, we should put everyone's sexual orientation on the site...which would be pointless IMHO since only few deviate from heterosexual. What does everyone think? --M1shawhan 01:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we leave it like this... This character became popular for his sexual orientation... I've read young avengers just because this made me curious :) Copycat989 05:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

But to have a whole other section for this...I agree this character is probably popular for this and I have no problem with it but I think that it is a trivial section HEADER and should be a note and or added into the trivia about this character, which a normal reader would not think of. Besides...we already have him in the category "Gay Characters".

Plus, I just wanted to raise a debate question and get your blood boiling Copycat!  ;) --M1shawhan 06:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

My blood is NOT boiling!!! :)) Copycat989 19:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Powers

Can someone clean up the power section of this article? Please? User:EDN1980

Sure! :)

--Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 17:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Can someone add in Wiccan having Chaos Magic and/or reality warping because his power page is a mess. User:Klholk

Attacking

His energy projection should be a 6, considering he has atleast four different elements to hit you with. -- Stormbaron 04:24, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Does Billy use Chaos Magic like Wanda I wasn't sure since Wanda wasn't really born with her powers the way they are but then Billy was kinda born different too --Raven Darkholme (talk) 03:59, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

This was elaborated on in Childrens Crusaders that his powers are based off of his moms the Scarlet Witch's powers so I would be most certain that Billy does possesses Chaos Magic but his is a more controlled version of it. -- Klholk 06:03, December 9, 2018

Mutant?

Is he actually a mutant? He is usually described as a witch, and I don't remember any mention of the fact that he is a mutant. I have only one handbook with him, All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe #12, and his powers described as magical, and no words about mutation. Harasar 18:18, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

This is mostly just me guessing, so I certainly could be wrong. I think Billy is both a mutant and magician. I think Billy's mutant power is electrokinesis and his other abilities stem from his magical aptitude. Here's my reasoning: (1) When Billy first manifests his powers in Young Avengers Special #1 they are lighting based with no incantation, (2) in an interview creator Allan Heinberg suggests that Billy chose his original codename (Asgardian) not because he favored Thor (Scarlet Witch was always his favorite Avenger, see Young Avengers Special #1) but because of his lightning based powers, (3) Hulkling suggests that Billy learned magic AFTER joining the YA and meeting him, (5) when attacking the Growing Men in Young Avengers #3, Iron Lad tells Billy to use his powers and Billy stays that the Growing Men are lightning proof (suggesting this is his main power), to which Iron Lad replies "Use you other powers", (6) even though Wiccan/Speed's relation to the Scarlet Witch is dubious, it still appears she is their mother and mutants almost always have mutant children (the one exception I can think of is Graydon Creed).

I think in most OHOTMU would only mention his magical powers, but I also don't think the writers of OHOTMU are as nitpicky as some fans (including Marvel Wiki editors). I know their is usually little to no distinction made from magical versus mutant powers made in most OHOTMU entries for the Scarlet Witch, Pixie or Magik. I'm fine with leaving the article as is until Children's Crusade ends to see if it doesn't clear up the issue, but I feel like like if the question goes unanswered the article should at VERY least address this in the notes section.

Hope that all made sense.

--Gipdac 11:05, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

The Children's Crusade #6 already stated what Wiccan and Speed are Wanda's reincarnated sons. But they have only Maximoff's souls, not bodies, so biologicaly they are not Wanda's sons, so there is no reason why they should be mutants.

Wiccan's electrokinesis may be just a more developed than other powers. Like Storm, who usually uses lightnings and winds, but her powers are much more extensive.

So while Billy wouldn't be officially called a mutant, we also shouldn't call him a mutant.--Harasar 13:39, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Whether he's physically Wanda's son or not shouldn't weigh in to whether he's a mutant or not. Most mutants are from human parents, and even mutants can have human children (Graydon Creed).

--GrnMarvl14 14:31, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

So in light of Emma Frost's comments in Avengers: Children's Crusade #7, it appears both Wiccan and Speed are confirmed mutants. Just to set out my points before the debate continues: (1) this book is written by Wiccan and Speed's actually creator, Allan Heinberg, unlike some other recent YA comics (i.e. Siege: Young Avengers, the Young Avengers Present series or I Am An Avenger #1). This should lend some credibility to the statement. (2) Emma Frost made the statement. Emma Frost has also spent an extensive amount of time in Cerebra and therefore has probably known for a while that these two were mutants. Anyways, with this new info, I think we should change Wiccan back to being classified as BOTH a mutant and mage.

--Gipdac 02:21, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's good enough for me, at least until something else says otherwise.

--GrnMarvl14 02:31, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not that this is still an issue, but I found another reference to Billy and Tommy being mutants. Tommy identifies himself and Billy as mutants in Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers #3.

