Thanks for adding stories to the list. excellent work
--RyanGut 13:28, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
The flashback stories/ -1 ,e.g. Wolverine, are not on this page because they are flashbacks. This is a reading order and they are read later but flashback to this era.
Thanks for looking at the list. The end of the list has not been edited and needs a lot of work.
--Ryangut 15:44, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
Crossovers and Wolverine: Amazing Immortal Man #1
First of all, what do the WildCATS/X-Men and Team X/Team 7 crossovers do here? I know, they are about X-Men, and this list is about X-Men, but those are god damn non-canon crossovers, so why are they here? I mean, if they can be here, why are the Ultimate origins here? or something like Amalgam or Noir Universes?
the second thing is: i don't really think that second and third stories of Wolverine: Amazing Immortal Man #1 take place somewhere in 1920s. I mean, even if they are necessary for the list (which I doubt), they should be some decades later, maybe in 1980-2000s, not earlier. Nikita Wagner 10:10, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. I have not read Wolverine: Amazing Immortal Man #1 but I have ordered it. I do know that the first story is set in the 20s but guessed the others. I will remove the others and add them again in the right place when I have read them.
Ultimates and First class are different continuities so I would never include them but WildCATS/X-Men and Team X/Team 7 crossovers seem to fit just fine. This does not mean that wildCATS is part of the marvel universe but that just these stories can take place in the marvel universe and the image universe. If individual fans want to omit those stories then thats up to them.
--Ryangut 14:42, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe things like crossovers or something like that should be somehow marked as non-canon in the list then? I mean for those individual fans, especially new to the Marvel Universe (or even newbies in comic books) should be something like "non-canon" sign or something.
Nikita Wagner 15:23, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Sure they are superflous but do seem to have been written with the marvel universe in mind and not ultimates,first class, adventures or any other continuity. In X-Men/wildCATs: silver age. marvel girl mentions her modelling career from x-men 48, beast mentions that he will be working for the brand corporation as we will see in amazing adventures 11. mr sinister takes a sample of jean grey's DNA which he will use later to create madelyne prior.
Its bit of a gaffe that wolverine is wearing his brown costume in the modern age issue but thats still plausible.
--Ryangut 14:58, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
You got the point, but I don't agree with you. I'm sure you know there are a lot of parallel universes, some of them considerably differ from the original universe (if we take Earth-616 as the Original Universe) like Marvel Noir, Marvel 1602 and others, and some of them differs not so much - like this one you're talking about. I believe they have the same points in the chronology, but they are different in other points, just like Marvel Zombies: actually it's almost the same Earth-616 with minor changes like Captain America is named Colonel America in MZ, and Wolverine wears his brown costume in X-Men/wildCATs. The worlds are similar but they are different, so they can't be considered as canon even if some points are the same. Nikita Wagner 04:12, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
Ok. I have read the plot synopse for X-Men/Wildcats: dark age. i have also looked at the 'wolverine files' website. It appear that its is the same continuity but ends up being a parallel universe due to time travel.
I was wondering what you think of marvel/dc darkseid/dark phoenix story. DC characters do exist in the marvel universe because clark kent and lois lane cameo in excalibur 8
--Ryangut 16:49, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Are you kidding me? DC characters cannot exist in the Marvel's Earth-616, and Darkseid/Dark Phoenix story was nothing but a DC/Marvel crossover in "The Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans", non-canon to both companies' main universes. And Lois' & Clark's cameo is just a joke for me: i believe they are not Clark Kent & Lois Lane from DC, they are just Lois and Clark (last names are not specified there, if you remember) from Marvel's Earth-616. Sure, they resemble original L&C but this was made only for fans, like that misspelled "UPINNASKY! A BOID! A PLANE! (...)" catchphrase . Like that time DC's Azazel (Jean Paul Valley) gone mad and "remembers" he fought Marvel's Jigsaw (which actually was in another DC/Marvel crossover which is, of course, non-canon too). Nikita Wagner 14:42, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
- I think that they are still part of "continuity" but I think that the question is why are they being put in at the same point as though it were chronologically in continuity. Would it be okay to mark it as (parallel universe - non canon) or something similar to the right of the comic on these pages? That way people who are reading through can still attempt to follow the storyline as though it were flowing, but know that it was NOT part of the 616 continuity? --M1shawhan 20:38, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
Ok then, I will mark those stories (parallel universe/non-canon) to avoid controversy and fans can make their own minds up whether to include them or not. With all the retconning that was done later some events ended up not being continuity anymore anyway so this is all academic.
--Ryangut 17:25, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Note about Marvel time
For those who may be confused this is how ‘Marvel time’ relates to ‘real time’ in the ‘Pre-Modern age’ and the ‘Modern age’.
If the millennium is the millennium then it is as follows Decade 1 is the 1960s (Note: the pre-modern age begins in the late 1960s) Decade 2 is the 1970s Decade 3 is the 1980s Modern Age: Years 1-10 is the 1990s Modern Age: Years 11-20 is the 2000s
This way Marvel time slides forwards before the millennium and backwards after the millennium. The ‘Pre-Modern age’ and ‘Modern age’ can’t keep sliding forward forever because some old people featured in stories were alive in World war II. Another bonus is that 20th century stories are in the 20th century and 21st century stories are in the 21st century. So no controversy there.