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  • A continuation of the MCU-films thread that I created, since each thread is limited to a maximum of 500 posts.

    Like the previous one, the intention of this thread is to discuss Marvel Cinematic Universe-movies made by Marvel Studios, whether they be old, new, or future ones. And also use the thread to bring light on news and announcements, and share speculations, on future movies.

    SPOILER RULES: When a new movie comes out, spoilers will only be allowed to be brought up 2 weeks after the movie's US release date, to give as many people as possible the chance on catching up with it, and being able to join in on the discussions without getting spoiled.

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    • Regarding what Ben said in the last thread, I was considering just calling this thread "Marvel films", until I realized what Sony are still trying to do.

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    • Ohhh right I forgot that Sony is trying to do a not-Spider-Verse.

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    • Ben 1,000,911 wrote:
      Ohhh right I forgot that Sony is trying to do a not-Spider-Verse.

      Considering the animated Miles Morales movie is subtitled "Into the Spider-Verse," I would not be surprised if Sony wants to use that to work in crossovers with other Spider-Men (like Tom Holland's) if the movie is a hit.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Ben 1,000,911 wrote:
      Ohhh right I forgot that Sony is trying to do a not-Spider-Verse.

      Considering the animated Miles Morales movie is subtitled "Into the Spider-Verse," I would not be surprised if Sony wants to use that to work in crossovers with other Spider-Men (like Tom Holland's) if the movie is a hit.

      In animated form possibly. I could see it cross with an animated reality that's similar to what was established in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', without having it actually tie-in to the MCU.

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    • Deadpool, staying R-Rated. X-Men, Deadpool and Fantastic Four confirmed to join the MCU. I'm so happy, I don't even care about that net neutrality stuff, I'm getting my Dazzler movie!

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    • We still have to wait to see if that merger will be approved or not. I'm fairly certain it's not set-in-stone just yet. It would be embarrassing if it falls through, after fans have pre-maturely celebrated.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Ben 1,000,911 wrote:
      Ohhh right I forgot that Sony is trying to do a not-Spider-Verse.

      Considering the animated Miles Morales movie is subtitled "Into the Spider-Verse," I would not be surprised if Sony wants to use that to work in crossovers with other Spider-Men (like Tom Holland's) if the movie is a hit.

      In animated form possibly. I could see it cross with an animated reality that's similar to what was established in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', without having it actually tie-in to the MCU.

      I think it's Sony's whole plan. They get Spider-Man in the MCU AND an Avengers-style crossover comprised of Spider-Man characters.

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    • Apparently the regulatory process for the Disney-Fox merger will take 12-18 months, but I don't know what that means for what Disney can and can't use yet (not an expert on stocks and such).

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    • Okay, I just came back from watching 'The Last Jedi' (great movie much like 'Force Awakens'), and among the trailers shown before it, both were the recent ones for 'Black Panther' and 'Infinity War', but both were a bit cut for the sake of time.

      That is why I don't rely on only seeing trailers in the theater because 1. I don't always go to the theater to see something (unless it's Marvel, Star Wars, or Christopher Nolan), and 2. I like to see the full thing so I know what they intend for us to see before the movie comes out.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Deadpool, staying R-Rated. X-Men, Deadpool and Fantastic Four confirmed to join the MCU. I'm so happy, I don't even care about that net neutrality stuff, I'm getting my Dazzler movie!

      In all seriousness tho, this net neutrality situation blows. I hope nothing goes wrong with viewcomic/readcomicsonline or even wikia in general.

      KalKent wrote: Okay, I just came back from watching 'The Last Jedi' (great movie much like 'Force Awakens'), and among the trailers shown before it, both were the recent ones for 'Black Panther' and 'Infinity War', but both were a bit cut for the sake of time.

      In less seriousness, I too saw Last Jedi this afternoon, but was almost late and missed most of the trailers. I might not see the movie again, but who knows. Just in case, what were the Black Panther and Infinity War ones like, compared to the trailers we've already seen?

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    • Ben 1,000,911 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Deadpool, staying R-Rated. X-Men, Deadpool and Fantastic Four confirmed to join the MCU. I'm so happy, I don't even care about that net neutrality stuff, I'm getting my Dazzler movie!

      In all seriousness tho, this net neutrality situation blows. I hope nothing goes wrong with viewcomic/readcomicsonline or even wikia in general.

      As someone who's not a US-citizen, I wonder how this net neutrality repeal will affect non-US countries. I kinda doubt they would go completely unaffected, but it sure is interesting observing from afar.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Ben 1,000,911 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Deadpool, staying R-Rated. X-Men, Deadpool and Fantastic Four confirmed to join the MCU. I'm so happy, I don't even care about that net neutrality stuff, I'm getting my Dazzler movie!

      In all seriousness tho, this net neutrality situation blows. I hope nothing goes wrong with viewcomic/readcomicsonline or even wikia in general.

      As someone who's not a US-citizen, I wonder how this net neutrality repeal will affect non-US countries. I kinda doubt they would go completely unaffected, but it sure is interesting observing from afar.

      Hopefully the repeal won't last long enough for us to find out.

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    • Ben 1,000,911 wrote: In all seriousness tho, this net neutrality situation blows. I hope nothing goes wrong with viewcomic/readcomicsonline or even wikia in general.

      Meh. Dozens of states are lining up lawsuits as we speak, and people have been raging against it since like last week. I have no doubt it'll be reversed soon enough.

      As for viewcomic or readcomicsonline, I don't think they'll be shut down. People will just be charged more to access sites like that by their internet service providers. Which sucks because that's how I stay caught up on series/events I don't care about in case they become relevant to series I actually care about.

      As for Wikia, it's basically Wikipedia for fandoms, so I'm sure it'd be included in some online forum and/or online encyclopedia package. Which would suck.

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    • Ben 1,000,911 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Okay, I just came back from watching 'The Last Jedi' (great movie much like 'Force Awakens'), and among the trailers shown before it, both were the recent ones for 'Black Panther' and 'Infinity War', but both were a bit cut for the sake of time.

      In less seriousness, I too saw Last Jedi this afternoon, but was almost late and missed most of the trailers. I might not see the movie again, but who knows. Just in case, what were the Black Panther and Infinity War ones like, compared to the trailers we've already seen?

      The Infinity War trailer was pretty much the same one that came out last month. They also showed some clips of Black Panther during the pre show, but they were from the international trailer.

      (Also saw, and liked, TLJ but the reception from the SW fandom has made me less of a fan)

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:

      Ben 1,000,911 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Okay, I just came back from watching 'The Last Jedi' (great movie much like 'Force Awakens'), and among the trailers shown before it, both were the recent ones for 'Black Panther' and 'Infinity War', but both were a bit cut for the sake of time.

      In less seriousness, I too saw Last Jedi this afternoon, but was almost late and missed most of the trailers. I might not see the movie again, but who knows. Just in case, what were the Black Panther and Infinity War ones like, compared to the trailers we've already seen?

      The Infinity War trailer was pretty much the same one that came out last month. They also showed some clips of Black Panther during the pre show, but they were from the international trailer.

      (Also saw, and liked, TLJ but the reception from the SW fandom has made me less of a fan)

      That' what it was for me. The same recent trailers for both just cut for time. The 'Black Panther' one specifically was the one where it showed Thor and the 'Avengers 1' climax at the beginning (but cut out Iron Man), that was part of the international version.

      (Not really part of the topic in question for this thread but) I still stand by really liking TLJ regardless of what the complaints the fandom might have. It's one of those cases where I go and see something based on if it got good reception from critics, and after that not listen to what others has to say. In this case it's because I find the SW fandom to be generally obnoxious.

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    • Happy New Year (from where I live)! Here's to the movies that are coming out soon that we are both looking forward to and dreading (mainly 'Venom' and Fox's stuff sans 'Deadpool 2').

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    • Let's hope 2018 gives us the one thing we all want: Inhumans Season 2!

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    • May your bulldogs be huge and redheads be shaved.

      Happy New Year from Canada!

