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  • Old thread reached its limit. For brevity's sake, this thread with cover Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. as well as other current and upcoming shows airing on network TV.

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      In regards to the announcement of new characters for season 5, I do am excited to see how they will make use of Flint in the show. While I did appreciate what they did with him, hopefully it's a bit better and more dignified than what they ended up doing with Lash at the end, for a character lifted from the recent comics.

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    • I hope Flint isn't the only character from the comics. In fact, I'd like to see one of the Elders of the Universe show up.

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    • There are several of them to choose from, so probably one of the more obscure ones that they won't use in the movies. I still wonder if they can still use the Stranger or not. Whether Fox owns him simply because he debuted in the X-Men comics, or if Marvel owns him since, like the Skrulls, he has appeared in many other comics and has had a larger role outside of the X-Men ones (or possibly even co-owned like the case with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch).

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    • KalKent wrote: There are several of them to choose from, so probably one of the more obscure ones that they won't use in the movies.

      Exactly. I think the Contemplator would be cool.

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    • Was Black Bolt's secret bunker a repurposed Agents of SHIELD set?

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    • Really, what is the point of having guns if you can just kick the bullets away?

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    • I thought we were going to rename this something like "Network MCU Shows" to match "MCU Films"? Not that it's important, but I was curious. lol

      Anyways, despite the overall show to be extremely subpar, I actually found this most recent episode of Inhumans to be the best yet. Probably because aside from the finale, it's had the most time to be edited and CGI'd properly.

      Also, they (very predictably) revealed that Triton. At least they gave him a shirtless scene (YUM) and gave him some badass Matrix moves... But if he could fight like that, why was he gunned down so easily in the premiere? Also, how was he able to extract the bullet by himself and recover after mere days? Buck is like the absolute worst.

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    • Speaking of thread posts limits, I still have the discord server up, its unofficial since I didn't talk about it again, but you guys can use it to discuss TV series, movies, etc.

      A few of the mods/admins/users use it(including me), and the mods/admins that went there to try it out, but didn't stay, I promoted you guys to your Wikia roles there. For those that didn't see my post then, Discord is a simple chat app/website, really easy to use in all devices.

      https://discord.gg/H6hUbWW

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    • Ugh, I gotta sign up?

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Ugh, I gotta sign up?

      Nah you can use a free account I believe.

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    • So if Black Bolt knew about Maximus' plan, did he consider the woman Triton met in Hawaii disposable? Because he got her killed.

      Black Bolt's a jerk.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: So if Black Bolt knew about Maximus' plan, did he consider the woman Triton met in Hawaii disposable? Because he got her killed.

      Black Bolt's a jerk.

      LOL She's a "human". And one whose powers were cat eyes. Of course she's disposable in his eyes.

      Medusa's the only royal making sense right now, especially since Maximus has fully gone off the deep end.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:
      So if Black Bolt knew about Maximus' plan, did he consider the woman Triton met in Hawaii disposable? Because he got her killed.

      Black Bolt's a jerk.

      LOL She's a "human". And one whose powers were cat eyes. Of course she's disposable in his eyes.

      Medusa's the only royal making sense right now, especially since Maximus has fully gone off the deep end.

      And why was Black Bolt so sure Crystal would tell Lockjaw to take everyone to Hawaii? What would happen if Lockjaw dropped him off in, like, Minnesota?

      I think they just came up with the show's plot on the fly.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: I think they just came up with the show's plot on the fly.

      They contacted costume designers for preliminary sketches just two days before they began filming. And they began filming like two weeks after casting everybody. Serinda and Anson had to go out together and form chemistry between themselves because they weren't given a chemistry read. Anson developed an entirely new form of sign language, even though Buck and Reiné told him "Nah, fuggedaboutit. We'll just cycle through three random ASL signs."

      Everything about this SCREAMS "came up with it on the fly".

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    • Since we are nearing season 5 premiere of AoS, I need to remember to unfollow this thread and try to stay away from the activity page if I want to avoid spoilers. While I do hope that HBO Nordic (the HBO service in my region) will carry the new episodes of AoS season 5, in the same way they did with 'Inhumans', I honestly doubt they will. Them getting 'Inhumans' seemed like a move of desperation on Marvel Television's part to get as many people as possible to watch it, but I could see it actually working for AoS if they get all 4 previous seasons on their platform, and the new episodes (assuming the season will actually be good, which I have a hard time imagining it can get any worse than what I've heard of 'Inhumans', though with them being in space, it could go either way).

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    • So... That was a decent finale. Medusa and Maximus' acting blew me away, but when the show is so mediocre, even Meryl Streep wouldn't make it look good.

      Though there is a passionate Twitter movement to renew the show, and many sources are reporting that renewal is a 50-50 shot. Which is shocking. And hopeful. This show has an amazing cast. And great potential. It just needs more time than two weeks to film.

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    • New promo for season 5 of AoS, although feel free to skip it if you want to go in as blind as possible.

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    • KalKent wrote: New promo for season 5 of AoS, although feel free to skip it if you want to go in as blind as possible.

      Oh competency, how I've missed thee...

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    • I like how the Inhumans finale inadvertently parrots the ending to Ragnarok to make it seem even more pathetic than it already is.

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    • Due to some horrible twist of fate, Inhumans has a (slight) chance at renewal.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Due to some horrible twist of fate, Inhumans has a (slight) chance at renewal.

      I'm rooting for it. If Iron Fist got a chance to redeem itself without Buck, so does this.

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    • Yesterday they tweeted something special was gonna happen today regarding season 5 of AoS. Turns out it's a preview showcasing the first 17 minutes of episode 1.

      Though I'm gonna stray from watching it, since I want to go in as blind as possible, with the whole episode available for me. Also because I've already read descriptions of how the first episode starts, so I want to hold off on how accurate my imagining of it was.

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    • So I just found out that the streaming service in my area that used to have the first 3 season of AoS, but no longer did, now have the 4 recent seasons on it, right when season 5 is about to premiere. I hope it's not a case where I have to wait a year after the season has aired just to legally watch it.

      I don't know if like HBO Nordic in my area is doing 'Runaways', it's going to do that with season 5 of AoS, where they have the new episodes available one day after they air on ABC. Will have to wait and see. Will be pissed if they don't.

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    • So what did people think of the premiere?

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    • Still waiting to see if I'm able to watch it or not. If I won't be able to, I will have to try and stay away from this thread until then.

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    • HOLY. MOLY. QUAAAAAAAAAAAAKE.

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    • That is one way to get one hooked on the show, wanting to know where they will go from here.

      SPOILERS

      Similarly to how season 4 introduced the Hydra reality in the Framework, could this be considered the first time the MCU introduced an alternate/possible future, that also involves time-travel?

      /SPOILERS

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    • The Kree are just dicks, plain and simple. I've always hated them.



      But that Kree girl though.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: The Kree are just dicks, plain and simple. I've always hated them.

      Hey now! 'Captain Marvel' can probably change that for you with Jude Law as Mar-Vell alone (at least I know it will for me).

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    • Also, regarding that ship at the end of the premiere, the music and Jemma's reaction seemed to imply that it was something big. While the ship looked familiar, I couldn't exactly remember if I've seen the design of that ship before, and from when.

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    • It reminded me of Admiral Ackbar's ship.

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    • Plot twist: Turns out season 5 doesn't take place in the future after all, but rather the past. A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

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    • KalKent wrote: That is one way to get one hooked on the show, wanting to know where they will go from here.

      SPOILERS

      Similarly to how season 4 introduced the Hydra reality in the Framework, could this be considered the first time the MCU introduced an alternate/possible future, that also involves time-travel?

      /SPOILERS

      Yes this would be an alternate reality.

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    • Kind of like a Days of Future Past sort of deal.

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    • KalKent wrote: That is one way to get one hooked on the show, wanting to know where they will go from here.

      SPOILERS

      Similarly to how season 4 introduced the Hydra reality in the Framework, could this be considered the first time the MCU introduced an alternate/possible future, that also involves time-travel?

      /SPOILERS

      Yup. Framework was the first AU shown in the MCU (though it being virtual, it doesn't technically count), while this Planet Kree storyline is 100% the first AU, since it'll obviously be split off from the main timeline once they go back to fix everything.

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    • KalKent wrote:
      Plot twist: Turns out season 5 doesn't take place in the future after all, but rather the past. A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

      Kasius is Grand Admiral Thrawn confirmed.

      Anyway, I'm certain those crayon drawings in Enoch's house are clues for where this season's going.

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    • Assuming Deke is correct in that Daisy was responsible, I think what Enoch's thing is, is that he knows what individuals will pose a threat to the future of 199999, so he sends them through time to prevent those events (possibly a version of Enoch Mason (Earth-616) but without the ghosts?). But of course it does make one wonder why Fitz wasn't considered a threat, but the others were. And since Coulson still owes a favour to the Spirit of Vengeance, will the spirit have to travel through space and time just to have Coulson pay it?

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    • Huh, I did not notice this. The above image is from Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 4 15, when we first see Fitz in the Framework. Just reaffirms the idea that Deke assembled the current version of the Framework from scraps of the old one.

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    • If the Kree destroyed all the historical records and killed the people spreading the "legend" of S.H.I.E.L.D., then why do they let Deke's Framework simulation still have news reports about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: If the Kree destroyed all the historical records and killed the people spreading the "legend" of S.H.I.E.L.D., then why do they let Deke's Framework simulation still have news reports about S.H.I.E.L.D. agents?

      Huh. Well, they only know about the den, I don't think they know what's in the actual Framework.

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    • For all they know the den is just a place for humans to rest. Maybe Deke specifically designed it so that only humans can get into his version of Framework.

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    • I was reading this article on Marvel.com on a recap of previous appearances of Kree in the show, and something stuck out to me regarding the part about Guest-Host (Earth-199999):

      "This isn’t the first time we’ve seen the Kree in “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..” In Season 1, we learned Phil Coulson was resurrected after facing Loki at Battle of New York in Marvel Studios “The Avengers” after being treated with Project T.A.H.I.T.I. serum, GH.325, derived from a blue alien corpse, with abilities to promote advanced cellular regeneration. Eagle-eyed viewers will recall the flashback to Agent Peggy Carter retrieving that very blue alien corpse."

      Are they referring to the flashback of when Carter and the Howling Commandos arrive to arrest Werner Reinhardt (Earth-199999) and retrieve the items he had, like the Diviner? I'm kinda blanking out if I remember anything with Carter and that corpse.

      EDIT: According to the MCU-wiki, it apparently it was, in Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 2 1.

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    • KalKent wrote: I was reading this article on Marvel.com on a recap of previous appearances of Kree in the show, and something stuck out to me regarding the part about Guest-Host (Earth-199999):

      "This isn’t the first time we’ve seen the Kree in “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..” In Season 1, we learned Phil Coulson was resurrected after facing Loki at Battle of New York in Marvel Studios “The Avengers” after being treated with Project T.A.H.I.T.I. serum, GH.325, derived from a blue alien corpse, with abilities to promote advanced cellular regeneration. Eagle-eyed viewers will recall the flashback to Agent Peggy Carter retrieving that very blue alien corpse."

      Are they referring to the flashback of when Carter and the Howling Commandos arrive to arrest Werner Reinhardt (Earth-199999) and retrieve the items he had, like the Diviner? I'm kinda blanking out if I remember anything with Carter and that corpse.

      EDIT: According to the MCU-wiki, it apparently it was, in Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 2 1.

      Yes, Werner had gotten the Kree corpse somehow, and Dugan was about to open its box when Peggy slammed it shut without either of them seeing it, sealed it and numbered it.

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    • Deke went kinda meta with the last episode, echoing some of our own predictions of what might be going on.

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    • Kreeligula is just the wooorst.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:
      Kreeligula is just the wooorst.

      I like how the excuse for why he and Sinara have white markings on their face is just "because they think it looks cool."

      Prediction: They're going to find out Yo-Yo is an Inhuman, too, and make her fight Daisy in that gladiator arena.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Kreeligula is just the wooorst.

      He is so freaking creeeeepy.

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    • Another thing to add to "everyone has been in a Marvel property before", Dominic Rains who portrays Kasius, previously appeared as an extra in 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier', specifically this scene.

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    • KalKent wrote:
      Another thing to add to "everyone has been in a Marvel property before", Dominic Rains who portrays Kasius, previously appeared as an extra in 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier', specifically this scene.

      His brother Ethan is in the movie, too, as an EMT.

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    • KalKent wrote: Another thing to add to "everyone has been in a Marvel property before", Dominic Rains who portrays Kasius, previously appeared as an extra in 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier', specifically this scene.