--Gipdac (talk) 14:06, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Mutant?(again)

I've been thinking later, about Billy and Tommy's powers and them being considered mutants. First of all, that was never really addressed completely and was only a thing because they were Wanda's children and were supposedly born with their powers, but, recently, we learn that Wanda is not really a mutant, so is for sure that Billy didn't "inherit his mother's mutant genes" like the article says.

About the powers, there is the thing that they have the souls of the magical Wanda and Vision kids, which are/were part of Mephisto, what I assume is enough reason for them to have their powers.

Even most recently, there was a thing on New Avengers. Sunspot is being affected by the mists and because of that, it's not being a field member of the team. When Hawkeye was confused about that, he said "But Squirrel Girl is fine". Billy wasn't even considered as a (possible or not) mutant because that doesn't seem to be how his character is seen on the MU, both by characters and writers/editors. I'm assuming this extends to Tommy as well. CaptainWiccan (talk) 20:25, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

The Scarlet Witch's X-gene has been called into question hasn't it? While they might have thought they were mutants, they might not be. IlovetheYA (talk) 23:28, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

As far as I remember in Children's Crusade series Billy and Tommy was called mutants by Emma Frost. As for why Billy didn't affected by M-Pox - he is reality warper and it would be strange if he can't protect himself. --Harasar (talk) 06:10, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Wanda Maximoff's status has nothing to do with William Kaplan's, as he's not actually her son and thus there shouldn't be mention of genetic inheritance in this article; furthermore, Humans gave birth to Mutants all the time (at least before M-Pox) regardless, so parentage is not predictive. Anyway, I'd say we have to go by what's in the actual comics, and there we see both Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers #3 and Avengers: The Children's Crusade #7 identify Billy as a Mutant, plus nothing direct since then to suggest that's inaccurate. -- Annabell (talk) 06:42, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

I agree. Their status as mutants may be in question, but until more information is given to specifically clarify the matter, I think we need to accept the previously established canon from Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers #3 and Avengers: The Children's Crusade #7. Additionally, M-Pox seems to differ widely in how it affects individual mutants. --Gipdac (talk) 17:33, May 18, 2016 (UTC)

Still mutant ?

After the revelations about the Scarlet Witch: [1]. It doesn't give any answer, but their mutant status is challenged. Undoniel (talk) 11:23, September 30, 2016 (UTC)

Wanda's status should have nothing to do with Billy's, as he's not actually her son and thus there's no genetic inheritance; furthermore, Humans gave birth to Mutants all the time (at least before M-Pox), so parentage is in no way a predictive indicator.

Anyway, for our purposes I'd say we have to continue to go by what's in the actual comics, and at this time there we unquestionably see both Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avengers #3 and Avengers: The Children's Crusade #7 identify Billy as a mutant, thus with nothing in comics since then directly suggesting that's inaccurate, it should remain. -- Annabell (talk) 19:43, September 30, 2016 (UTC)

Quote

A fella just added a new quote for the page and it was reverted by an admin. I think the new quote was better than the old one, and definitely newer. Uncanny X-Factor (talk) 21:18, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

Limitations of Reality Warping

Hi everyone, I've always wondered: since Wiccan's main power is Reality Warping, what are his limitations? I mean, since it's all about will if I'm not wrong, then he could just solve any bad situation by thinking about it, couldn't he? Or does his power only allows him to increase probabilities? Thanks guys, Jean Neige (talk) 09:52, April 27, 2017 (UTC)

His powers have seemed to evolve over time. As he has grown up, he has learned how to use them more fully. In the initial Young Avengers Runs, he had to say what he wanted to happen many times in a row in order to have it happen, and if someone interrupted him (by say hitting him), what he was attempting failed. He also used to be unable to cast his "spells" if he couldn't hear himself talking #4 Looking at later instances of his abilities, he has begun to be able to alter reality just by saying simple phrases.New Avengers (Vol. 4) #5 It seems to function like a muscle. The more he exercises it, the more powerful it becomes. That also might be why he hasn't solved every problem. He could try, but it might still be too much.IlovetheYA (talk) 12:58, April 27, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, mate! =) -- Jean Neige (talk) 20:13, April 27, 2017 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that is powers are not infallible. Once when he tried to solve the problem of Hulkling's dead mom, he instead brought Mother into Earth-616 (see Young Avengers (Vol. 2)).

--Gipdac (talk) 02:05, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

My reason for locking the page

Due to a seemly never ending string of alt accounts adding inaccurate information, I have decided to protect the page from new users for one week.
--Nurdboy42 (talk) 21:05, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

I blocked ten of their accounts and the system autoblocked several others, so hopefully they'll get the hint. -- Annabell (talk) 21:19, July 4, 2017 (UTC)