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    • Via the Toys'R'Us website (of all places), there are now character bios for some of the characters in 'Black Panther', although some of them are a bit spoiler-y from what I've heard, especially the one for Killmonger.

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    • Well that's...different.

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    • I will say this. After seeing her being the lead in one of the recent episodes of 'Black Mirror', I'm looking forward to seeing what they will do with Letitia Wright as Shuri in 'Black Panther', especially since the character is T'Challa's younger sister.

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    • Martin Freeman gets his own toy? I'm happy for him.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Martin Freeman gets his own toy? I'm happy for him.

      Clearly you've never heard of The Hobbit and Sherlock.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Martin Freeman gets his own toy? I'm happy for him.

      Clearly you've never heard of The Hobbit and Sherlock.

      I think he meant in terms of when compared to other characters in the film. In terms of supporting characters, I expect the Dora Milaje and the villain characters to get their own toys. Not so much one based on a character who is a CIA-agent, unless he's going to do something dope in the movie that we're not yet aware of.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Let's hope 2018 gives us the one thing we all want: Inhumans Season 2!

      I actually do really want it. If only so they can redeem those characters like Netflix is desperately trying to do with Iron Fist.

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    • The run-time for 'Black Panther' is apparently going to be about 2 hours and 15 minutes, which makes it the longest debut solo MCU-movie ('Homecoming' being a close second with 2 hours and 13 minutes). Although I do remember the run-time for 'Ragnarok' before it came out wasn't set-in-stone at that point either, since it was at one point being reported being 100 minutes, but ended up being 130 minutes.

      Either way, as long as it's good I don't mind it being that length. Say what one wants about the MCU-movies, and I may be in the minority on this, but I've never thought any of them were "too long".

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    • KalKent wrote: The run-time for 'Black Panther' is apparently going to be about 2 hours and 15 minutes, which makes it the longest debut solo MCU-movie ('Homecoming' being a close second with 2 hours and 13 minutes). Although I do remember the run-time for 'Ragnarok' before it came out wasn't set-in-stone at that point either, since it was at one point being reported being 100 minutes, but ended up being 130 minutes.

      Either way, as long as it's good I don't mind it being that length. Say what one wants about the MCU-movies, and I may be in the minority on this, but I've never thought any of them were "too long".

      Runtime has never been a complaint among MCU movies, except maybe Civil War (the longest of all the films at 147 minutes), though that movie was paced well to where it wasn't an issue at all. 150 minutes is usually my limit, but I'm more than willing for Infinity War to be Peter Jackson levels of length to allow for character breathing room.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: The run-time for 'Black Panther' is apparently going to be about 2 hours and 15 minutes, which makes it the longest debut solo MCU-movie ('Homecoming' being a close second with 2 hours and 13 minutes). Although I do remember the run-time for 'Ragnarok' before it came out wasn't set-in-stone at that point either, since it was at one point being reported being 100 minutes, but ended up being 130 minutes.

      Either way, as long as it's good I don't mind it being that length. Say what one wants about the MCU-movies, and I may be in the minority on this, but I've never thought any of them were "too long".

      Runtime has never been a complaint among MCU movies, except maybe Civil War (the longest of all the films at 147 minutes), though that movie was paced well to where it wasn't an issue at all. 150 minutes is usually my limit, but I'm more than willing for Infinity War to be Peter Jackson levels of length to allow for character breathing room.

      Same here. Pacing is everything, which was the difference between people complaining about the length of 'BvS', while being fine with the length of 'Civil War'.

      If I can binge-watch an entire season of a show with only a handful of bathroom breaks, then I can watch an epic-length movie with problem as well. Although to be fair, at least at home. Not sure if I and others would be able to do that in a theatre, which was one of the reasons people thought was why 'Blade Runner 2049' ended up being a flop at the box office.

      And unlike what some people want out of 'Justice League', while I like it out of some other movies, I'm not one who wants longer cuts of an MCU-movie, since I've found each cut of each movie to be enough in showing what they wanted to do with it.

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    • Kendrick Lamar and the Top Dawg Entertainment record label are soon releasing a soundtrack for 'Black Panther', with the track "All The Stars" with SZA as a teaser for it.

      While both 'GotG' movies kinda did the same thing already with both Awesome Mixes, I believe this will be the first MCU one that has a soundtrack of mostly, if not all, original songs made for the movie. Though that remains to be seen since they haven't revealed the full tracklist of it yet.

      (Another article about it)

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    • DeWanda Wise lands a role opposite Brie Larson in 'Captain Marvel', which some people are already speculating as playing Monica Rambeau.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Let's hope 2018 gives us the one thing we all want: Inhumans Season 2!

      I actually do really want it. If only so they can redeem those characters like Netflix is desperately trying to do with Iron Fist.

      The Fantastic Four will be back with the MCU sooner or later. I can wait until then to see the Inhumans again.

      Maybe that time Medusa can keep her hair.

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    • KalKent wrote: DeWanda Wise lands a role opposite Brie Larson in 'Captain Marvel', which some people are already speculating as playing Monica Rambeau.

      I'd be surprised if she was playing anyone BUT Monica.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Let's hope 2018 gives us the one thing we all want: Inhumans Season 2!

      I actually do really want it. If only so they can redeem those characters like Netflix is desperately trying to do with Iron Fist.

      The Fantastic Four will be back with the MCU sooner or later. I can wait until then to see the Inhumans again.

      Maybe that time Medusa can keep her hair.

      God, no. They'll most certainly be recast in that case, and I loved Serinda Swan as Medusa.

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    • After previously doing it with 'GotG Vol. 2', the full script for 'Thor: Ragnarok' has been released online for free. I guess the only way I could see myself reading full scripts if I was interested in writing them to begin with, but in terms of film-making I'm more so interested in directing and cinematography when it comes to shots and such.

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    • Well everyone, I clearly need a life. Here’s a full plot synopsis, based on what we’ve been given and my own personal desires, of what I believe will happen in Avengers: Infinity War. It’ll probably need to be changed once a new trailer pops up, but for now, here you go. Also, in case some of this does come true, a quick SPOILER ALERT:

      “The film begins on a desolate planet, where Thor’s Asgardian ship has been decimated, leaving the majority of its occupants dead. Among the dead bodies, Loki and Thanos stand in front of each other. Thanos tells Loki that the latter knows why the former killed everyone, and Loki holds up the Tesseract, hoping that by giving it to Thanos his life will be spared. Thanos takes the Tesseract and it transforms into the Space Stone, placing it alongside the Power Stone. However, Thanos is shown to still hold a grudge against Loki, as he lost the Mind Stone (which Thanos had been promised would come back to him). As a result, Thanos kills Loki, but not before Loki reveals he used his power to save some of the passengers, and that they will come for Thanos.

      Meanwhile, it has been revealed that Xandar has been almost completely wiped out by Thanos and the Black Order. While the surviving Nova Corps begin rebuilding, they hire the Guardians of the Galaxy to hunt down Thanos. The Guardians arrive at some of the ruins of the ship, but they can only find Thor, floating unconscious in space. After Mantis revives him, Thor quickly allies with the Guardians and tells them Thanos had attacked them before sending some of his Black Order members to find an interdimensional gate that Thanos intends to use with the Infinity Gauntlet to enact his will on the entire world; he also gives the Guardians the locations of the other Infinity Stones, having learned of them in his cave vision. He, Rocket, and Groot set out to find the gate, while the rest of the Guardians decide to find the other Infinity Stones, beginning with going to the Collector to claim the Aether.