      He's so yummy without the blue paint.

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    • And regardless of what Deke's intentions were at the end of the last episode, the rule still applies (in some way).

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    • KalKent wrote:
      And regardless of what Deke's intentions were at the end of the last episode, the rule still applies (in some way).

      I call him Space Ward.

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    • He's Star Ward! Respect him!

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    • So... tournament arc?

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    • Here's hoping for this guy:

      Tryco Slatterus (Earth-616) from All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Vol 1 4 0001
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    • Since the next episode is titled "Rewind", we might get an explanation for the twist at the end of the last one. Much like the 'Runaways' episode of the same name.

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    • I just added more names to the episode list on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.#Season 5, and just based on the names of them (especially with "Rewind"), I can probably predict what they will be about.

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    • They did that thing again.

      Enoch is a 30,000-year-old alien sent to Earth to passively observe humanity's development and only interferes once they face an extinction-level event.

      Not familiar at all...

      ...

      Screw it, the giant in Robin's drawings is not-Galactus.

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    • Yeah, I was wondering if he was a Watcher. I mean, they're co-owned, so why not just introduce Uatu by another name? He's even BALD.

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    • I don't know. He kind of reminds me of these guys.

      Oh, also this was literally the end.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: I don't know. He kind of reminds me of these guys.

      That was my thought as well.

      Nurdboy42 wrote: Oh, also this was literally the end.

      Lies! It was totally this and it was glorious!

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:
      I don't know. He kind of reminds me of these guys.

      Oh, also this was literally the end.

      Rigellian Recorders are less passive observers like the Watchers than they are explorers and agents of the Rigellian empire, and I don't see much of a reason why the show would need to create the new species if Enoch is supposed to be one. Like they would just explicitly call him one if that's what he is.

      And even if Enoch is a Rigellian Recorder, his role as this ancient, passive observer of humanity trying to spare them from a coming extinction-level event is enough to tie him to Uatu based on his role at the start of the Galactus Trilogy.

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    • I had to remind myself last week that there wouldn't be another episode for that week, more than I wished I had to.

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    • Holy crap.

      I was not expecting those characters to be killed off so quickly.

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    • Tess' death was so random and sad. And Ben just shattered me. Also, I think Virgil may just be the most referenced character after death on this show (Well, no one can top Ward.)

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Tess' death was so random and sad. And Ben just shattered me.

      And Flint tapped into his inner Killer Croc.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Tess' death was so random and sad. And Ben just shattered me.

      And Flint tapped into his inner Killer Croc.

      Yeah, Grill I don't feel bad about at all.

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    • Well, Howard Hamlin sure managed to climb the ranks from being a lawyer with Jimmy and Chuck no longer being around.

      Also, interesting that out of all the aliens they have present, the one that they decide to not be original about is the one named after Maston-Dar (Earth-616).

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    • Girl fight!

      Fitz finally got a moment of happiness. Too bad it won't last.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Girl fight!

      Fitz finally got a moment of happiness. Too bad it won't last.

      My guess is that right before the group manages to go back to the past, Fitz dies, Enoch stays behind, and when they meet Lance and the Hintons in the Lighthouse in the past, they meet Enoch and wake up Fitz from the stasis he was just put in.

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    • Fox owns him what do you mean it’s 2018 !

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    • Ckspidey4 wrote: Fox owns him what do you mean it’s 2018 !

      Owns who?

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    • The guy called Stranger

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    • But marvel owns him now caus Disney bought xmen and f4 from fox

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    • The last time anyone mentioned The Stranger was two months ago...

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    • Ckspidey4 wrote: But marvel owns him now caus Disney bought xmen and f4 from fox

      This is a source of common confusion on the internet, and social media deserves a lot of blame for people's ignorance, but Disney does not own any of Fox's assets, they merely agreed upon a possible price pending FCC review and DoJ approval, a DoJ which is currently busy suing AT&T to block their acquisition of Time Warner.

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    • AnnabellRice wrote:

      Ckspidey4 wrote: But marvel owns him now caus Disney bought xmen and f4 from fox

      This is a source of common confusion on the internet, and social media deserves a lot of blame for people's ignorance, but Disney does not own any of Fox's assets, they merely agreed upon a possible price pending FCC review and DoJ approval, a DoJ which is currently busy suing AT&T to block their acquisition of Time Warner.

      And with DoJ being busy, that combined with FCC is estimated to take 12-18 months from what I've heard. So sadly, there probably won't be any prevention in the making of the movies 'Gambit', and James Franco's 'Multiple Man'.

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    • I want to make a point about how Kasius and Sinara are like a significantly better version of Inhumans' Maximus and Auran, but honestly it just seems mean to keep picking on Inhumans at this point.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: I want to make a point about how Kasius and Sinara are like a significantly better version of Inhumans' Maximus and Auran, but honestly it just seems mean to keep picking on Inhumans at this point.

      We say that while it's so far the only live-action Marvel show that's not currently airing, or that has been renewed for an additional season. I'm not a PR person, but it makes me wonder what's taking them so long to clarify it's future.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: I want to make a point about how Kasius and Sinara are like a significantly better version of Inhumans' Maximus and Auran, but honestly it just seems mean to keep picking on Inhumans at this point.

      We say that while it's so far the only live-action Marvel show that's not currently airing, or that has been renewed for an additional season. I'm not a PR person, but it makes me wonder what's taking them so long to clarify it's future.

      Sorry to be that guy, but Defenders also hasn't been renewed for another season, and it was reportedly the least successful Netflix show.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: I want to make a point about how Kasius and Sinara are like a significantly better version of Inhumans' Maximus and Auran, but honestly it just seems mean to keep picking on Inhumans at this point.

      We say that while it's so far the only live-action Marvel show that's not currently airing, or that has been renewed for an additional season. I'm not a PR person, but it makes me wonder what's taking them so long to clarify it's future.

      Sorry to be that guy, but Defenders also hasn't been renewed for another season, and it was reportedly the least successful Netflix show.

      My guess is that it was either originally planned as a one-off mini-series, or they plan on bringing it back later when the other shows' planned seasons has been released (hence why on Marvel Television Series, I moved it under finished "just in case").

      Comparatively speaking, Scott Buck apparently said he had plans for 'Inhumans' for 2-3 seasons. With 'The Defenders', apart from how it might affect the individual characters' shows, I don't remember seeing anything about it being a recurring team-up thing like the Avengers movies.

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    • All I know is that it already sucks that Agent Carter is the shortest running MCU show at 18 episodes. It would suck even worse if Defenders or Inhumans beat that record by 5 or 10 episodes, respectively.

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    • In terms of making me sad when comparing a comic book-/superhero-show's amount of seasons to others, I kinda get 'Agent Carter' only having 2 with 18 episodes in total (in terms of ratings), but I find it baffling how 'Smallville' managed to get 10 with 218 episodes in total (when as a teenager during its first run, I could barely stand watching 10 minutes of any episode). And yet when compared to better shows, AoS has a hard time having the ratings to justify it being up to 5 at this point.

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    • KalKent wrote: In terms of making me sad when comparing a comic book-/superhero-show's amount of seasons to others, I kinda get 'Agent Carter' only having 2 with 18 episodes in total (in terms of ratings), but I find it baffling how 'Smallville' managed to get 10 with 218 episodes in total (when as a teenager during its first run, I could barely stand watching 10 minutes of any episode). And yet when compared to better shows, AoS has a hard time having the ratings to justify it being up to 5 at this point.

      Smallville lasted as long as it did because Tom Welling's gorgeous and people who watched the show were horny. Point blank.

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    • I guess one thing one shouldn't underestimate is the power of the teen and YA audience, which I guess is why Marvel decided to finally tap into that market with both 'Runaways' and the upcoming 'Cloak & Dagger'.

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    • BTW, holy crap! I missed what was revealed as being the source of the gravity in the lighthouse. So what other dangling thread are they going to bring back? Ian Quinn? Mike Peterson?

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    • KalKent wrote: BTW, holy crap! I missed what was revealed as being the source of the gravity in the lighthouse. So what other dangling thread are they going to bring back? Ian Quinn? Mike Peterson?

      Man-Thing

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    • I assume we still use this for Marvel shows on Freeform (since it's ABC related). They just released a sneak peek of 'Cloak & Dagger', confirming a June 7, 2018 release date.

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    • KalKent wrote: I assume we still use this for Marvel shows on Freeform (since it's ABC related). They just released a sneak peek of 'Cloak & Dagger', confirming a June 7, 2018 release date.

      To go with MCU Streaming Shows:Season One, maybe we should name the next version of this thread "MCU Network Shows: Season One", and then just include any future webseries like WHIH and Slingshot over on the Streaming thread. And then the films as its own thread as well.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I assume we still use this for Marvel shows on Freeform (since it's ABC related). They just released a sneak peek of 'Cloak & Dagger', confirming a June 7, 2018 release date.

      To go with MCU Streaming Shows:Season One, maybe we should name the next version of this thread "MCU Network Shows: Season One", and then just include any future webseries like WHIH and Slingshot over on the Streaming thread. And then the films as its own thread as well.

      Kinda complicated.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I assume we still use this for Marvel shows on Freeform (since it's ABC related). They just released a sneak peek of 'Cloak & Dagger', confirming a June 7, 2018 release date.

      To go with MCU Streaming Shows:Season One, maybe we should name the next version of this thread "MCU Network Shows: Season One", and then just include any future webseries like WHIH and Slingshot over on the Streaming thread. And then the films as its own thread as well.

      Kinda complicated.

      How? Network shows in one thread, streaming in the other, and the web series, which can only be streamed, in the streaming thread. It's not complicated in the slightest.

      And then films in their own thread.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I assume we still use this for Marvel shows on Freeform (since it's ABC related). They just released a sneak peek of 'Cloak & Dagger', confirming a June 7, 2018 release date.

      To go with MCU Streaming Shows:Season One, maybe we should name the next version of this thread "MCU Network Shows: Season One", and then just include any future webseries like WHIH and Slingshot over on the Streaming thread. And then the films as its own thread as well.

      Kinda complicated.

      How? Network shows in one thread, streaming in the other, and the web series, which can only be streamed, in the streaming thread. It's not complicated in the slightest.

      And then films in their own thread.

      Because one of the webseries is a spinoff of a network show and another is viral marketing for the movies. They'd make more sense in those threads. I think it's kind of weird that the Defenders thread is used to talk about Runaways, anyway. Maybe we just need one dedicated TV thread. Could also talk about Legion and The Gifted there, too.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Could also talk about The Gifted there, too.

      Ew. Legion is cool, though.

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    • The only thing I fear about regarding having all live-action shows in one thread, is with news and episodes regularly coming out to talk about, it will eventually reach the 500 post limit fairly quickly. And we might would need a strict no-spoiler policy, since not everyone is able to or is interested in seeing all of the shows (although if one is not interested at that point, one might not care about being spoiled).

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:
      Could also talk about The Gifted there, too.

      Ew. Legion is cool, though.

      Co-productions between Marvel and FOX. With Disney's acquisition, they're soon to be exclusively Marvel productions.

      KalKent wrote:
      The only thing I fear about regarding having all live-action shows in one thread, is with news and episodes regularly coming out to talk about, it will eventually reach the 500 post limit fairly quickly.

      Took like two years for the previous AoS threads to reach the limit and the Defenders one is coming in four years without needing a new thread.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Took like two years for the previous AoS threads to reach the limit and the Defenders one is coming in four years without needing a new thread.

      Yes, on their own.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:
      Took like two years for the previous AoS threads to reach the limit and the Defenders one is coming in four years without needing a new thread.

      Yes, on their own.

      Together, they'd need a new thread about every 18 months.

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      1. I like how they're bringing in so much from previous seasons I don't think many people thought we'd see again - gravitonium, Robin, the miraculous healing properties of Kree blood, the monolith, Hunter. Maybe Ian Quinn is next.

      2. Really need to add a gif of Kasius freaking out at the end of yesterday's episode episode to my reaction gif folder.

      3. Deke' last name is "Shaw", and his father's name is "Owen." Deckard and Owen Shaw are bad guys in the Fast & Furious movies. I feel like I'm onto something, but I have no idea what that is.
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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      1. I like how they're bringing in so much from previous seasons I don't think many people thought we'd see again - gravitonium, Robin, the miraculous healing properties of Kree blood, the monolith, Hunter. Maybe Ian Quinn is next.