      On Earth, Hulk crashes into the New York Sanctum, and due to the shear force is restored to his Banner self. Dr. Strange and Wong soon find him and learn the same information. Iron Man, who has been studying these patterns since Thor told him about them before he left, also senses it and pays them a visit. As he does, a giant portal opens in Manhattan; Spider-Man senses this happen. Immediately a massive army of Kree bursts through the portal in search of the Time Stone, decimating the city and killing many of Spidey’s classmates. Before the heroes can even unite, the Black Order claims the Time Stone and temporarily freezes the city before leaving. Spidey meets up with Iron Man (who was somehow not affected) and the rest of the heroes, and they make a plan to defeat Thanos, resulting in Spidey joining the Avengers and acquiring his new suit. Wong has to stay behind to protect the Sanctums, so the group decides to recruit Vision and War Machine. However, they discover Vision has been kidnapped, so Banner and War Machine go looking for him. As a result, Iron Man, Spidey, and Strange use one of the Sanctum portals to go into space and find Thanos alone, stealing a spaceship while they’re at it.

      The kidnapper is revealed to be Scarlet Witch, who took Vision under orders from Captain America (who is now a grizzled antihero) to keep the Mind Stone safe without inevitably being captured by Iron Man. She takes Vision to Berlin for the time being, ultimately planning to take him to Wakanda. While they are there, however, they are attacked by Black Order members Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight. Scarlet Witch briefly fights a losing battle, with Vision nearly having the Mind Stone removed, but is saved by the arrival of Cap, Falcon, and Black Widow, who kill Corvus and Proxima. The five heroes go to Wakanda, where Wanda and Vision (who is disguising himself as a human) consummate.

      Meanwhile, the Guardians (Star-Lord, Gamora, Drax, and Mantis) arrive at the Collector’s place. They discover Thanos is already there, having learned of the Reality Stone’s location from interrogating the Asgardians. Thanos asks the Collector where the Aether is, but the Collector repeatedly lies it is elsewhere. Seeing Thanos, Drax jumps at him, forcing the Guardians to fight Thanos; in surprise of being ambushed, Thanos accidentally kills the Collector. Despite their struggle, Thanos is able to easily not only obtain the Aether among the Collector’s goods, but also capture Gamora, hoping to have her return to his side. Unbeknownst to Thanos, Gamora has placed a homing device on Thanos so the Guardians can locate him, eventually tracking Thanos to his homeworld, Titan. Iron Man’s group also picks up the signal, as does Nebula.

      Thor, Rocket, and Groot, meanwhile, reach the gate, but are confronted by Cull Obsidian. They end up fighting, during which time Cull reveals that Thanos not only wants to use the gate to take over Earth-199999, but the entire Multiverse. The trio eventually kill him and prepare to shut down the gate.

      Hulk and War Machine find the group in Wakanda, where they learn that Cap has taken all of the anti-accords heroes to Wakanda, and he and Black Panther, due to already having the Soul Stone prior, intend to collect all of the Infinity Stones and use them against Thanos. War Machine attempts to arrest their group regardless, while Hulk feels it will only invite challenge from Thanos. Both are forced to give it up, however, when they see that Hulk’s worries come true: Ebony Maw is leading an army of Outriders to storm the Wakandan capital and claim the Stones. Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, and Ant-Man stay behind to guard Vision, while Cap, Panther, Widow, War Machine, Hulk, Falcon, and a revived, vibranium-armed (literally) Winter Soldier lead the entire Wakandan army against the Outriders. An epic battle isn’t enough to turn the tide, however, as the Outriders use brute strength and claim the Soul Stone, ravaging the Wakandan army. Ebony Maw, meanwhile, locates Vision and ends up fighting the trio of heroes against him. They end up defeated, and Ebony Maw claims the Mind Stone and crushes Vision’s body, killing him. However, Cap comes back to the spot and fights Ebony Maw in a grueling duel. Both of them sustain heavy injuries, but Cap’s prove fatal, and he dies slowly, painfully, and alone.

      Simultaneously on Titan, the Guardians and Nebula meet with Iron Man, Spidey, and Strange, where they find Thanos waiting for them. Though they are horrified to discover he has four of the Infinity Stones, they nonetheless take him on. A long battle ensues, but none of the heroes are able to even scratch him, during which Thanos reveals that he has had human moles on Earth for years in order to fulfill his plans. All of this culminates with Thanos fatally wounding Spidey, who acted recklessly in an attempt to avenge his deceased friends, by slamming him into the ground and punching a hole through his chest. Spidey dies in Iron Man’s arms, leaving him dazed and dysfunctional. At that time, Ebony Maw returns via a personal transporter and gives Thanos the final two Stones, rendering Thanos practically omnipotent. Ebony Maw believes he will gain favor with Thanos, but instead, Thanos declares he no longer has need for his subordinates. In a fit of ego, he proceeds to “grab” the moon Iapetus and throw it directly at them. Strange uses his sling ring to take the heroes back to Earth, but Nebula stays behind and stabs Thanos in the side. Thanos quickly teleports away, leaving Ebony Maw and Nebula to be annihilated in the resulting incursion. Thanos arrives at the gate, where he reveals he can always find another one to Thor’s group, then leaves them stranded in space, their final fate unknown.

      Months pass and Thanos has taken over all of Earth-199999 without resorting to a gate. In spite of that, he’s a genuinely good ruler, his only questionable actions being exhuming the bodies of other metahumans and giving the death penalty to all (genuine) crimes. The remaining heroes have gone underground and have begun looking for Thor’s group, while Ant-Man, having learned of the Multiverse through Ebony Maw, has left to find the Pyms and gain their help. In Wakanda, Iron Man, Strange, and Star-Lord visit Cap’s grave, having managed to keep his body. Iron Man, musing how he wanted Spidey to be his successor, asks the other two how, despite other villains having had Thanos’ exact ambitions, they only lost to him. While Strange believes it is because the heroes refused to put their differences aside for the common good, Star-Lord (having learned the lesson from his fight with Ego) goes further and says that they refused their differences aside among themselves, leaving the team unable to communicate the way the Black Order could. Iron Man decides that they may never truly know why, but Strange says they will once they defeat Thanos, and the remaining Avengers begin their plot.

      In the mid-credits scene, Thanos takes Spidey’s corpse and places it among many others, while still wearing the Infinity Gauntlet.”

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    • The home video release of 'Thor Ragnarok' will have a new short called "Team Darryl".

      "Fresh off being unseated as the ruler of Sakaar, the Grandmaster makes his way to Earth to start a new life. It’s been over a year since Thor left Australia and Darryl has been struggling to pay his rent. Now Darryl needs a new roommate to help make the monthly payments. Unfortunately for Darryl, the Grandmaster was the only one who answered Darryl’s “Roommate Needed” ad and with no viable options, the Grandmaster moves in."

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    • KalKent wrote: The home video release of 'Thor Ragnarok' will have a new short called "Team Darryl".

      "Fresh off being unseated as the ruler of Sakaar, the Grandmaster makes his way to Earth to start a new life. It’s been over a year since Thor left Australia and Darryl has been struggling to pay his rent. Now Darryl needs a new roommate to help make the monthly payments. Unfortunately for Darryl, the Grandmaster was the only one who answered Darryl’s “Roommate Needed” ad and with no viable options, the Grandmaster moves in."

      It's a damn shame they haven't made Darryl canon yet. Can we make a TRN for his shorts? 'Cause it's definitely an MCU variant.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: The home video release of 'Thor Ragnarok' will have a new short called "Team Darryl".

      "Fresh off being unseated as the ruler of Sakaar, the Grandmaster makes his way to Earth to start a new life. It’s been over a year since Thor left Australia and Darryl has been struggling to pay his rent. Now Darryl needs a new roommate to help make the monthly payments. Unfortunately for Darryl, the Grandmaster was the only one who answered Darryl’s “Roommate Needed” ad and with no viable options, the Grandmaster moves in."

      It's a damn shame they haven't made Darryl canon yet. Can we make a TRN for his shorts? 'Cause it's definitely an MCU variant.

      They fall under the "semi-canon" section of Earth-199999, much like other stuff that is meant as tie-ins to the MCU, but doesn't fit into what has been established in the movies.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: The home video release of 'Thor Ragnarok' will have a new short called "Team Darryl".