      2. Really need to add a gif of Kasius freaking out at the end of yesterday's episode episode to my reaction gif folder.

      3. Deke' last name is "Shaw", and his father's name is "Owen." Deckard and Owen Shaw are bad guys in the Fast & Furious movies. I feel like I'm onto something, but I have no idea what that is.

      1. Considering it was brought up at the beginning of the season that Coulson made a deal with the Spirit of Vengeance, I have a feeling we will probably see Ghost Rider (in one form or another) make an appearance later.

      2. Here you go.

      3. In terms of blockbusters, the F&F series is one blockbuster franchise that I'm behind but want to eventually catch up to. I've so far only seen the very first one in that series, which I barely remember and is generally seen as one of the lesser ones when compared to the later ones from what I've heard.

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    • That camera shake is perfect. Reminds me of those jittery reaction gifs.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      1. I like how they're bringing in so much from previous seasons I don't think many people thought we'd see again - gravitonium, Robin, the miraculous healing properties of Kree blood, the monolith, Hunter. Maybe Ian Quinn is next.

      2. Really need to add a gif of Kasius freaking out at the end of yesterday's episode episode to my reaction gif folder.

      3. Deke' last name is "Shaw", and his father's name is "Owen." Deckard and Owen Shaw are bad guys in the Fast & Furious movies. I feel like I'm onto something, but I have no idea what that is.

      1. Considering it was brought up at the beginning of the season that Coulson made a deal with the Spirit of Vengeance, I have a feeling we will probably see Ghost Rider (in one form or another) make an appearance later.

      2. Here you go.

      3. In terms of blockbusters, the F&F series is one blockbuster franchise that I'm behind but want to eventually catch up to. I've so far only seen the very first one in that series, which I barely remember and is generally seen as one of the lesser ones when compared to the later ones from what I've heard.

      That shot is so hilarious without the blood-curdling scream. I really need to learn how to make GIFs. It'd be so much fun.

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    • EW has the scoop on Dove Cameron's character:

      The Disney Channel alum will be playing Ruby, a young woman of cunning intelligence who has a mysterious obsession with Daisy Johnson (Chloe Bennet) — oh, and she’s the daughter of General Hale (Catherine Dent).

      For those of you who need a refresher, General Hale was that high-level government agent who executed her two subordinates after Fitz (Iain de Caestecker) was able to escape the Blue Raven Ridge facility with a cryo-freeze capsule and the Zephyr One.

      If AoS was on one night earlier, I could make a good Ruby Thursday joke.

      Well, maybe it's not that good, but it's, you know... passable.

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    • What are the odds she's playing a character from the comics in a roundabout way?

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: What are the odds she's playing a character from the comics in a roundabout way?

      Decent, possibly. It all depends on how important her character is to the second half of the season.

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    • Since this is (most likely, going by the rules of fiction everywhere) the time loop where they do everything right, should we maybe consider a TRN for all the future characters from 2091 and the 2022 flashbacks?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Since this is (most likely, going by the rules of fiction everywhere) the time loop where they do everything right, should we maybe consider a TRN for all the future characters from 2091 and the 2022 flashbacks?

      Maybe. I would say just wait it out, but as you said it's most likely they will eventually break the time-loop, I don't see why not.

      The only thing I wonder is if we do the same for the Fitz we see going to sleep and waking up in the future. Assuming they all come back and arrive at the Lighthouse in the present, there will two Fitz's. One who came back from the future, and another who is still frozen and asleep.

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    • KalKent wrote: Assuming they all come back and arrive at the Lighthouse in the present, there will two Fitz's. One who came back from the future, and another who is still frozen and asleep.

      This has been my one gripe from all of this. They managed to tie everything together perfectly with one big bow... Except for this. They need to get rid of Marauder Fitz (which is looking more and more likely since Simmons is getting horrified of the guy) and wake up Frozen Fitz.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Assuming they all come back and arrive at the Lighthouse in the present, there will two Fitz's. One who came back from the future, and another who is still frozen and asleep.

      This has been my one gripe from all of this. They managed to tie everything together perfectly with one big bow... Except for this. They need to get rid of Marauder Fitz (which is looking more and more likely since Simmons is getting horrified of the guy) and wake up Frozen Fitz.

      But again, it remains to be seen. It might not be the last time we've seen of Enoch when they arrive to the past. Or, once they arrive at the Lighthouse, they meet Hunter (and possibly hopefully Bobbi), but Enoch has already gone to outer space to wait in the orbit of Jupiter with the sleeping Fitz.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Since this is (most likely, going by the rules of fiction everywhere) the time loop where they do everything right, should we maybe consider a TRN for all the future characters from 2091 and the 2022 flashbacks?

      Maybe. I would say just wait it out, but as you said it's most likely they will eventually break the time-loop, I don't see why not.

      The only thing I wonder is if we do the same for the Fitz we see going to sleep and waking up in the future. Assuming they all come back and arrive at the Lighthouse in the present, there will two Fitz's. One who came back from the future, and another who is still frozen and asleep.

      Though if we do have two Fitzes, the Marauder Fitz slept through the entire end of the world, so he'd be from the TRN, wouldn't he? While the Frozen Fitz is from the "MCU" (it's an AoA situation all over again).

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Since this is (most likely, going by the rules of fiction everywhere) the time loop where they do everything right, should we maybe consider a TRN for all the future characters from 2091 and the 2022 flashbacks?

      Maybe. I would say just wait it out, but as you said it's most likely they will eventually break the time-loop, I don't see why not.

      The only thing I wonder is if we do the same for the Fitz we see going to sleep and waking up in the future. Assuming they all come back and arrive at the Lighthouse in the present, there will two Fitz's. One who came back from the future, and another who is still frozen and asleep.

      Though if we do have two Fitzes, the Marauder Fitz slept through the entire end of the world, so he'd be from the TRN, wouldn't he? While the Frozen Fitz is from the "MCU" (it's an AoA situation all over again).

      Maybe. I could see them trying to prevent the loop from happening, the Marauder Fitz gets killed in the process, and when they succeed to stop it they retrieve the Frozen Fitz. I honestly thought the Marauder Fitz would die right before they went back in time.

      Although it would be kinda funny how he wakes up and Simmons tells him that they're engaged. "When did that happen while I was asleep?"

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Since this is (most likely, going by the rules of fiction everywhere) the time loop where they do everything right, should we maybe consider a TRN for all the future characters from 2091 and the 2022 flashbacks?

      Maybe. I would say just wait it out, but as you said it's most likely they will eventually break the time-loop, I don't see why not.

      The only thing I wonder is if we do the same for the Fitz we see going to sleep and waking up in the future. Assuming they all come back and arrive at the Lighthouse in the present, there will two Fitz's. One who came back from the future, and another who is still frozen and asleep.

      Though if we do have two Fitzes, the Marauder Fitz slept through the entire end of the world, so he'd be from the TRN, wouldn't he? While the Frozen Fitz is from the "MCU" (it's an AoA situation all over again).

      Maybe. I could see them trying to prevent the loop from happening, the Marauder Fitz gets killed in the process, and when they succeed to stop it they retrieve the Frozen Fitz. I honestly thought the Marauder Fitz would die right before they went back in time.

      Although it would be kinda funny how he wakes up and Simmons tells him that they're engaged. "When did that happen while I was asleep?"

      I know, I was fully expecting Marauder Fitz to die in the future.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Since this is (most likely, going by the rules of fiction everywhere) the time loop where they do everything right, should we maybe consider a TRN for all the future characters from 2091 and the 2022 flashbacks?

      Maybe. I would say just wait it out, but as you said it's most likely they will eventually break the time-loop, I don't see why not.

      The only thing I wonder is if we do the same for the Fitz we see going to sleep and waking up in the future. Assuming they all come back and arrive at the Lighthouse in the present, there will two Fitz's. One who came back from the future, and another who is still frozen and asleep.

      Though if we do have two Fitzes, the Marauder Fitz slept through the entire end of the world, so he'd be from the TRN, wouldn't he? While the Frozen Fitz is from the "MCU" (it's an AoA situation all over again).

      Maybe. I could see them trying to prevent the loop from happening, the Marauder Fitz gets killed in the process, and when they succeed to stop it they retrieve the Frozen Fitz. I honestly thought the Marauder Fitz would die right before they went back in time.

      Although it would be kinda funny how he wakes up and Simmons tells him that they're engaged. "When did that happen while I was asleep?"

      I know, I was fully expecting Marauder Fitz to die in the future.

      When they still were in the future, after Fitz saved Simmons and Daisy (who had her powers disabled), he got hurt. At that point I thought they were hinting that this Fitz wouldn't make it out of the future back to the present.

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    • Patrick Warburton! Playing someone from the comics!

      Please let there be more of him.

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    • Two things I love, Patrick Warburton and obviously fake moustaches, together at last.

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    • "An Asgardian in the city!"

      Elliot Randolph, or possibly even Thor and Loki in NYC during 'Ragnarok' (since they are in New York State), or someone else?

      Also, I see someone named Candice Lee listed as one of the antagonists, but I don't recall the actress or someone being called that name in the episode. EDIT: Never mind. I remember her being the person General Hale talked to.

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    • KalKent wrote: "An Asgardian in the city!"

      Elliot Randolph, or possibly even Thor and Loki in NYC during 'Ragnarok' (since they are in New York State), or someone else?

      Also, I see someone named Candice Lee listed as one of the antagonists, but I don't recall the actress or someone being called that name in the episode. EDIT: Never mind. I remember her being the person General Hale talked to.

      Either Elliot, Thor, Loki, Odin or even possibly Sif, who was banished.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: "An Asgardian in the city!"

      Elliot Randolph, or possibly even Thor and Loki in NYC during 'Ragnarok' (since they are in New York State), or someone else?

      Also, I see someone named Candice Lee listed as one of the antagonists, but I don't recall the actress or someone being called that name in the episode. EDIT: Never mind. I remember her being the person General Hale talked to.

      Either Elliot, Thor, Loki, Odin or even possibly Sif, who was banished.

      If Sif shows up, that would be awesome, especially since she has already appeared in the show. As much as I liked 'Thor: Ragnarok', I was disappointed that there was no clear and real closure as to what happened to Sif. But I don't blame that movie, since Jaime Alexander was too busy filming her role for that movie. So perhaps that's a hole this show can fill in.

      Although if it is Odin that Noah is talking about, that would also make sense, since Loki put him in the retirement home in NYC, which would put it before the events of that movie. Although it would be kinda funny if that was true, how they would be aware of that, but not do anything about it, though they might not know it's specifically Odin.

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    • I like how one character managed to get two surprise returns in one episode.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: I like how one character managed to get two surprise returns in one episode.

      First time my reaction was "Oh wow, nice!" The second time I was like "Seriously!? Awesome!"

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    • With how they teased the individuals from the Fear dimension in the promotional material, they made it look like they would have a more prominent role (Lash, Hive and Vrellnexians). The only thing I was disappointed by was the lack of the nun from Daisy's fears (perhaps a nun from the Saint Agnes Orphanage?) in the rest of the episode.

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    • I read the casting list for the wrong episode, so I expected more characters to appear last episode than what it did, specifically related to Hydra and Strucker.

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    • KalKent wrote: I read the casting list for the wrong episode, so I expected more characters to appear last episode than what it did, specifically related to Hydra and Strucker.

      They're really trying to bring back as much as possible for this half of the season.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I read the casting list for the wrong episode, so I expected more characters to appear last episode than what it did, specifically related to Hydra and Strucker.

      They're really trying to bring back as much as possible for this half of the season.

      They've mentioned Ian Quinn so far, and I still won't be surprised if Franklin Hall will reappear in some form again, with how Gravitonium playing such a big part again. If this ends up being the final season, it makes sense to try and tie up as many loose ends as possible, but so far I haven't thought it was done in a bad way.

      (Also, I didn't realize until it was pointed, how it was Jake Busey that was playing Tony Caine. With how they brought up the Deathlok programme again, I hope he makes a reappearance again in some form down the road, along with a proper appearance from Rick Stoner.)

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    • I thought the guy who was Qovas sounded familiar, and I turned out to be correct (2nd MCU role after previously being Greller in 'The Incredible Hulk').

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    • KalKent wrote:
      I thought the guy who was Qovas sounded familiar, and I turned out to be correct (2nd MCU role after previously being Greller in 'The Incredible Hulk').

      Do we think he's a Kree or another Chronicom? He gave General Hale the same drink Kasius drank before he fought Mack.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I thought the guy who was Qovas sounded familiar, and I turned out to be correct (2nd MCU role after previously being Greller in 'The Incredible Hulk').