      "Fresh off being unseated as the ruler of Sakaar, the Grandmaster makes his way to Earth to start a new life. It’s been over a year since Thor left Australia and Darryl has been struggling to pay his rent. Now Darryl needs a new roommate to help make the monthly payments. Unfortunately for Darryl, the Grandmaster was the only one who answered Darryl’s “Roommate Needed” ad and with no viable options, the Grandmaster moves in."

      It's a damn shame they haven't made Darryl canon yet. Can we make a TRN for his shorts? 'Cause it's definitely an MCU variant.

      They fall under the "semi-canon" section of Earth-199999, much like other stuff that is meant as tie-ins to the MCU, but doesn't fit into what has been established in the movies.

      Yeah, shouldn't that stuff be classified into TRNs? Because they clearly happen in realities similar to the MCU, but not in the MCU proper.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: The home video release of 'Thor Ragnarok' will have a new short called "Team Darryl".

      "Fresh off being unseated as the ruler of Sakaar, the Grandmaster makes his way to Earth to start a new life. It’s been over a year since Thor left Australia and Darryl has been struggling to pay his rent. Now Darryl needs a new roommate to help make the monthly payments. Unfortunately for Darryl, the Grandmaster was the only one who answered Darryl’s “Roommate Needed” ad and with no viable options, the Grandmaster moves in."

      It's a damn shame they haven't made Darryl canon yet. Can we make a TRN for his shorts? 'Cause it's definitely an MCU variant.

      They fall under the "semi-canon" section of Earth-199999, much like other stuff that is meant as tie-ins to the MCU, but doesn't fit into what has been established in the movies.

      Yeah, shouldn't that stuff be classified into TRNs? Because they clearly happen in realities similar to the MCU, but not in the MCU proper.

      From what I understand when it comes to movie tie-ins that are non-/semi-canon, they are more so considered "apocryphal", which doesn't really warrant a TRN of itself. Some tie-ins fit with the canon, while others don't down the line, so I guess it would be a pain grouping the non-/semi-canon ones into a TRN and updating it, or giving each tie-in material their own TRN.

      The only exception I can think of a tie-in that does have a TRN, are the video game tie-ins to both 'The Amazing Spider-Man' movies, but that's mainly because the developers themselves never intended it to be canonical with what happens in the movies.

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    • For context, the templates {{Adaptation}} and {{Adaptation2}} describe pages that have it as:

      "This article describes content which is adapted from other media and therefore may contain non-canonical elements which do not fit within accepted continuity."

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    • A script is apparently being penned for a planned Black Widow solo film.

      If this happens, I wonder around when it will come out during Phase 4.

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    • KalKent wrote: A script is apparently being penned for a planned Black Widow solo film.

      If this happens, I wonder around when it will come out during Phase 4.

      It's apparently been confirmed by Variety. It doesn't mean the movie's been greenlit, though. Just that it's being written. Either way, they need to hurry up and make it. Atomic Blonde and Red Sparrow are still fresh on everybody's minds, so they need to take Black Widow and run with her.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: A script is apparently being penned for a planned Black Widow solo film.

      If this happens, I wonder around when it will come out during Phase 4.

      It's apparently been confirmed by Variety. It doesn't mean the movie's been greenlit, though. Just that it's being written. Either way, they need to hurry up and make it. Atomic Blonde and Red Sparrow are still fresh on everybody's minds, so they need to take Black Widow and run with her.

      Hence why I said "apparently" and "if it happens". Will probably be a while before a final draft arrives after re-writes and such. I do wonder if it's a Black Widow, if it will be about Natasha Romanoff or a different Black Widow for the movie (depending on what happens in 'Infinity War' and 'Avengers 4', although I guess they can make it a prequel like 'Captain Marvel' kind of is).

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    • Finally the fanboys can start to chill over Black Widow. Now all we need is a Hawkeye movie...

      Anyway, two more bits of news:

      First, TMZ got a set photo of Avengers 4. While the article talks about Chris Evans, we can also see Robert Downey Jr. wearing a shirt with a SHIELD shoulder patch, Paul Rudd in a shiny new Ant-Man suit, and some other actor who appears to be wearing mocap: http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/10/avengers-captain-america-death-chris-evans-marvel/

      Second, Sebastian Stan seems to have leaked actors for Avengers 4: Michelle Pfeiffer, Samuel L. Jackson, and William Hurt (also Gwyneth Paltrow, but she had already been confirmed). Wikipedia also says Jeff Goldblum, but I couldn't find him in the source. http://torontosun.com/entertainment/movies/avengers-infinity-war-actor-sebastian-stan-said-filming-was-like-riding-a-psychotic-horse-through-a-burning-stable

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    • In movie news that probably has something to do with the MCU or maybe I just don't have anywhere else to talk about it:

      Holy **** New Mutants got pushed back almost a year.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: In movie news that probably has something to do with the MCU or maybe I just don't have anywhere else to talk about it:

      Holy **** New Mutants got pushed back almost a year.

      That likely means it'll get scrapped before the FOX/Disney deal goes through. Good. Here's hoping Dark Phoenix gets the same treatment.

      In better news, Deadpool's been moved up to two weeks after Infinity War. Looks like FOX is getting cocky now that they have nothing to lose.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: In movie news that probably has something to do with the MCU or maybe I just don't have anywhere else to talk about it:

      Holy **** New Mutants got pushed back almost a year.

      That likely means it'll get scrapped before the FOX/Disney deal goes through. Good. Here's hoping Dark Phoenix gets the same treatment.

      In better news, Deadpool's been moved up to two weeks after Infinity War. Looks like FOX is getting cocky now that they have nothing to lose.

      Who knows, maybe they're going for hasty reshoots and ADR to scrub any connection to mutants and the X-Men out of it. If it doesn't then it's like a dead franchise walking.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: In movie news that probably has something to do with the MCU or maybe I just don't have anywhere else to talk about it:

      Holy **** New Mutants got pushed back almost a year.

      Mixed feelings there. On one hand, it creates more breathing room for the other countless Marvel movies coming out this year. On the other, this is either the product of the Disney deal or the need for massive rewrites, which isn't a good sign for the movie.

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    • Apparently the delay was to make the movie "scarier", which means probably both good news and bad news.

      Good news is that they realize how generic the horror actually looked (based on the trailer). Although it could mean they want to add way more generic horror into it.

      Bad news is that they realize they need to do this just 3 months before the movie was originally planned to come out. So if they need 10 more months, then how much are they planning to additionally shoot? Or are they going to change a lot of the movie from how it was originally planned (a la 'Justice League' post Snyder's exit and during Whedon's reshoots).

      I don't know what's worse. Doing extensive unplanned reshoots right before it comes out, or moving up a movie's release date by a ridiculous amount right before it's supposed to come out to. Although with 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' soon coming out, I wouldn't mind if that movie did the latter.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      On one hand, it creates more breathing room for the other countless Marvel movies coming out this year.

      That was my main relief. "Phew! Only one Fox Marvel-movie that I have to dread this year."

      With 'New Mutants' moved, the first half of this year is looking damn solid for superhero-movies.

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    • Ten months just to make the movie scarier? Oh please...

      As for Solo, I'm kind of concerned. Not that it will be bad, but that it will be swamped by the release of Infinity War three weeks earlier, or vice versa. Considering we don't have any advertising for the movie yet, it's probably best to bump that movie back a few months.

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    • 'Gambit' moving up is understandable since their planned director just dropped out, but it already looks bad since the movie has been in development hell ever since 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' (which considering it's going to be R-rated, it seems like they're just trying to repeat 'Deadpool's success). I believe the main reason they decided to move 'Deadpool 2' back earlier, was to compensate moving 'The New Mutants' up so much, in a vain attempt at insinuating "See!? We know what we are doing!"

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      On one hand, it creates more breathing room for the other countless Marvel movies coming out this year.

      That was my main relief. "Phew! Only one Fox Marvel-movie that I have to dread this year."

      With 'New Mutants' moved, the first half of this year is looking damn solid for superhero-movies.

      Dark Phoenix?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      On one hand, it creates more breathing room for the other countless Marvel movies coming out this year.

      That was my main relief. "Phew! Only one Fox Marvel-movie that I have to dread this year."

      With 'New Mutants' moved, the first half of this year is looking damn solid for superhero-movies.

      Dark Phoenix?

      Yes, obviously. Although even though I'm excited for 'Deadpool 2', since it's a sequel to a great movie it could go either way.

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    • Josh Brolin's looking forward to the month of May this year probably

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    • The first image of Eddie Brock in the Venom movie has been released, along with promotion from Ruben Fleischer and Tom Hardy. Seeing it based on two of the most well-regarded Venom comics - and Fleischer's comment on accuracy - sounds somewhat promising, but Spidey is pretty pivotal in those stories, so...

      http://collider.com/venom-movie-image-tom-hardy/

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    • Cool, but I was kind of hoping to see her wings.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Cool, but I was kind of hoping to see her wings.

      Unless I'm wrong regarding what happens in the comics, I'm pretty sure we won't see that until she's small. She essentially replaces Ant-thony from the first movie as a means of transporting Scott through the air.

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    • Looks pretty good. I'm guessing the first trailer (or an Infinity War trailer) will come out for Black Panther.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Cool, but I was kind of hoping to see her wings.

      Unless I'm wrong regarding what happens in the comics, I'm pretty sure we won't see that until she's small. She essentially replaces Ant-thony from the first movie as a means of transporting Scott through the air.

      Man, I'd like to ride Hope...

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    • Since it will have Michelle Pfeifer as Janet, presumably being in the Microverse, will we see her fighting Lord Gouzar possibly?

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Cool, but I was kind of hoping to see her wings.

      Unless I'm wrong regarding what happens in the comics, I'm pretty sure we won't see that until she's small. She essentially replaces Ant-thony from the first movie as a means of transporting Scott through the air.

      The wings were at full-size in Ant-Man's post-credits scene.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Cool, but I was kind of hoping to see her wings.

      Unless I'm wrong regarding what happens in the comics, I'm pretty sure we won't see that until she's small. She essentially replaces Ant-thony from the first movie as a means of transporting Scott through the air.

      The wings were at full-size in Ant-Man's post-credits scene.

      I remember that, but it wasn't in an active state at that point.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      Cool, but I was kind of hoping to see her wings.

      Unless I'm wrong regarding what happens in the comics, I'm pretty sure we won't see that until she's small. She essentially replaces Ant-thony from the first movie as a means of transporting Scott through the air.

      Man, I'd like to ride Hope...

      Haha that's what she said...

      I'm sorry, I had to.

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    • Holy crap we're only like 3 weeks away from Black Panther

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    • And I still can't pre-order tickets for it from my theatre chain.

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    • I spoke too soon. Now I finally can. Hopefully another Funko figure to add to my collection. Just worried what the trivia question might end up being.

      I'll be seeing it on the 14th.

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    • Two new things:

      • From the Oscar nominations, Black Panther just got some bigger credentials than it already had. In addition to Daniel Kaluuya getting nominated for Best Actor for Get Out (which, frankly, I don't think should have gone to him - just saying), Rachel Morrison became the first woman in history to be nominated for Best Cinematography (though Roger Deakins better win), and both of them are working on Black Panther. Additionally, Guardians Vol. 2 was nominated for Best Visual Effects, which is awesome though I might have given that one to Ragnarok and then had Guardians and Homecoming go for other technical categories. Outside the MCU, Logan became the first comic book movie nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay - which isn't Best Supporting Actor for Patrick Stewart dammit!
      • In some shocking news, Josh Boone has said that New Mutants is apparently going for the hardest PG-13 rating imaginable, not R as we previously thought. That's not necessarily a bad thing - there have been plenty of PG-13 horror films - but you can't help but wonder if Disney is pulling some strings here. I really hope not, since that would mean compromising the original vision.
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    • New trailer for 'Ant-Man and the Wasp', a bit earlier than I expected honestly.

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    • Looks pretty good, but not as ambitious as I'd hoped it would be. I'm also surprised they released a trailer this early, figuring they would do it for the Super Bowl, but then again Marvel probably wants to capitalize on the films coming sooner than later.

      Speaking of which, Black Panther just premiered last night at Dolby Theatre, and the first reactions are beyond through the roof. Now THAT is NOT surprising.

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    • To be fair, it's kinda hard getting blown away by a trailer for that movie, since we have both 'Black Panther' and 'Infinity War' to look forward to before then. I bet after the latter has released and building up to the movie, they will pull out the big guns for 'Ant-Man and the Wasp'.

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    • Yeah they might just do an Infinity War thing for the Super Bowl, either an old thing, a new trailer (hopefully), or a "new thing" that's just made up of clips from old things. I'm glad they released the Ant-Man 2 trailer on top of Black Panther's release, Marvel's just throwing another awesome movie at us right away.

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    • Marvel Studios are in a pretty safe place now. With 'New Mutants' moving to 2019, the only other superhero movie they have to worry about this first half of the year is 'Deadpool 2'. For when the second half comes around, they only have to worry about properly advertising and marketing both 'Captain Marvel' (which will be just as big as, if not bigger than, 'Black Panther', and will be hyped if 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' succeeds), 'Avengers 4', and possibly even 'Homecoming 2' (depending on when that finishes filming) for the next year.

      The second half in terms of superhero movies ('Teen Titans Go! To The Movies', 'Venom', 'X-Men: Dark Phoenix', 'Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse', and 'Aquaman'), people won't be as excited for as compared to the first half (although I'm still interested in seeing how 'Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse' turns out).

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    • I actually quite liked this trailer. Not as much as the Panther ones, but surprisingly more than the Infinity War one.

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    • The new poster is exactly what it needed to be.

      Ant-Man and the Wasp (film) poster 001
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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: I actually quite liked this trailer. Not as much as the Panther ones, but surprisingly more than the Infinity War one.

      Main reason the trailer didn't excite me as much as the ones for 'Black Panther' and 'Infinity War', is mainly because it's for a sequel to a movie I was kinda lukewarm on. Though I still found it to be cool, and interested in seeing how they will handle it in the final product.

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    • @KalKent Yeah I know, I just expected to see a few more setpieces. Right now the action seems to only take place in one city, and there doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade from what the first film gave us. I would have like more Microverse and Bill Foster aside from two one-second cameos each. But at least we can all appreciate suitcase buildings, Hello Kitty Pez, and flipping cars with other cars. ;)

      As for the content itself, this trailer DID leave me very curious as to what the plot will be. Apparently it takes place between Civil War and Infinity War, but we have Scott casually standing around his house and being with Cassie while the FBI search his house, so he is not that big of a fugitive now?

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    • Not sure if this will actually happen, and if it does it doesn't mean it will affect the film branch, but it did get me thinking:

      "Sony Entertainment Reportedly May Be Up For Sale"

      When we were talking about Disney buying up Fox, Annabellerice mentioned how the X-Men and FF rights are "non-transferable". Which would mean that even if a different company were to buy Fox, the rights would then automatically revert back to Marvel. And I wonder if that is also the case with the Spider-Man rights that Sony owns or not.

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    • If the X-Men and F4 have that non-transferable deal, I have no doubt in my mind that Marvel's flagship character would have that and many more safeguards. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for SONY getting bought out.

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    • If Sony got bought out, that would be domination to the absolute max. I would prefer Disney only bought the Spider-Man and Men in Black rights, and have another company purchase everything else. I mean come on - Fox AND Sony? That would give Disney over 40% of the film industry market share!

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: If Sony got bought out, that would be domination to the absolute max. I would prefer Disney only bought the Spider-Man and Men in Black rights, and have another company purchase everything else. I mean come on - Fox AND Sony? That would give Disney over 40% of the film industry market share!

      It's not specified who is as of yet interested in buying Sony Entertainment, but possibly and hopefully it's not Disney again. Even if the deal with Fox falls through, other big companies like Comcast could do it instead, resulting in Disney getting the X-Men and FF rights (and hopefully also the original cuts of the Star Wars trilogy). So whoever buys it, Marvel fans win either way.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: If Sony got bought out, that would be domination to the absolute max. I would prefer Disney only bought the Spider-Man and Men in Black rights, and have another company purchase everything else. I mean come on - Fox AND Sony? That would give Disney over 40% of the film industry market share!