      Do we think he's a Kree or another Chronicom? He gave General Hale the same drink Kasius drank before he fought Mack.

      I assumed he's not Kree since even when in the shadows it didn't look like he has blue skin (although it may be a case like Korath). I would say it couldn't be a Chronicom, but then I remembered that along with observing they also have to prevent extinction level events, so that may be why he's working with Hale & co.. Maybe a Chronicom who, unlike both Enoch and Noah, is willing to take more extreme measures to prevent them.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I thought the guy who was Qovas sounded familiar, and I turned out to be correct (2nd MCU role after previously being Greller in 'The Incredible Hulk').

      Do we think he's a Kree or another Chronicom? He gave General Hale the same drink Kasius drank before he fought Mack.

      I assumed he's not Kree since even when in the shadows it didn't look like he has blue skin (although it may be a case like Korath). I would say it couldn't be a Chronicom, but then I remembered that along with observing they also have to prevent extinction level events, so that may be why he's working with Hale & co.. Maybe a Chronicom who, unlike both Enoch and Noah, is willing to take more extreme measures to prevent them.

      Also - I want to know what this "Confederacy" is that Qovas and Hale are a part of. Maybe it's like the Great Wheel?

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    • From Wondercon, 'Avengers: Infinity War' "Opens a New Playground" for 'Agents of SHIELD'.

      While I won't be mad if this is the final season and it has a satisfying closure, this does make me hope that the show will be renewed for at least another season, just to see how the show and the characters would handle and deal with a post-IW MCU world.

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    • KalKent wrote: From Wondercon, 'Avengers: Infinity War' "Opens a New Playground" for 'Agents of SHIELD'.

      While I won't be mad if this is the final season and it has a satisfying closure, this does make me hope that the show will be renewed for at least another season, just to see how the show and the characters would handle and deal with a post-IW MCU world.

      I really, really hope they get a Season 6. Not only because the show deserves it, but also because I really want it to last all the way until A4.

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    • According to Deadline, they consider the renewal of AoS "to be on the bubble", which to me sounds like they are on the fence if it will happen or not.

      "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is on the bubble and could go either way. But it is the only chance for a Marvel series on ABC next fall as underwhelming freshman series Inhumans is considered dead. Despite its low live ratings, S.H.I.E.L.D. is a strong DVR gainer and an even stronger international seller for ABC Studios, as well as a marketing platform for Marvel, which should help its renewal prospects."

      Keep in mind also that ABC also has plans for two additional live-action Marvel shows planned for their network. One being the John Ridley project, the other being the female-focused one. Though it still remains to be seen if those will ever get off the ground.

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      • "Calamari Mata Hari" is a Talbot-ism for the ages.
      • The guy who plays young Sitwell actually does look like young Sitwell.
      • Whitehall reaffirms why he's probably the most evil villain in the series.
      • So... can Creel absorb the gravitonium? Because he is kind of already that particle infusion super soldier General Hale wants to make.
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    • Creel becoming Graviton would be an interesting take.

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    • Last episode sure got the most out of their Capn Crunch sponsorship.

      Although if Qovos and the Confederacy is presumably wanting to prevent Thanos & co.'s invasion, is the future we saw perhaps the result of them succeeding (therefore preventing the events of 'Avengers: Infinity War') but the Confederacy having a part in destroying the earth? Then perhaps the key to preventing that future is to defeat the Confederacy beforehand.

      Also, with them mentioning Robin, I was going to ask what happened to Hunter and the Hintons, but I guess it makes sense that they would find somewhere else to hide rather than just the Lighthouse.

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    • KalKent wrote: Last episode sure got the most out of their Capn Crunch sponsorship.

      Although if Qovos and the Confederacy is presumably wanting to prevent Thanos & co.'s invasion, is the future we saw perhaps the result of them succeeding (therefore preventing the events of 'Avengers: Infinity War') but the Confederacy having a part in destroying the earth? Then perhaps the key to preventing that future is to defeat the Confederacy beforehand.

      Also, with them mentioning Robin, I was going to ask what happened to Hunter and the Hintons, but I guess it makes sense that they would find somewhere else to hide rather than just the Lighthouse.

      That made no sense to me. If the Lighthouse is so fortified (Nightmare Rift nonwithstanding), wouldn't that be the perfect place to hide out when your child is being hunted?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Last episode sure got the most out of their Capn Crunch sponsorship.

      Although if Qovos and the Confederacy is presumably wanting to prevent Thanos & co.'s invasion, is the future we saw perhaps the result of them succeeding (therefore preventing the events of 'Avengers: Infinity War') but the Confederacy having a part in destroying the earth? Then perhaps the key to preventing that future is to defeat the Confederacy beforehand.

      Also, with them mentioning Robin, I was going to ask what happened to Hunter and the Hintons, but I guess it makes sense that they would find somewhere else to hide rather than just the Lighthouse.

      That made no sense to me. If the Lighthouse is so fortified (Nightmare Rift nonwithstanding), wouldn't that be the perfect place to hide out when your child is being hunted?

      Assuming Hunter reappears again later, which I hope he does alongside Bobbi, he maybe gives a reason as to why. And even recently with the Fear Dimension manifestations it's not that safe.

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    • Regarding the MCU references and past episode callbacks in the last episode, I saw this image which collected them all. The only real error in that one is regarding Strucker, since he didn't make use of the Tesseract later on, although he did plan to make use of an Infinity stone, much like Red Skull did. And with the "many failed attempts to create a super soldier [after WW2 and the success of Steve Rogers]", I forgot that the group of Winter Soldiers established in 'Civil War' was one of the attempts, along with Bucky and even Bruce Banner.

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    • I can't believe they actually brought [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] back for like a minute-long scene.

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    • I wonder... On /r/shield people are speculating that it's a deleted scene they decided to polish up and bring out due to the youthful appearance of Redacted #1, which I believe because Redacted #2 doesn't have his hair in that style anymore in real life.

      But... There's no way they filmed a scene so long ago just to whip it out this recently... Right?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I wonder... On /r/shield people are speculating that it's a deleted scene they decided to polish up and bring out due to the youthful appearance of Redacted #1, which I believe because Redacted #2 doesn't have his hair in that style anymore in real life.

      But... There's no way they filmed a scene so long ago just to whip it out this recently... Right?

      Could be.

      Would they both be named in the episode's credits if it's essentially stock footage?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I wonder... On /r/shield people are speculating that it's a deleted scene they decided to polish up and bring out due to the youthful appearance of Redacted #1, which I believe because Redacted #2 doesn't have his hair in that style anymore in real life.

      But... There's no way they filmed a scene so long ago just to whip it out this recently... Right?

      Could be.

      Would they both be named in the episode's credits if it's essentially stock footage?

      Not necessarily. But at the same time, the appearance of Redacted in the 100th episode also wasn't credited as far as I know.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I wonder... On /r/shield people are speculating that it's a deleted scene they decided to polish up and bring out due to the youthful appearance of Redacted #1, which I believe because Redacted #2 doesn't have his hair in that style anymore in real life.

      But... There's no way they filmed a scene so long ago just to whip it out this recently... Right?

      My guess is that it was a scene they originally shot, but decided to hold back in case they wanted to make use of Redacted #2 for something else later on, which they didn't (almost seems like they forgot about him along with the Gravitonium for a while).

      Although it was nice to see Redacted #1 again in her true beauty, and not with whatever the hell she had in her later appearances.

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    • VFX supervisor Mark Colpack confirmed on Twitter that it was in fact a deleted scene from 1x22.

      I'm kind of shocked because Redacted 2 was missing their facial scar.

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    • Makes sense in hindsight that it's a deleted scene. One of my problems with the S1 finale is that the gravitonium and Ian Quinn just disappeared from the story. I think I called the former "a Chekhov's gun that never fired." Guess this explains why - because the scene that gave that part of the story some relative closure got cut.

      I wonder if the scene was cut before or after they decided the gravitonium would not play a part in Season 2?

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    • Anyone else not really feeling this second half of the season? Ruby and Hale are relatively straightforward in their motivations, making them less compelling than previous major antagonists who were more complex. I didn't get the sense that there was anything more to them than what we're plainly presented with.

      I miss Kasius.

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    • I'm still invested in what's going on in this second half, mainly with the dread of knowing what might happen in the future they just came back from, and if they are able to stop it or not. Which reminds me we are closer to the finale than I realize, meaning some serious stuff is about to go down soon.

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    • I mean... We know they'll be able to save the world. Marvel wouldn't let the MCU crumble because of AoS. They'd rather deem it non-canon before that happens.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I mean... We know they'll be able to save the world. Marvel wouldn't let the MCU crumble because of AoS. They'd rather deem it non-canon before that happens.

      True, but it's still interesting to watch, since it makes one trying to figure out as it goes along how they will be able to do it eventually. It's like with any superhero story. Most stories one reads won't end up with the hero failing and/or dying, but one still reads them to see how they will overcome the challenge they are faced with.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I mean... We know they'll be able to save the world. Marvel wouldn't let the MCU crumble because of AoS. They'd rather deem it non-canon before that happens.

      True, but it's still interesting to watch, since it makes one trying to figure out as it goes along how they will be able to do it eventually. It's like with any superhero story. Most stories one reads won't end up with the hero failing and/or dying, but one still reads them to see how they will overcome the challenge they are faced with.

      But with this figuring out how we get there is all we have, and it isn't very interesting. The conflict itself is fairly shallow, and the story hasn't thrown us a real curveball yet. I feel like anyone's enjoyment of this arc depends on how much they wanted to see a loose end from Season 1 wrapped up.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I mean... We know they'll be able to save the world. Marvel wouldn't let the MCU crumble because of AoS. They'd rather deem it non-canon before that happens.

      True, but it's still interesting to watch, since it makes one trying to figure out as it goes along how they will be able to do it eventually. It's like with any superhero story. Most stories one reads won't end up with the hero failing and/or dying, but one still reads them to see how they will overcome the challenge they are faced with.

      But with this figuring out how we get there is all we have, and it isn't very interesting. The conflict itself is fairly shallow, and the story hasn't thrown us a real curveball yet. I feel like anyone's enjoyment of this arc depends on how much they wanted to see a loose end from Season 1 wrapped up.

      I've heard from others that there are stuff other than just the season 1 loose ends to like about this arc. Although it did remind me how there are people who started watching this show by completely skipping season 1 (either just first half or entire season), and made me wonder if the loose ends brought up would confuse them (although some prob would just read plot synopses).

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    • With Robin's drawings being a thing again in relation to the plot, here is a compilation of them so far. In the latest episode it was pointed out how on the last one among the numerous drawings, one can see a couple of drawings apparently depicting Kasius and Sinara.

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    • With the reference Caine did placing the show currently in the timeline, without spoiling anything, kinda gives me an idea on how this season (and possibly this show) might end, although that might leave some people confused.

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      • Well that is a fun and unexpected heel turn.
      • Davis is that rare blend of "expendable" and "invulnerable" that makes for a perfect henchman.
      • Fitting that Kevin Tancharoen would direct an episode with Mortal Kombat-looking bad guys.
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    • I've been waiting five seasons for this. FIVE SEASONS!

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    • Since the episode promo for next episode is teasing Talbot becoming Graviton, I'm predicting that it turns out it's actually Hall (or even Quinn to an extend) in control of Talbot's body and speaking through him, hence making it more like the comic version.

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    • Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but the Remorath from the last episode are Marauders, which are not only the group that Fitz pretended to be part of when he was in the future with Enoch, but also the group that was one of the antagonists of the movie 'Thor: The Dark World'. The Remorath apparently being an alien species that belongs to that group, who is doing the bidding of the Confederacy, so essentially mercenaries.

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    • KalKent wrote: Not sure if anyone else noticed this, but the Remorath from the last episode are Marauders, which are not only the group that Fitz pretended to be part of when he was in the future with Enoch, but also the group that was one of the antagonists of the movie 'Thor: The Dark World'. The Remorath apparently being an alien species that belongs to that group, who is doing the bidding of the Confederacy, so essentially mercenaries.

      I think he just meant they're marauders. And they're one of the alien races associated with the Confederacy.

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    • The actress who plays General Hale is in tonight's episode of Arrow as the prosecutor in the trial of Oliver Queen.

      I choose to see this as a crossover.

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    • Well now we know how it all ties into the bigger picture. And since we the audience don't know if this show will be renewed or not, and the writers have said the season finale will work as a series finale just in case, I kinda have an idea as to how this season might end.

      EDIT: Also, I thought I recognized Taryan from somewhere before, behind that blue skin and black war paint.

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    • Also, I thought I recognized Taryan from somewhere before, behind that blue skin and black war paint.

      Don't forget the white makeup. Because of course Kasius' dad would also have a stupid print on his face.

      On another note, I like how much of Talbot's personality is preserved through his villainous turn. Everything we know about him, this is exactly how he would act if he suddenly got incredible superpowers, regardless of his mental state beforehand.

      And the other client races of the Confederacy are all minor alien races from the comics. That's a nice touch.

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    • I can't even blame Talbot for not trusting Coulson. After all the stuff he's pulled in the past 5 seasons, I'm surprised Talbot didn't insta-compress him.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Also, I thought I recognized Taryan from somewhere before, behind that blue skin and black war paint.

      Don't forget the white makeup. Because of course Kasius' dad would also have a stupid print on his face.

      On another note, I like how much of Talbot's personality is preserved through his villainous turn. Everything we know about him, this is exactly how he would act if he suddenly got incredible superpowers, regardless of his mental state beforehand.

      And the other client races of the Confederacy are all minor alien races from the comics. That's a nice touch.

      I liked that too but I do wish they looked more like the source material.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Also, I thought I recognized Taryan from somewhere before, behind that blue skin and black war paint.

      Don't forget the white makeup. Because of course Kasius' dad would also have a stupid print on his face.

      On another note, I like how much of Talbot's personality is preserved through his villainous turn. Everything we know about him, this is exactly how he would act if he suddenly got incredible superpowers, regardless of his mental state beforehand.

      And the other client races of the Confederacy are all minor alien races from the comics. That's a nice touch.

      I liked that too but I do wish they looked more like the source material.

      Considering the general tone they've had for not just the episode but the show lately in general, I'm not sure how well they've pulled of having someone look like Molyn, let alone make the audience take it seriously.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Also, I thought I recognized Taryan from somewhere before, behind that blue skin and black war paint.

      Don't forget the white makeup. Because of course Kasius' dad would also have a stupid print on his face.

      I predicted that the one individual that represents the Kree in the Confederacy, would end up being Kasius' father, since I'll admit even I would do an obvious twist like that. Although I was more so recognizing the actor playing the character (Craig Parker), even if that wasn't as obvious as when Patrick Fabian appeared in that one episode.

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    • So was that green guy a Skrull?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: So was that green guy a Skrull?

      If he was he definitely doesn't look like one.

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    • SunGodKizaru wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: So was that green guy a Skrull?

      If he was he definitely doesn't look like one.

      My guess is a Rajak, when compared to the image we have on the Rajaks page that is kinda green.

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    • Took them a while for them to pull the life-support, but 'Inhumans' has been officially cancelled by ABC.

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    • KalKent wrote:
      Took them a while for them to pull the life-support, but 'Inhumans' has been officially cancelled by ABC.

      Our long national nightmare is over.

      The future of Agents of SHIELD is still under consideration, however.

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    • Please ABC, I almost lost Brooklyn 99, I can't loose SHIELD too.

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    • With AoS, I'll be fine either way. Yes, like most things I like and love, I would like them to last for as long as possible, but the showrunners have said that the season finale will work as a series finale as well, although that remains to be seen of course next week. Hopefully it doesn't end like season 4 did, in terms of ending on a big cliffhanger, which ABC intended to be the series finale before Disney stepped in.

      With them holding off on announcing it yet, it might either mean they're waiting until after the season finale, or they are still in the process of deciding it. And while I believe they can do more than one, they might want to put in the effort of doing a different Marvel show on ABC ('Damage Control' which has been in hiatus for so long but has had a pilot order, 'Most Wanted' as a spin-off but the pilot wasn't picked up, the John Ridley project which is uncertain but he has said will happen at some point, and the female focused show), hopefully after having learned from their mistakes with 'Inhumans'.

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    • KalKent wrote: Took them a while for them to pull the life-support, but 'Inhumans' has been officially cancelled by ABC.

      So much wasted potential. Those poor actors, those poor characters. Seriously, how dare Marvel rush something out so poorly made?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Took them a while for them to pull the life-support, but 'Inhumans' has been officially cancelled by ABC.

      So much wasted potential. Those poor actors, those poor characters. Seriously, how dare Marvel rush something out so poorly made?

      Easily blame Buck, Perlmutter, and even Loeb for that. Even after the initial reactions to the IMAX screening made it known how much of a disaster it was, Buck was still talking about him having plans for what to do in seasons 2 and 3, and Loeb about how there were more plans for using IMAX for future shows (this was before even ABC acknowledged how big of a mistake it was).

      Although for the actors I wouldn't worry too much about. Like Anson Mount (Black Bolt) just found a role in the upcoming season of NBC's 'Star Trek: Discovery'. When I spoke to Annabell about it, she mentioned how she was a fan of him in his previous show 'Hell on Wheels', but was deeply disappointed in what they did with him in 'Inhumans'.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Took them a while for them to pull the life-support, but 'Inhumans' has been officially cancelled by ABC.

      So much wasted potential. Those poor actors, those poor characters. Seriously, how dare Marvel rush something out so poorly made?

      Easily blame Buck, Perlmutter, and even Loeb for that. Even after the initial reactions to the IMAX screening made it known how much of a disaster it was, Buck was still talking about him having plans for what to do in seasons 2 and 3, and Loeb about how there were more plans for using IMAX for future shows (this was before even ABC acknowledged how big of a mistake it was).

      Although for the actors I wouldn't worry too much about. Like Anson Mount (Black Bolt) just found a role in the upcoming season of NBC's 'Star Trek: Discovery'. When I spoke to Annabell about it, she mentioned how she was a fan of him in his previous show 'Hell on Wheels', but was deeply disappointed in what they did with him in 'Inhumans'.

      While Buck and Loeb definitely each have their own shares of the blame, I fully blame IMAX and Perlmutter. IMAX for even asking for something that last-minute for their September slot, and Perlmutter for jumping at the chance to shove the CGI-heavy Inhumans in there instead of requesting a special AoS or Agent Carter movie or something to be made (easily could've been a crossover movie that had Vigilante Quake and Outlaw Nomad teaming up between seasons 3 and 4 or something), something that could actually be managed on a low budget and short time frame but still be good.

      Loeb can't really do anything if Perlmutter forces his hand except hire a showrunner, which happened to be Buck, who proved on Iron Fist that he can meet deadlines and be cheap, two of Perlmutter's favorite things.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Took them a while for them to pull the life-support, but 'Inhumans' has been officially cancelled by ABC.

      So much wasted potential. Those poor actors, those poor characters. Seriously, how dare Marvel rush something out so poorly made?

      Easily blame Buck, Perlmutter, and even Loeb for that. Even after the initial reactions to the IMAX screening made it known how much of a disaster it was, Buck was still talking about him having plans for what to do in seasons 2 and 3, and Loeb about how there were more plans for using IMAX for future shows (this was before even ABC acknowledged how big of a mistake it was).

      Although for the actors I wouldn't worry too much about. Like Anson Mount (Black Bolt) just found a role in the upcoming season of NBC's 'Star Trek: Discovery'. When I spoke to Annabell about it, she mentioned how she was a fan of him in his previous show 'Hell on Wheels', but was deeply disappointed in what they did with him in 'Inhumans'.

      While Buck and Loeb definitely each have their own shares of the blame, I fully blame IMAX and Perlmutter. IMAX for even asking for something that last-minute for their September slot, and Perlmutter for jumping at the chance to shove the CGI-heavy Inhumans in there instead of requesting a special AoS or Agent Carter movie or something to be made (easily could've been a crossover movie that had Vigilante Quake and Outlaw Nomad teaming up between seasons 3 and 4 or something), something that could actually be managed on a low budget and short time frame but still be good.

      Loeb can't really do anything if Perlmutter forces his hand except hire a showrunner, which happened to be Buck, who proved on Iron Fist that he can meet deadlines and be cheap, two of Perlmutter's favorite things.

      Since Perlmutter still has the final word on what happens on the TV front of Marvel, it makes me scared of what might with future planned projects, even if some of the other stuff turned out fine like AoS, the Netflix shows, and YA/teen material like 'Runaways' and 'Cloak & Dagger' (the latter of which got great early reception for its pilot episode). I heard with how AoS changed in quality by not having it tie too much into the movies like it did in the earlier seasons, had to do with Perlmutter not being involved in it anymore, so there is still potential.

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    • KalKent wrote: I heard with how AoS changed in quality by not having it tie too much into the movies like it did in the earlier seasons, had to do with Perlmutter not being involved in it anymore, so there is still potential.

      Wait, so Perlmutter was the reason why AoS had so many movie connections? Well, that's bittersweet.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I heard with how AoS changed in quality by not having it tie too much into the movies like it did in the earlier seasons, had to do with Perlmutter not being involved in it anymore, so there is still potential.

      Wait, so Perlmutter was the reason why AoS had so many movie connections? Well, that's bittersweet.

      That's what I heard, but also why at the beginning it was so procedural, as opposed to now where it is telling one overall story (with still some connections sprinkled here and there).

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I heard with how AoS changed in quality by not having it tie too much into the movies like it did in the earlier seasons, had to do with Perlmutter not being involved in it anymore, so there is still potential.

      Wait, so Perlmutter was the reason why AoS had so many movie connections? Well, that's bittersweet.

      That's what I heard, but also why at the beginning it was so procedural, as opposed to now where it is telling one overall story (with still some connections sprinkled here and there).

      I thought the procedural part was because they had to tread water until Winter Soldier?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I heard with how AoS changed in quality by not having it tie too much into the movies like it did in the earlier seasons, had to do with Perlmutter not being involved in it anymore, so there is still potential.

      Wait, so Perlmutter was the reason why AoS had so many movie connections? Well, that's bittersweet.

      That's what I heard, but also why at the beginning it was so procedural, as opposed to now where it is telling one overall story (with still some connections sprinkled here and there).

      I thought the procedural part was because they had to tread water until Winter Soldier?

      I like to think that even after the first season was over, if Perlmutter was still involved in a way and had input on what was going on, it would've gone back to being a procedural for some episodes in season 2. And considering they used season 2 to introduce Inhumans (around halfway through the season), it may had been following the same format as season 1 did (along with tying into 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' with Doctor List and providing Fury the Helicarrier).

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    • Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. officially renewed for a sixth season

      Less oficial word also say it would be a shortened 13-episode season.

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    • Shabook wrote: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. officially renewed for a sixth season

      Less oficial word also say it would be a shortened 13-episode season.

      If it's the final season, then 13 episodes should be enough depending on what they have planned for it. Some shows benefited by shortening their later seasons in my opinion, like 'Community', so they wouldn't drag on.

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    • I wonder if they knew how Infinity War ends when they shot the season finale.

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    • Many people over on reddit are speculating that since Disney swooped in and saved the show last year, they did it again this year, and might be priming it to be one of the headliners of the Disney Streaming Service for next year. So fingers crossed that it's true, since ABC clearly hates the show.

      As for whether or not they knew the IW finale... I don't know. I would assume so, since they knew about Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron and Civil War. I hope so. I need someone to... Y'know.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      As for whether or not they knew the IW finale... I don't know. I would assume so, since they knew about Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron and Civil War. I hope so. I need someone to... Y'know.

      It's been two weeks.

      If they don't do some fakeout where Deke turns to ash and they think it's because they changed the future until others start turning to ash too, then I don't know what the point of this was.

      Fitz, too, I guess. But there's that other Fitz out there. No way half the universe dies and both Fitz's make it.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Fitz, too, I guess. But there's that other Fitz out there. No way half the universe dies and both Fitz's make it.

      That's also something I've thought about, if Fitz were to end up being a victim of the snap (although considering we saw him in flashbacks in the future making the time machine we know he didn't), along with the question of how it would work for someone who's pregnant, if the fetus would go away as well or not.

      And going back to when the two Yo-Yo's talked to each other, and the future one described losing Mack, she seemed to be implying the snap.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      It's been two weeks.

      Oh, thank God. I agree, there's no point in making this ENTIRE SEASON a build-up for the fallout of Infinity War, only to not feature The Snap.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      It's been two weeks.

      Oh, thank God. I agree, there's no point in making this ENTIRE SEASON a build-up for the fallout of Infinity War, only to not feature The Snap.