      It's definitely not Disney. If it was, then either they'd have to choose one deal or lose them both. Disney's not that dumb. But if SONY is bought by anybody else, Disney gets Spider-Man back completely.

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    • Here's the Super Bowl commercial for anyone who missed it:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVxOVlm_lE8

      Not much to talk about here, but:

      • Scarlet Witch appears to be doing something with the Mind Stone. Probably figuring out why it wasn't in her "How to Lose Your Virginity" manual.
      • As I suspected, Thor, Rocket, and Groot seem to separate from the rest of the Guardians.
      • Spidey can be seen wearing his regular costume while on the giant ring thing as it zooms into space. I'm guessing Stark will throw him the new suit here, because otherwise he's going to freeze to death up there.
      • The place Cap, Widow, and Vision are in appears to be the Avengers New York Facility. Also, Vision's left arm appears to be obscured or something.
      • Cap's new shields look pretty cool. I wonder if he can stab people with that tip.
      • Forget the surprise that Tony's suit seems to materialize onto him - WHAT'S WITH THE GLASSES?
      • Speaking of Stark, did he mess up Strange's spell casting just there?
      • A lot of people think that the scratch marks on Thanos' face are a homage to Wolverine. Which would be pretty cool.
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    • My guess is that Strange is using some spell to shield from something or hold something down, while Stark swoops in to attack it.

      Thanos' scratches seem a bit of a stretch, but I guess it can be part of a backstory of a harsh life he has gone through.

      I thought for a teaser it was satisfying. New footage shown briefly, while not spoiling too much. But also not being lazy just re-using footage we've already seen before.

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    • Comcast may outbid Disney on buying Fox.

      As long as the X-Men and FF rights are non-transferable, I don't care who ends up buying Fox.

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    • KalKent wrote: Comcast may outbid Disney on buying Fox.

      As long as the X-Men and FF rights are non-transferable, I don't care who ends up buying Fox.

      I don't know, I need to see Hank Hill in Kingdom Hearts 3.

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    • KalKent wrote: Comcast may outbid Disney on buying Fox.

      As long as the X-Men and FF rights are non-transferable, I don't care who ends up buying Fox.

      If anyone buys Fox, it better not be Comcast. Such a purchase would make them twice as big as Disney - their "biggest competitor" - in the mass media market.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Comcast may outbid Disney on buying Fox.

      As long as the X-Men and FF rights are non-transferable, I don't care who ends up buying Fox.

      I don't know, I need to see Hank Hill in Kingdom Hearts 3.

      Or in the Marvel universe in general.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Comcast may outbid Disney on buying Fox.

      As long as the X-Men and FF rights are non-transferable, I don't care who ends up buying Fox.

      If anyone buys Fox, it better not be Comcast. Such a purchase would make them twice as big as Disney - their "biggest competitor" - in the mass media market.

      I'm not saying it would be better, but Fox getting bought out might be inevitable. I'm not really familiar if Comcast has as much into movies, tv and such, as Disney already has.

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    • Comcast bought NBCUniversal in 2012, making them the biggest media conglomerate in the entire world. In numbers, they make over $80 billion a year, while Disney makes about $55 billion, and Fox makes around $27 billion. So by simple math, Comcast buying Fox would make them almost twice as big as Disney, while Disney buying Fox will make them slightly smaller than Comcast (the number won't be the simple addition of $84 billion, as TV is often the most lucrative business and Fox is retaining a good portion of it). There may be a dominance in the film market, but people have to realize there's a lot more at stake here than just movies.

      As for Black Panther, hot damn those reviews are good (though they'll probably go down). Given that it's supposed to be the most Ryan Coogler film yet, I wouldn't be surprised (though a tad saddened) if it ends up being the year's best reviewed superhero movie instead of Infinity War. One thing I hope doesn't happen, though, is a Wonder Woman situation, where people judge a movie more by what it does for cast and crew members that aren't white males rather than judging the movie - as a movie. Like, as a minority myself I fully support more representation, but don't use a good movie as some kind of statement, because then it's put on a pedestal it might not necessarily deserve. That ultimately led Wonder Woman - a pretty good movie, mind you - to be incredibly overpraised in my honest opinion (THE highest-rated superhero movie of all of Rotten Tomatoes? Come on!), and I've been fearful of similar movies such as Black Panther and Captain Marvel falling victim to this.

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    • I think Wonder Woman was overpraised also because it was finally a good DCEU movie in a string of bad ones. From what I've seen of Black Panther praise, with it being part of a solid line of MCU movies, is that it does things differently compared to the previous ones. It remains to be seen for me how I think of it, but I'm not going into with any too high of expectations.

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    • KalKent wrote: I think Wonder Woman was overpraised also because it was finally a good DCEU movie in a string of bad ones.

      This. It was the first good DCEU movie, and on top of that it was the first high-budget female-led superhero movie, and the first at all since like Elektra way back when.

      It had a lot riding on it. And while Black Panther also has a lot riding on it, the majority of the 17 movies before it have been massive successes and his predecessor as a high-profile black superhero is Blade, also Marvel and also successful, so he has a lot more cushioning to fall back on if the movie isn't all that good (which thankfully does not seem to be the case at all, it sounds phenomenal).

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    • Teaser trailer for Venom released: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dzxFdtWmjto

      Eh... I don’t know... I guess Michelle Williams is surprisingly more attractive with long hair? Yeah, there’s still not enough for me to make any assumptions.

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    • Went in with low expectations, still came out underwhelmed. Much like with the trailer for 'The New Mutants', it looks generic and nothing stands out for it to look like what it's supposedly based on.

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    • Also, Marvel revealed their 10th anniversary photo for the MCU, which features over 79 actors and crew members. I’m not even going to try to name all of them (plus, I’m doing this from my phone), but if you want to give it a shot, here you go:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GjwjzIFcX7U

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    • Marvel are at this point dunking on and kicking their competitors while they're down. Especially by releasing it on the same day as the 'Venom' trailer (though that might be coincidental).

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    • Here is a full list BTW.:

      "Front row left to right: Sean Gunn (Kraglin), Hannah John-Kamen (Ghost), Director Scott Derrickson, Executive Producer Trinh Tran, Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye), Paul Rudd (Ant-Man), EVP, Physical Production Victoria Alonso, Zoe Saldana (Gamora), Angela Bassett (Ramonda), Director/Actor Jon Favreau (Happy Hogan), Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Gwyneth Paltrow (Pepper Potts), Chris Evans (Captain America), Robert Downey Jr. (Iron Man), Executive Producer/Writer Stan Lee, President of Marvel Studios Kevin Feige, Scarlett Johansson (Black Widow), Co-President of Marvel Studios Louis D’Esposito, Kurt Russell (Ego), Danai Gurira (Okoye), William Hurt (Thaddeus Ross), Director Alan Taylor, Karen Gillan (Nebula), Executive Producer Brad Winderbaum, Emily VanCamp (Sharon Carter), Director Louis Letterier

      Second row left to right: Director Jon Watts, Casting Director Sarah Finn, Tessa Thompson (Valkyrie), VP, Physical Production David Grant, Don Cheadle (War Machine), Tom Holland (Spider-Man), Director James Gunn, Dave Bautista (Drax), Michael Peña (Luis), Anthony Mackie (Falcon), Evangeline Lilly (Wasp), Director Joe Russo, Director Anthony Russo, Chris Pratt (Star-Lord), Chadwick Boseman (Black Panther), Benedict Cumberbatch (Doctor Strange), Elizabeth Olsen (Scarlet Witch), Director Joss Whedon, Paul Bettany (Vision), VP, Physical Production Mitchell Bell, Frank Grillo (Crossbones), Director Anna Boden, Director Ryan Fleck, Letitia Wright (Shuri), Editor Jeffrey Ford