      When asked about how 'Infinity War' would affect the MCU shows, Markus & McFeely said without spoiling it at the time, that they would be looking forward to seeing how they would handle the snap, assuming they will at all. I can imagine the shows using it as a plot device as to why certain characters aren't present to contribute to the plot, and assuming it gets reversed like it did in the 'Infinity Gauntlet' comic, the characters only being temporarily absent.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Fitz, too, I guess. But there's that other Fitz out there. No way half the universe dies and both Fitz's make it.

      That's also something I've thought about, if Fitz were to end up being a victim of the snap (although considering we saw him in flashbacks in the future making the time machine we know he didn't), along with the question of how it would work for someone who's pregnant, if the fetus would go away as well or not.

      And going back to when the two Yo-Yo's talked to each other, and the future one described losing Mack, she seemed to be implying the snap.

      Another thing to think about is - If Deke disappears when they change the future, should Fitz disappear, too?

      As for what happened to Mack, it seemed to imply at the time that he died fighting the Kree, but who knows if that could've been changed to mean he died when Thanos completed the Half-as-Many Mortals Plan.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: As for what happened to Mack, it seemed to imply at the time that he died fighting the Kree, but who knows if that could've been changed to mean he died when Thanos completed the Half-as-Many Mortals Plan.

      The scene I was talking about, future Yo-Yo says "I don't think I did either, until I was on fire, reaching for Mack, and then there was nothing there." So it could be seen either or. Like her reaching for Mack as she witnesses him dying of something or killed by someone.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: As for what happened to Mack, it seemed to imply at the time that he died fighting the Kree, but who knows if that could've been changed to mean he died when Thanos completed the Half-as-Many Mortals Plan.

      The scene I was talking about, future Yo-Yo says "I don't think I did either, until I was on fire, reaching for Mack, and then there was nothing there." So it could be seen either or. Like her reaching for Mack as she witnesses him dying of something or killed by someone.

      Could also be that he died in the incident that tore the Earth in half.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      It's been two weeks.

      Oh, thank God. I agree, there's no point in making this ENTIRE SEASON a build-up for the fallout of Infinity War, only to not feature The Snap.

      When asked about how 'Infinity War' would affect the MCU shows, Markus & McFeely said without spoiling it at the time, that they would be looking forward to seeing how they would handle the snap, assuming they will at all. I can imagine the shows using it as a plot device as to why certain characters aren't present to contribute to the plot, and assuming it gets reversed like it did in the 'Infinity Gauntlet' comic, the characters only being temporarily absent.

      Huh. So they're assuming that the shows will adapt the snap. I wonder if that means that Marvel TV was told about it beforehand... I really want to see it on AoS.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      It's been two weeks.

      Oh, thank God. I agree, there's no point in making this ENTIRE SEASON a build-up for the fallout of Infinity War, only to not feature The Snap.

      When asked about how 'Infinity War' would affect the MCU shows, Markus & McFeely said without spoiling it at the time, that they would be looking forward to seeing how they would handle the snap, assuming they will at all. I can imagine the shows using it as a plot device as to why certain characters aren't present to contribute to the plot, and assuming it gets reversed like it did in the 'Infinity Gauntlet' comic, the characters only being temporarily absent.

      Huh. So they're assuming that the shows will adapt the snap. I wonder if that means that Marvel TV was told about it beforehand... I really want to see it on AoS.

      I assume they did let them know beforehand, atleast along the lines of "the snap that happened in the comics, will happen to the MCU as well." For the Netflix shows, they may limit it to supporting characters as to why they don't show up, who wouldn't contribute much of anything to the stories they're trying to tell.

      Main thing I'm interested in would be how 'Runaways' would deal with it. Like half of the main characters (the Runaways), half of the PRIDE, or just the PRIDE, and how that would affect them being on-the-run. And I don't know if you've seen the trailers for 'Cloak & Dagger', but the latest one makes a point about how the two main characters are linked, and in the end according to prophecy only one will remain. It's one month away from starting, but it will be interesting to see, although I'm not betting on all of them making use of that.

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    • Be careful with the movie comments guys, this is about a TV series, and you might spoil someone.

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    • SunGodKizaru wrote: Be careful with the movie comments guys, this is about a TV series, and you might spoil someone.

      It's been 3 weeks since it came out. If people still haven't seen one of the biggest movies of all time then that's on them.

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    • And while we celebrate the fact we will see more of it, it seems we won't see season 6 until the summer of 2019, presumably picking up after whatever will happen in 'Avengers 4', which most people will have seen by then.

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    • As for speculation that Season 6, being S.H.I.E.L.D.‘s first-ever shortened run, will serve as the show’s swan song, Dungey told me, “I feel like Season 5 was their creatively strongest yet, so I don’t at the moment have any plans to think of Season 6 as the last season.”

      Well, then.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      As for speculation that Season 6, being S.H.I.E.L.D.‘s first-ever shortened run, will serve as the show’s swan song, Dungey told me, “I feel like Season 5 was their creatively strongest yet, so I don’t at the moment have any plans to think of Season 6 as the last season.”

      Well, then.

      Since Disney's streaming service is supposedly coming out in 2019, I hope once season 6 wraps they decide to have the show on there instead, since it's pretty obvious the ABC channel doesn't want it anymore. Especially since Dungey also said: "The show has a loyal passionate [fan] base. It does incredibly well in delayed viewing," as opposed to when the episodes actually air, which the numbers for them have been getting lower and lower.

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    • KalKent wrote: Main thing I'm interested in would be how 'Runaways' would deal with it. Like half of the main characters (the Runaways), half of the PRIDE, or just the PRIDE, and how that would affect them being on-the-run. And I don't know if you've seen the trailers for 'Cloak & Dagger', but the latest one makes a point about how the two main characters are linked, and in the end according to prophecy only one will remain. It's one month away from starting, but it will be interesting to see, although I'm not betting on all of them making use of that.

      The trailers have made it clear that the Divine Pairing only shows up to prevent a massive catastrophe, and that in the process, one dies and the other lives. I'd die if the catastrophe was Infinity War linked, but it'll probably be Roxxon-related.

      As for Runaways, I don't expect any crossover.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Main thing I'm interested in would be how 'Runaways' would deal with it. Like half of the main characters (the Runaways), half of the PRIDE, or just the PRIDE, and how that would affect them being on-the-run. And I don't know if you've seen the trailers for 'Cloak & Dagger', but the latest one makes a point about how the two main characters are linked, and in the end according to prophecy only one will remain. It's one month away from starting, but it will be interesting to see, although I'm not betting on all of them making use of that.

      The trailers have made it clear that the Divine Pairing only shows up to prevent a massive catastrophe, and that in the process, one dies and the other lives. I'd die if the catastrophe was Infinity War linked, but it'll probably be Roxxon-related.

      As for Runaways, I don't expect any crossover.

      Realistically I'm not expecting it from either show. They could just have it to where it takes place after 'Avengers 4', or whatever happens in that movie maybe the snap gets reversed to where people forgot it happened. I especially don't expect it from either show that early in their lives, since like 'Runaways' did, 'Cloak & Dagger' needs to establish itself and create its own identity, before it starts making references and tie-ins (although I figure the Darkforce, aka zero matter, which is the source of Cloak's powers will tie-in to whatever Roxxon is doing in their part of the story).

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    • Big Ol' Spoiler:


      I didn't share this part of my thought here, but, uh... called it.

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    • Honestly, I called it way back in 5x05.

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    • I did also call that would happen at some point, and if it didn't happen when in the future, it would be in the present towards the end of the season. And with the pop-Fitz-le still being in the orbit of Jupiter with Enoch, I feel that any other show would've forgotten a plot point like that, which up until their goodbyes to Coulson, I almost thought they did.

      Although if Deke is actually gone because of the snap, rather than because of his father dying before he was born, then why would the items in his room be gone as well? Although even if it was because he was erased from existence due to Fitz dying, I wouldn't see why the items would disappear also.

      And speaking of the snap, I was waiting until the very end to see if it would happen or not, so I assume it's just something they will hold off on doing until next season after 'Avengers 4' has come out, assuming they even will to begin with.

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    • KalKent wrote: I did also call that would happen at some point, and if it didn't happen when in the future, it would be in the present towards the end of the season. And with the pop-Fitz-le still being in the orbit of Jupiter with Enoch, I feel that any other show would've forgotten a plot point like that, which up until their goodbyes to Coulson, I almost thought they did.

      Although if Deke is actually gone because of the snap, rather than because of his father dying before he was born, then why would the items in his room be gone as well? Although even if it was because he was erased from existence due to Fitz dying, I wouldn't see why the items would disappear also.

      And speaking of the snap, I was waiting until the very end to see if it would happen or not, so I assume it's just something they will hold off on doing until next season after 'Avengers 4' has come out, assuming they even will to begin with.

      Did anyone say Deke was gone because of the snap? He said he was leaving for the outside world, so I just assumed he packed everything up and went up to the town by the Lighthouse to die.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I did also call that would happen at some point, and if it didn't happen when in the future, it would be in the present towards the end of the season. And with the pop-Fitz-le still being in the orbit of Jupiter with Enoch, I feel that any other show would've forgotten a plot point like that, which up until their goodbyes to Coulson, I almost thought they did.

      Although if Deke is actually gone because of the snap, rather than because of his father dying before he was born, then why would the items in his room be gone as well? Although even if it was because he was erased from existence due to Fitz dying, I wouldn't see why the items would disappear also.

      And speaking of the snap, I was waiting until the very end to see if it would happen or not, so I assume it's just something they will hold off on doing until next season after 'Avengers 4' has come out, assuming they even will to begin with.

      Did anyone say Deke was gone because of the snap? He said he was leaving for the outside world, so I just assumed he packed everything up and went up to the town by the Lighthouse to die.

      I was more so basing that idea on LoveWaffle's speculation, although it would seem coincidental that if the snap happened, the only person it affected was Deke and not any of the other SHIELD agents we follow. And I must've missed the part where he said he was leaving, and I must've assumed he just stocked those items for the Lighthouse being in space. I'm currently in the process of rewatching the season now that its ended.

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    • He blinked out of existence because they broke the time loop. The death might not even matter in that sense.

      I don't think they knew how Infinity War ends. The tie-in doesn't go further than referencing Thanos is coming and stuff's going down in New York. You can get all that from just the trailer. And even if they did, I can imagine why they wouldn't want to end the show with that, as this season finale was written as if it was a series finale.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: He blinked out of existence because they broke the time loop. The death might not even matter in that sense.

      We don't know that because we didn't see it. He himself argued that they just simply sloughed off the time loop into another reality of the Multiverse, meaning if he was right, he's still alive.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: I don't think they knew how Infinity War ends. The tie-in doesn't go further than referencing Thanos is coming and stuff's going down in New York. You can get all that from just the trailer. And even if they did, I can imagine why they wouldn't want to end the show with that, as this season finale was written as if it was a series finale.

      I can see that. And while I'm one of the people who's like "Who hasn't seen 'Infinity War' at this point?", I do also realize that movie and tv are different formats, so one shouldn't require the other. (Relevant meme)

      EDIT: In this interview with Jed Whedon, Maurissa Tancharoen and Jeffrey Bell, they confirm that the season ends before the snap occurs at the end of the battle in Wakanda.

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    • I just realized something with the future that they came from which they prevented from happening. There are 2 Fitz's from that timeline. The Marauder Fitz who they brought back but died in the present when they prevented the future he woke up in from happening, and the Fitz we saw in flashbacks in episode 8 who was Deke's grandfather and who died (presumably) naturally leading up to the year 2091.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: He blinked out of existence because they broke the time loop. The death might not even matter in that sense.

      We don't know that because we didn't see it. He himself argued that they just simply sloughed off the time loop into another reality of the Multiverse, meaning if he was right, he's still alive.

      His room being empty would indicate that he's blinked out of existence.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: He blinked out of existence because they broke the time loop. The death might not even matter in that sense.

      We don't know that because we didn't see it. He himself argued that they just simply sloughed off the time loop into another reality of the Multiverse, meaning if he was right, he's still alive.

      His room being empty would indicate that he's blinked out of existence.

      FitzSimmons weren't sharing a room with Deke, that was Jemma's room where she was packing up Fitz's things for the trip to space. And also, he himself said he was going back up to the town to wait out the end on the surface. He could've either taken his stuff with him or told someone to redistribute it over the base.

      Edit: And also, if he's blinked out of existence, why would the room be empty? He still hoarded all of that stuff into the room. And if him blinking out of existence undoes every action he did, half of (if not all) of the team would be dead, or would've been instantly teleported back into the Monolith room in 2091.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: He blinked out of existence because they broke the time loop. The death might not even matter in that sense.

      We don't know that because we didn't see it. He himself argued that they just simply sloughed off the time loop into another reality of the Multiverse, meaning if he was right, he's still alive.

      His room being empty would indicate that he's blinked out of existence.

      FitzSimmons weren't sharing a room with Deke, that was Jemma's room where she was packing up Fitz's things for the trip to space. And also, he himself said he was going back up to the town to wait out the end on the surface. He could've either taken his stuff with him or told someone to redistribute it over the base.

      Edit: And also, if he's blinked out of existence, why would the room be empty? He still hoarded all of that stuff into the room. And if him blinking out of existence undoes every action he did, half of (if not all) of the team would be dead, or would've been instantly teleported back into the Monolith room in 2091.

      Artistic way to convey that he's blinked out of reality. They spent all the budget on Daisy's fight with Graviton so every other way they could do it on-screen would look goofy or lead people to mistakenly believe he's a victim of the snap.

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    • I also just realized that with the future averted, the box that Fitz hid in level 3 of the Lighthouse is still inside that wall. So in-case Mack at some point loses his shotgun-axe in season 6, there will be a spare one waiting for him.

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    • By Marvel comics rules that future still exists, it was just averted in the original timeline, so its now a diverged one, Deke is from a different future, not the future of these characters, so no he doesn't have to vanish, but obviously Marvel TV might just go with the usual time traveling rules.

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    • With 'Roseanne' being dropped from ABC', leaving a vacant slot on their channel, I've seen some people suggest giving AoS a full season for the next one to fill it. Another suggestion I've seen is for them to pick up the show 'New Warriors' (suggested by Squirrel Girl herself), which has filmed its pilot but no channel or network found for it yet after Freeform passed on it.

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    • They could always bring back Agent Carter for Season 3 Inhumans.

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    • KalKent wrote: With 'Roseanne' being dropped from ABC', leaving a vacant slot on their channel, I've seen some people suggest giving AoS a full season for the next one to fill it. Another suggestion I've seen is for them to pick up the show 'New Warriors' (suggested by Squirrel Girl herself), which has filmed its pilot but no channel or network found for it yet after Freeform passed on it.

      Actually, my first thought was totally New Warriors, rather than AoS.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: They could always bring back Agent Carter for Season 3 Inhumans.

      I wouldn't be opposed to either one. They both desperately need redemption after their previous seasons. But with starring cast members from both shows in other projects, neither one would work.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: With 'Roseanne' being dropped from ABC', leaving a vacant slot on their channel, I've seen some people suggest giving AoS a full season for the next one to fill it. Another suggestion I've seen is for them to pick up the show 'New Warriors' (suggested by Squirrel Girl herself), which has filmed its pilot but no channel or network found for it yet after Freeform passed on it.

      Actually, my first thought was totally New Warriors, rather than AoS.

      It would make sense since it's the "Tuesday comedy block" on ABC's scheduling, something which 'New Warriors' falls into in terms of genres. However I can see something else taking that specific spot that 'Roseanne' left (which it looks like ABC is already eyeing a replacement for), since while the pilot for 'New Warriors' apparently ""tested through the roof" with high-level executives at Disney", it may not warrant that spot when compared to how big 'Roseanne' was.

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    • I just realized something regarding Coulson and him dying. I'm currently rewatching season 5, and when he brings up the deal he made with Ghost Rider being attributed to him dying, Mack questions it by asking: "So what!? He gets to burn longer?" To which Coulson simply responds that he doesn't know, as to why Ghost Rider accepted the deal. So if Coulson ends up being dead, it seems to imply that maybe the Ghost Rider has plans for him (a new host body or a new spirit perhaps), or there's more that we don't know yet about the Spirit of Vengeance.

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    • It seemed to me like the deal was this: GR wanted to kill AIDA and protect the Darkhold, as did Coulson. So they teamed up, with Coulson giving GR a chance to get up close and personal with AIDA. However, doing so would burn out all of T.A.H.I.T.I., which Coulson agreed to.

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    • I figured the deal worked the same way as to how Robbie gained the GR powers. If one wants the powers, the Spirit wants something in return (Robbie wanted revenge, so the Spirit resurrected him in return for dealing with the Darkhold, which happened to be part of Robbie's revenge). An exception being Mack of course, who got the powers without asking for them. And by what was said when Coulson's deal was revealed, it implied that the Spirit wanted more than just Aida being destroyed (because of her being a product of the Darkhold), by possessing him, and Coulson not knowing the reason for it taking away the TAHITI serum from him (unless like you said it just happens to be a side-effect).

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    • Speaking of dusty threads.

      Season 6 will start filming soon, where the first episode will be directed by Clark Gregg himself.

      Anyone wanna take guesses on these character breakdowns for the season? One of which people wish would just be Lance Hunter returning.

      EDIT: And Jeff Ward as Deke has been upped to being a regular.

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    • Well that was unexpected.

      [Insert gif of Deke hugging a tree]

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    • I love Deke so much, he's so precious. Please don't let Daisy fall for him, I'd really like for him to stick around.

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    • Deke's fun, he's like a puppy you have to keep hitting with a newspaper.

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    • One weird thing I saw in response to Deke appearing in season 6, is that it "confirmed Fitz is still alive." Which I found weird because 1. After Marauder-Fitz died, they explicitly brought up how the regular Fitz is still alive sleeping in space, so he's not lost. And 2. Even if he wasn't, that doesn't mean Deke would disappear, since it's been separate timeslines and universes has been established, so the 199999 and Marauder Fitz's status of being alive wouldn't affect Deke.

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    • I could see Deke being used as a measure of how close they are to finding Fitz. Like the reverse of the photo in Back to the Future - the more Deke is able to have an effect on the world, the closer they are to finding him.

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    • I'm just happy that Deke is still around, he's so yummy.

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    • He's fictional. He won't be leaving you any lemons.

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    • With it being implied in the season 5 finale that he might've ceased to exist, due to his room being empty, I hope they say something along these lines once he's found.

      Daisy: "Deke!? I thought you disappeared!"

      Deke: "Turns out my Multiverse theory was correct!"

      If I remember correctly, he brought up the theory to her specifically when they were in the future.

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    • While most likely just a joke, in the commentary track for 'Avengers: Infinity War', it was hinted that Cull Obsidian's severed hand would appear in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'.

      They probably joked about it, in the sense how the show usually brings up stuff to tie themselves back to the movies, unlike the others shows which try to tell their own stand-alone stories.

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    • KalKent wrote: While most likely just a joke, in the commentary track for 'Avengers: Infinity War', it was hinted that Cull Obsidian's severed hand would appear in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'.

      They probably joked about it, in the sense how the show usually brings up stuff to tie themselves back to the movies, unlike the others shows which try to tell their own stand-alone stories.

      Some will see it as a joke, I will see it as yet another acknowledgement from Marvel Studios that Marvel Television is in the same canon as the movies. (Because unfortunately there's still waves of people who believe otherwise.)

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: While most likely just a joke, in the commentary track for 'Avengers: Infinity War', it was hinted that Cull Obsidian's severed hand would appear in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'.

      They probably joked about it, in the sense how the show usually brings up stuff to tie themselves back to the movies, unlike the others shows which try to tell their own stand-alone stories.

      Some will see it as a joke, I will see it as yet another acknowledgement from Marvel Studios that Marvel Television is in the same canon as the movies. (Because unfortunately there's still waves of people who believe otherwise.)

      Even when easter eggs and such are pointed out (that are intended to be connections by the people behind the shows), they move the goal post to the point where they're like "Well, no characters from the movies have appeared," (other than Coulson, Fury, Peggy and Sif) or "The movies still haven't mentioned what has happened in the shows." (other than the Helicarrier provided in 'Age of Ultron').

      The latter of which I find baffling, since they at no point bring up examples of when in the movies it would've been relevant to bring said events up.

      I wonder if they would apply that same logic to the comics. "I don't believe this new Punisher series takes place in the main Marvel universe, because Frank doesn't mention the Avengers of X-Men in any of the issues!" (The MAX comics being the exception)

      But yeah, I do see it as acknowledgement, especially with Markus & McFeely saying that, since they've had experience writing for Marvel's TV side before (the pilot for 'Agent Carter' specifically).

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: While most likely just a joke, in the commentary track for 'Avengers: Infinity War', it was hinted that Cull Obsidian's severed hand would appear in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'.

      They probably joked about it, in the sense how the show usually brings up stuff to tie themselves back to the movies, unlike the others shows which try to tell their own stand-alone stories.

      Some will see it as a joke, I will see it as yet another acknowledgement from Marvel Studios that Marvel Television is in the same canon as the movies. (Because unfortunately there's still waves of people who believe otherwise.)

      Even when easter eggs and such are pointed out (that are intended to be connections by the people behind the shows), they move the goal post to the point where they're like "Well, no characters from the movies have appeared," (other than Coulson, Fury, Peggy and Sif) or "The movies still haven't mentioned what has happened in the shows." (other than the Helicarrier provided in 'Age of Ultron').

      The latter of which I find baffling, since they at no point bring up examples of when in the movies it would've been relevant to bring said events up.

      I wonder if they would apply that same logic to the comics. "I don't believe this new Punisher series takes place in the main Marvel universe, because Frank doesn't mention the Avengers of X-Men in any of the issues!" (The MAX comics being the exception)

      But yeah, I do see it as acknowledgement, especially with Markus & McFeely saying that, since they've had experience writing for Marvel's TV side before (the pilot for 'Agent Carter' specifically).

      Aside from writing the Pilot for Agent Carter, I believe they were also the showrunners, and Joe Russo directed the second episode. And Feige was a Producer, the only show to have his direct involvement.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Aside from writing the Pilot for Agent Carter, I believe they were also the showrunners, and Joe Russo directed the second episode. And Feige was a Producer, the only show to have his direct involvement.

      They were creators of it, while Tara Butters, Michele Fazekas, and Chris Dingess were the showrunners (similarly to how Drew Goddard created 'Daredevil', but other people were showrunners for the individual seasons).

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Aside from writing the Pilot for Agent Carter, I believe they were also the showrunners, and Joe Russo directed the second episode. And Feige was a Producer, the only show to have his direct involvement.

      They were creators of it, while Tara Butters, Michele Fazekas, and Chris Dingess were the showrunners (similarly to how Drew Goddard created 'Daredevil', but other people were showrunners for the individual seasons).

      Ohh. Still really cool, though.

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    • If they are serious about Cull Obsidian's hand appearing in an episode (or even episodes) of 'AoS', I wonder for what reason. Maybe for the purpose of a DNA sample, but no idea why (other than something space related to bring back sleeping Fitz). With how season 5 ended, it's pretty much open to debate on what can happen in season 6.

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    • Even with the new Disney streaming service on the horizon (late 2019), ABC are in talks over what their next Marvel show will be on the network, along with 'AoS' still being part of it for a possible seventh season.

      I'm torn on which I would want them to have (assuming they've learned their lessons from previous cancelled shows). Either 'New Warriors' just for the sake of giving it a home already, or whatever project John Ridley has planned just so we know what it will be about.

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    • That John Ridley project has to be dead by now.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: That John Ridley project has to be dead by now.

      According to a Reddit AMA back in June with Jeph Loeb, he said that the John Ridley project is still classified. So who knows at this point.

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      • The Defenders - Dragon bones under New York, gotta dig 'em up
      • Runaways - Creature under Los Angeles, gotta dig it up
      • Cloak & Dagger - Combined Darkforce & Lightforce under New Orleans, gotta dig it up
      • Agents of SHIELD S2 midseason finale - Alien city under San Juan, gotta get down there
      • Agents of SHIELD S5 finale - Gravitonium under Chicago, gotta dig it up

      What special thing is under your city in the MCU?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      • The Defenders - Dragon bones under New York, gotta dig 'em up
      • Runaways - Creature under Los Angeles, gotta dig it up
      • Cloak & Dagger - Combined Darkforce & Lightforce under New Orleans, gotta dig it up
      • Agents of SHIELD S2 midseason finale - Alien city under San Juan, gotta get down there
      • Agents of SHIELD S5 finale - Gravitonium under Chicago, gotta dig it up

      What special thing is under your city in the MCU?

      The country of Wakanda has Vibranium beneath it, which they've been mining for centuries.

      I like to think London has a secret society of vampires beneath it. Blade gotta get down there and kill them all.

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    • City of Sasquatches.

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    • Stockholm would have buried vikings beneath which were turned into zombies.

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    • I mean, the San Juan Kree city isn't that far from me, I'm just 2 towns south from there.

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    • Figured I'd dust this off this thread for something ABC related news.