      Third row left to right: Director Peyton Reed, Laurence Fishburne (Dr. Bill Foster), Linda Cardellini (Laura Barton), Executive Producer Jonathan Schwartz, Sebastian Stan (Winter Soldier), Ty Simpkins (Harley Keener), Mark Ruffalo (Hulk), Brie Larson (Captain Marvel), Michael Douglas (Hank Pym), Executive Producer Stephen Broussard, Director Ryan Coogler, Michelle Pfeiffer (Janet van Dyne), Executive Producer Jeremy Latcham, Hayley Atwell (Peggy Carter), Pom Klementieff (Mantis), Executive Producer Nate Moore, Benedict Wong (Wong)

      Fourth row left to right: Screenwriter Christopher Markus, Screenwriter Stephen McFeely, Michael Rooker (Yondu), Vin Diesel (Groot), Cobie Smulders (Maria Hill), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Director Taika Waititi, Jeff Goldblum (Grandmaster), Executive Producer Erik Carroll, Head of Visual Development Ryan Meinerding, Executive Producer/Screenwriter Craig Kyle"

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    • This Venom movie already had an uphill battle in front of it and this teaser trailer does it no favors.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: This Venom movie already had an uphill battle in front of it and this teaser trailer does it no favors.

      Which makes me laugh at people who say "Give it a chance! It's only the first trailer! They can do better in future ones! They couldn't have shown much more in the first trailer!" Since in terms of superhero movies, the first trailers of recent and future ones have been pretty impressive in different ways, even the Fox and DC ones. Sony needs to do better, and they should be held to those standards if they want to be taken seriously.

      And with people complaining that they don't show Tom Hardy as Venom in the trailer, there are three possibilities as to why. One is that Sony are incompetent and don't know how to sell a movie through the trailers. Two is maybe that the effects for Venom aren't finished (since the movie only recently finished filming). Or possibly three is that it is finished but looks really bad and they don't want to show it in case it turns people off.

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    • Or there isn't a lot of Venom in the Venom movie and it's mostly Tom Hardy walking around while cool Venom stuff mostly happens offscreen.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Or there isn't a lot of Venom in the Venom movie and it's mostly Tom Hardy walking around while cool Venom stuff mostly happens offscreen.

      That too, or the symbiote does give him powers but don't change his appearance at all. Either way, it would make one wonder what makes it a Venom movie.

      I remembering hearing someone say "If you don't have Spider-Man as part of the origin of your Venom movie, then you basically just have a movie about a killer tar baby running around, making it generic."

      Which makes me pretty certain that if one were to remove the Marvel logo and the title, and one went in blind not knowing for what movie the trailer is advertising, one wouldn't know from the trailer that it's about Venom.

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    • So, who would be missing in the photo? From what I can tell based on directors, writers, and popular actors, there's:

      Clark Gregg, Jeff Bridges, Terrence Howard, Edward Norton, Liv Tyler, Tim Roth, Tim Blake Nelson, Ty Burrell, Avi Arad, Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell, Kenneth Branagh, Jaimie Alexander, Zachary Levi, Natalie Portman, Stellan Skarsgard, Kat Dennings, Ray Stevenson, Tadanobu Asano, Joe Johnston, Tommy Lee Jones, Hugo Weaving, Toby Jones, Tom Hiddleston, Alexis Denisof, Shane Black, Ben Kingsley, Guy Pearce, Christopher Eccleston, Christopher Yost, Rene Russo, Anthony Hopkins, Maximiliano Hernandez, Robert Redford, Nicole Perlman, Djimou Hounsou, Lee Pace, Bradley Cooper, Seth Green, James Spader, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Thomas Kretschmann, Andy Serkis, Corey Stoll, John Slattery, Daniel Bruhl, Marisa Tomei, Chiwetel Eijolor, Tilda Swinton, Mads Mikkelsen, Rachel McAdams, Elizabeth Debicki, Chris Sullivan, Jacob Batolon, Zendaya, Laura Harrier, Michael Keaton, Michael B. Jordan, Forest Whitaker, Lupita N'yongo, Martin Freeman, and Josh Brolin.

      Still though, that's an incredibly impressive photo shoot. I'm surprised they even got people like Joss Whedon and Louis Leterrier in there.

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    • Clark Gregg wasn't there simply because he couldn't make it.

      I do get annoyed at fans of the shows who look at that image and say "Apparently the shows aren't really in the MCU now!" Ignoring the fact the shoot was for Marvel Studios, and the people behind the movies. Would be cool in the future they could do a bigger one including cast and crew from the shows.

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    • KalKent wrote: Clark Gregg wasn't there simply because he couldn't make it.

      I do get annoyed at fans of the shows who look at that image and say "Apparently the shows aren't really in the MCU now!" Ignoring the fact the shoot was for Marvel Studios, and the people behind the movies. Would be cool in the future they could do a bigger one including cast and crew from the shows.

      Huh, sad to know that's why Clark wasn't there, but oh well. I was perfectly aware this was just for movies though, so I only focused on those; despite that, Cobie Smulders and Hayley Atwell are in there, so their argument doesn't have weight.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Clark Gregg wasn't there simply because he couldn't make it.

      I do get annoyed at fans of the shows who look at that image and say "Apparently the shows aren't really in the MCU now!" Ignoring the fact the shoot was for Marvel Studios, and the people behind the movies. Would be cool in the future they could do a bigger one including cast and crew from the shows.

      Huh, sad to know that's why Clark wasn't there, but oh well. I was perfectly aware this was just for movies though, so I only focused on those; despite that, Cobie Smulders and Hayley Atwell are in there, so their argument doesn't have weight.

      Well they originated in the movies so that makes sense.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Clark Gregg wasn't there simply because he couldn't make it.

      I do get annoyed at fans of the shows who look at that image and say "Apparently the shows aren't really in the MCU now!" Ignoring the fact the shoot was for Marvel Studios, and the people behind the movies. Would be cool in the future they could do a bigger one including cast and crew from the shows.

      Huh, sad to know that's why Clark wasn't there, but oh well. I was perfectly aware this was just for movies though, so I only focused on those; despite that, Cobie Smulders and Hayley Atwell are in there, so their argument doesn't have weight.

      Well they originated in the movies so that makes sense.

      So did Coulson, but much like him, Peggy got her own show.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Clark Gregg wasn't there simply because he couldn't make it.

      I do get annoyed at fans of the shows who look at that image and say "Apparently the shows aren't really in the MCU now!" Ignoring the fact the shoot was for Marvel Studios, and the people behind the movies. Would be cool in the future they could do a bigger one including cast and crew from the shows.

      Huh, sad to know that's why Clark wasn't there, but oh well. I was perfectly aware this was just for movies though, so I only focused on those; despite that, Cobie Smulders and Hayley Atwell are in there, so their argument doesn't have weight.

      There are also a bunch of other actors who aren't there (Tom Hiddleston, for example).

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    • I know; I listed all the prominent ones from the movies I could find.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: I know; I listed all the prominent ones from the movies I could find.

      What I mean is, it's weird for people to single out Clark Gregg's absence when there are so many other Marvel alumni missing from the photo.

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    • I'm not surprised Edward Norton, Terrence Howard, and Zachary Levi didn't show up. Levi because he's currently busy filming as the title character in DC's upcoming movie 'Shazam', and Norton and Howard because they were recast after one movie. If I had known I have missed out on being in more movies that are part of a multi-billion dollar franchise, simply because I demanded too much, I would try to forget about it.

      Howard because of the paycheck he demanded for reprising his role in 'Iron Man 2', and Norton because of that and the control he demanded to have in 'The Incredible Hulk'.

      Speaking of the latter movie, add Liv Tyler, Tim Roth, Tim Blake Nelson, and Ty Burrell to the list of actors who didn't attend. Which is funny because even Louis Leterrier and William Hurt were present, although the latter was most recently in 'Captain America: Civil War'.

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    • The new Fantastic Four movie isn't in the MCU, is it?