      Last year it was reported that ABC was planning to develop a female focused Marvel show (this was back before we knew how 'Inhumans' would turn out).

      Now it's come out that Allan Heinberg, writer of the Wonder Woman comics and movie, and the Young Avengers comics, will be headlining it. Apparently it will be about multiple female Marvel characters that are "lesser known".

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    • Huh. I wonder who it could be. My first thought was Marvel Divas but Black Cat is with Sony, Firestar is with FOX, Monica Rambeau is going to debut in Captain Marvel and likely staying on as a supporting character over there, and Hellcat is over on Netflix.

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    • Obvious example I've heard is Kate Bishop (Heinberg creation), though depends how they would do her without Clint around.

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    • I personally think they are going to take "random" and "unrelated" less-known female characters such as Tigra, Echo or Angela del Toro, and make them band together.

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    • Shabook wrote: I personally think they are going to take "random" and "unrelated" less-known female characters such as Tigra, Echo or Angela del Toro, and make them band together.

      Angela would be interesting since she was mentioned in 'Jessica Jones'. I would think they would ignore that she was mentioned in that show at first, but 'AoS' did mention the events of 'Daredevil' in a news scroll when introducing the Watchdogs, so who knows.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Shabook wrote: I personally think they are going to take "random" and "unrelated" less-known female characters such as Tigra, Echo or Angela del Toro, and make them band together.

      Angela would be interesting since she was mentioned in 'Jessica Jones'. I would think they would ignore that she was mentioned in that show at first, but 'AoS' did mention the events of 'Daredevil' in a news scroll when introducing the Watchdogs, so who knows.

      Well, all they mentioned was that she was a private investigator with reasonable rates. As long as she's still a P.I. it could be fine.

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    • Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. also mentioned Micro as a Skye's fellow hacker and a "crime-scene junkie", so there is no reason for them not to incorpórate del Toro anywhere. Honestly, I felt that "Price Cheng" guy from season 2 of Jessica Jones should have been her instead of "random original character"

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    • I wish he was Paladin, because he was rumoured to show up at some point.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: I wish he was Paladin, because he was rumoured to show up at some point.

      I thought that was because there set photos of Diamondback fighting Luke Cage before Diamondback was announced to appear in the series, and Diamondback's gear looks like Paladin's.

      Anyway, with Disney looking to other distributors for their content (specifically, ones in-house), we might be moving towards a point where they're going to say certain characters can't appear there and develop other plans for them. Maybe Jessica Jones waited too long for White Tiger and now Jeph Loeb or Kevin Feige have plans for Angela del Toro or Ava Ayala or one of the dudes elsewhere.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: I wish he was Paladin, because he was rumoured to show up at some point.

      This message made me realize you could help with a little project of mine. In this blog I collected most original characters from the MCU, and mostly Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., hoping to find what characters from the comics could have been used to fill their role in the stories.

      For example, if Ellen Nadeer had been called Lenora Moore, that would have enriched the character's backstory and her animosity towards Jeffrey Mace. Or what if Madame Gao had been Madame Xao?

      I hope you can suggest other characters and collaborate regularly.

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    • If they modelled said characters after the comic counterparts to begin with, then I can see that. Though not merely by just changing their name.

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    • KalKent wrote: If they modelled said characters after the comic counterparts to begin with, then I can see that. Though not merely by just changing their name.

      Many characters actually derived from the comics have very little to do with their comic counterparts. Take Lash, Blizzard, Jeffrey Mace, Whizzer or Daniel Whitehall. Yes, they have a few things in common, but they are vastly different.

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    • Looking over your blog post it seems I already contributed back in 2015. I suggested Mr. Rance = Larks.

      I still think Enoch could've been a Rigellian Recorder, maybe even Recorder 211.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Looking over your blog post it seems I already contributed back in 2015. I suggested Mr. Rance = Larks.

      I still think Enoch could've been a Rigellian Recorder, maybe even Recorder 211.

      Speaking of which, not sure how realiable IMDB is regarding this if at all, but apparently Chronicoms are set to appear in season 6, and not just Enoch specifically.

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    • KalKent wrote: Speaking of which, not sure how realiable IMDB is regarding this if at all, but apparently Chronicoms are set to appear in season 6, and not just Enoch specifically.

      In my experience, IMDb tends to be reliable except that at first it adds any actor that is announced for every episode of the season, and sometimes with cameos of other actors. So I'd say it's good info.

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    • Shabook wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Speaking of which, not sure how realiable IMDB is regarding this if at all, but apparently Chronicoms are set to appear in season 6, and not just Enoch specifically.

      In my experience, IMDb tends to be reliable except that at first it adds any actor that is announced for every episode of the season, and sometimes with cameos of other actors. So I'd say it's good info.

      Main reason I'm not sure, is because I remember back when season 1 was airing, on IMDB it claimed that Travis Love (of 'The Walking Dead' fame) was going to appear as Tony Masters aka Taskmaster. How it works may have changed since then, but it never hurts to always be skeptical.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Shabook wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Speaking of which, not sure how realiable IMDB is regarding this if at all, but apparently Chronicoms are set to appear in season 6, and not just Enoch specifically.

      In my experience, IMDb tends to be reliable except that at first it adds any actor that is announced for every episode of the season, and sometimes with cameos of other actors. So I'd say it's good info.

      Main reason I'm not sure, is because I remember back when season 1 was airing, on IMDB it claimed that Travis Love (of 'The Walking Dead' fame) was going to appear as Tony Masters aka Taskmaster. How it works may have changed since then, but it never hurts to always be skeptical.

      That's exactly what I meant. Either a big actor or a big role? Take it with a grain of salt. I remember too that "Agent Rambeau" was added for season 2.

      A little trick is to check the stunt doubles. Thanks to that, I learned of Kingpin's appearance in DD S2 and Red Skull in Infinity War months before their respective releases.

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    • Shabook wrote: A little trick is to check the stunt doubles. Thanks to that, I learned of Kingpin's appearance in DD S2 and Red Skull in Infinity War months before their respective releases.

      I personally wouldn't want to spoil myself and learn that, I thought the Red Skull reveal was amazing. What I want to know is why Red Skull would even have needed a stunt double

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Nurdboy42 wrote: Looking over your blog post it seems I already contributed back in 2015. I suggested Mr. Rance = Larks.

      I still think Enoch could've been a Rigellian Recorder, maybe even Recorder 211.

      Speaking of which, not sure how realiable IMDB is regarding this if at all, but apparently Chronicoms are set to appear in season 6, and not just Enoch specifically.

      IMDb isn't really reliable, but due to how the last season ended it wouldn't be a surprise if they showed up.

      Also, always thought Enoch was like their take on Uatu. The show has a tendency to use obscure characters from the comics and (ostensibly) original ones to adapt much bigger ones they'd never be allowed to use for one reason or another. If Chronicoms were supposed to be Rigellian recorders, I don't know why they couldn't just call them that.

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    • Well that came way sooner than I expected!

      ABC has renewed 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.' for a seventh season.

      If it's 13 episodes like season 6 will be, then maybe they are just splitting one season run into two for pacing reasons, or for extra shooting time for each season. The reason they give in the article is "the two shorter seasons to be filmed back-to-back, which helps to reduces costs."

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    • I'm seriously shocked, but so happy about Season 7.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I'm seriously shocked, but so happy about Season 7.

      I find it funny how far we've come. When both season 4 and 5 ended, people were waiting in anticipation wondering if it would ever get renewed or not (if Disney hadn't stepped in, ABC considered ending the show after season 4 ended, leaving it on a massive cliffhanger).

      And now while we're waiting for so long for the next season to actually arrive, they go ahead and give another season which we'll have to wait even longer for.

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    • This report is suspect but screw it there isn't much to talk about these days:

      Anthony Michael Hall to guest star in Season 6

      Also says Piper and Enoch will be back.

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    • According to people on reddit (lol) Max Osinski has been posting from the set throughout filming, so Davis is back as well.

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    • I do know Enoch is back. Not only with the actor's name being listed in IMDB, but also reports and sightings of him on the set for the season.

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    • Teaser

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    • Coulson Is Dead...?!

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    • "What's S.H.I.E.L.D.?"

      Makes me wonder if they took into account the season coming out after 'Captain Marvel', and if so it will tie into something established in that movie.

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    • KalKent wrote: "What's S.H.I.E.L.D.?"

      Makes me wonder if they took into account the season coming out after 'Captain Marvel', and if so it will tie into something established in that movie.

      With Season 4 and Season 5 exploring what us comic fans would consider alternate realities, I think Season 6 might go full-steam ahead with an obvious alternate reality. The trailer already shows what people have realized is Maveth!Jemma tackling Pilot!Fitz through a door/window, and then of course seemingly Evil!Coulson.

      I think we're gonna be exploring the Multiverse this season. Hopefully.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: "What's S.H.I.E.L.D.?"

      Makes me wonder if they took into account the season coming out after 'Captain Marvel', and if so it will tie into something established in that movie.

      With Season 4 and Season 5 exploring what us comic fans would consider alternate realities, I think Season 6 might go full-steam ahead with an obvious alternate reality. The trailer already shows what people have realized is Maveth!Jemma tackling Pilot!Fitz through a door/window, and then of course seemingly Evil!Coulson.

      I think we're gonna be exploring the Multiverse this season. Hopefully.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the Simmons and Fitz scene is just her trying to reach him in his mind, trying to wake up Fitz from his slumber by reliving important past events with each other (return of Fitz's evil dad maybe?).

      And if this evil Coulson is a Skrull, we will have to refer to him as Skroullson.

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    • I wonder if Clark Gregg is allowed to tell them story details about Captain Marvel that would normally be kept under wraps.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: I wonder if Clark Gregg is allowed to tell them story details about Captain Marvel that would normally be kept under wraps.

      I think not just Gregg, but Marvel Studios might have given some intel, just so they know what to expect. I bet something along the same lines happened with season 5 regarding the events of 'Infinity War', though probably not anymore than "Thanos invades," and maybe nothing about the Snap (or Decimation) judging by the season's ending.

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    • They didn't seem to know anything about Infinity War except for what anyone could pick up from the trailer. Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment people just don't talk to each other, but Clark Gregg happens to be both of those.

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    • There must be some sort of talks between the two (way more than between WB TV and WB Studios, other than what the former can no longer use, like in the Arrowverse), judging by the previous times episodes were released concurrently with some of the movies (the Hydra takeover in season 1 episode 17, the Helicarrier provided for Fury in season 2 episode 20, and the Sokovia Accords in season 3 episode 20). It may have been reduced to a way lesser extent since then, especially with season 4 which was the most stand-alone one (since it came out at the same time with movies with nothing to really tie into, other than 'Doctor Strange'), but I don't think the amount of talking is zero.

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    • KalKent wrote: There must be some sort of talks between the two (way more than between WB TV and WB Studios, other than what the former can no longer use, like in the Arrowverse), judging by the previous times episodes were released concurrently with some of the movies (the Hydra takeover in season 1 episode 17, the Helicarrier provided for Fury in season 2 episode 20, and the Sokovia Accords in season 3 episode 20). It may have been reduced to a way lesser extent since then, especially with season 4 which was the most stand-alone one (since it came out at the same time with movies with nothing to really tie into, other than 'Doctor Strange'), but I don't think the amount of talking is zero.

      They did communicate once. Then Marvel Studios broke off from Marvel Entertainment.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: There must be some sort of talks between the two (way more than between WB TV and WB Studios, other than what the former can no longer use, like in the Arrowverse), judging by the previous times episodes were released concurrently with some of the movies (the Hydra takeover in season 1 episode 17, the Helicarrier provided for Fury in season 2 episode 20, and the Sokovia Accords in season 3 episode 20). It may have been reduced to a way lesser extent since then, especially with season 4 which was the most stand-alone one (since it came out at the same time with movies with nothing to really tie into, other than 'Doctor Strange'), but I don't think the amount of talking is zero.

      They did communicate once. Then Marvel Studios broke off from Marvel Entertainment.

      Hence why I said it has reduced since then, but it's still not to zero, since someone has to tell the TV side what they can and can't use.

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    • ABC chooses to pass on the all-female Marvel show from Allan Heinberg. Interesting how we know about this so soon, but still nothing official or concrete regarding the John Ridley one, or even 'New Warriors'.

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    • Not too much of a surprise. ABC barely wants to keep Agents of SHIELD as it is. Except for The CW, nobody seems interested in making new superhero TV if it's not going to a streaming service.

      Wonder what it would've been, though.

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