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    • Captainjackster wrote: The new Fantastic Four movie isn't in the MCU, is it?

      It's not (thankfully), since it was made by Fox. It's in Earth-TRN554.

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    • Ah, ok, tanks. I haven't seen it, but from what I've herd, it's not really worth it.

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    • KalKent wrote: I'm not surprised Edward Norton, Terrence Howard, and Zachary Levi didn't show up. Levi because he's currently busy filming as the title character in DC's upcoming movie 'Shazam', and Norton and Howard because they were recast after one movie. If I had known I have missed out on being in more movies that are part of a multi-billion dollar franchise, simply because I demanded too much, I would try to forget about it.

      Howard because of the paycheck he demanded for reprising his role in 'Iron Man 2', and Norton because of that and the control he demanded to have in 'The Incredible Hulk'.

      Speaking of the latter movie, add Liv Tyler, Tim Roth, Tim Blake Nelson, and Ty Burrell to the list of actors who didn't attend. Which is funny because even Louis Leterrier and William Hurt were present, although the latter was most recently in 'Captain America: Civil War'.

      Oh crap, forgot about them. I'll put them in.

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    • I just watched the behind the scenes video of that shoot, and one thing that stuck out to me was Kevin Feige saying "Here's to 10 more years!"

      I know that is a common saying for any anniversary, but it's kinda true what he's saying. Or at least for 8 more years since he have said they have at least 20 more movies planned, which assuming they will release 3 per year, the 20th will come out in 2026.

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    • KalKent wrote: I just watched the behind the scenes video of that shoot, and one thing that stuck out to me was Kevin Feige saying "Here's to 10 more years!"

      I know that is a common saying for any anniversary, but it's kinda true what he's saying. Or at least for 8 more years since he have said they have at least 20 more movies planned, which assuming they will release 3 per year, the 20th will come out in 2026.

      I think he said around the time of the Phase 3 announcement that they have movies planned through 2028. So we're set for 10 more years, even before adding in the FOX properties. And judging by Black Widow, previously unconsidered movies can be greenlit at any point, but also judging by Inhumans, any movie can also be punted down to the TV side as well.

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    • So after seeing the Infinity War Super Bowl commercial again during the Olympic Opening Ceremony, I noticed two more things, both from the shot of Cap, Widow, and Vision:

      • This has been stated elsewhere, but Vision appears to not have the Mind Stone in his forehead in this shot, yet is clearly alive. My guess is, if he gets the Mind Stone removed, given that he also runs on Mjolnir electricity, having the stone removed won't kill him but instead depower him to some extent.
      • In addition to those three, there's also a fourth figure behind Cap. wearing a cape and a shirt with red, yellow, and blue colors. Wait. Red, yellow, and blue... Red on top, blue on bottom... and are separated by a yellow border... Are you guys thinking who I'm thinking?
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    • Yes. It's the Scarlet Witch.

      On some clickbait sites pointing this out, some of them turned up the contrast to make it look as if it's Carol Danvers behind them in her suit. And if what one sees is supposed to be the star that's on the chest of the Captain Marvel suit, that's a pretty strange shape for a star. And that Brie Larson may be shorter than we originally thought.

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    • KalKent wrote: Yes. It's the Scarlet Witch.

      Frickin' thank you. I'm so tired of people thinking it's Carol.

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    • Ah okay, I see it now. Just the way the light reflected off her hair, it appeared yellow, so I thought it was the gold line that comes from the star and separates the red and blue parts. Oh well. It's not like we won't see her tag along soon.

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    • It's bullcrap like that that makes me avoid fan theories. Not just because they are sometimes dumb in how they reach their conclusions, but also that they are meaningless. If they are false, then I've wasted my time. If they are true, I've spoiled myself before I've even consumed said product. The worst is when people have these fan theories, go into said product expecting their theories to be true, and then trash it when it doesn't.

      I remember seeing one video shared on the Discord channel, where a video claimed that in the recent Super Bowl teaser for 'Infinity War', one can see Peter with his Iron Spider suit have the Venom symbiote attached to it, when he's in the ship with Tony and Strange. And the only proof they go by, is that there is a shadow cast on Peter, that kinda looks like a symbiote (if one has bad eye-sight).

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    • It's just her jacket that can be seen behind Cap I believe, some sites have altered the image to make it seem otherwise. I hate that, glad y'all know what's actually what.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Ah okay, I see it now. Just the way the light reflected off her hair, it appeared yellow, so I thought it was the gold line that comes from the star and separates the red and blue parts. Oh well. It's not like we won't see her tag along soon.

      Speaking of which, I don't think we've discussed the Captain Marvel suit that was seen in set photos and stirred up quite some controversy. IIRC, the reason why it's turquoise, silver, and navy blue instead of red, gold, and... navy blue, is because that is supposed to be a nod to a Kree suit she wore prior to her main suit, right?

      Yeah, I don't get what people are complaining about with the colours. It's obvious they are planning to have her in the Red&Blue one later. Perhaps it's something she inherits from Mar-Vell, along with the title of Captain Marvel.

      With Carol being in 'Infinity War', one of the Russos has already confirmed that she won't be in it. And it's frankly the smartest idea. Doing a similar thing like they did with Doctor Strange, where the character has their own movie, and the next thing the audience sees them in is in a different movie.

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    • For the record, I wasn't going off of fan theories. I just need to view these things more carefully. No need to get all riled up; it's honestly kind of offensive.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: For the record, I wasn't going off of fan theories. I just need to view these things more carefully. No need to get all riled up; it's honestly kind of offensive.

      I apologize. I wasn't aiming it at you. It's one of those things I get generally annoyed about other people doing.

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    • Apology accepted.

      On the topic though, I don't think we've discussed the Captain Marvel suit that was seen in set photos and stirred up quite some controversy. IIRC, the reason why it's turquoise, silver, and navy blue instead of red, gold, and... navy blue, is because that is supposed to be a nod to a Kree suit she wore prior to her main suit, right?

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    • That's what I've heard. It does bring into question what the movie is about. Obviously she gets the powers from the Kree (maybe from Mar-Vell specifically), and they maybe use her and similarly powered individuals to track down the Kree who are hiding on earth. So the colour of her suit she gets first is relevant to rank or something.

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    • I'm not sure if this has happened before, but I noticed on the page Black Panther (film), there are too many posters to be fit under the main one.

      And I just realized with 'Infinity War' coming up, that Avengers: Infinity War will most likely have that same problem, assuming they will release posters for each important character who will appear in it. Both heroes, supporting characters, and villains.

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    • Going through the reviews and recently-released full plot synopsis (which I won't link, don't worry), here's what to expect from Black Panther without going into spoiler territory. People love the representation of colored people in this movie, but in a different way: they actually love how it flips expectations of the world's perception of Africa, and uses Wakanda as an allegory for the world. On that note, people seem to really love the themes of this movie, which are about anti-isolationism. People also are giving high praises to the performances of Letitia Wright and Michael B. Jordan, the latter of whom happens to avoid Marvel's "villain problem". There's also a lot of praise given to the worldbuilding in the movie. There are three negative reviews thus far on Rotten Tomatoes, but they all highlight one thing: there's a much greater focus on dialogue than action in this movie, and when there is action, it's not as well choreographed as we have come to expect (thanks, Russos). However, others have been giving these people flak for not understanding the purpose of the film, and there are 117 positive reviews, so I'm just going to see the movie and make up my mind from there.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      I'm not sure if this has happened before, but I noticed on the page Black Panther (film), there are too many posters to be fit under the main one.

      And I just realized with 'Infinity War' coming up, that Avengers: Infinity War will most likely have that same problem, assuming they will release posters for each important character who will appear in it. Both heroes, supporting characters, and villains.

      It has always been an awkward way to display the poster images. I've proposed using gallery sub-pages before. Maybe it's time to consider that again.

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      Going through the reviews and recently-released full plot synopsis (which I won't link, don't worry), here's what to expect from Black Panther without going into spoiler territory. People love the representation of colored people in this movie, but in a different way: they actually love how it flips expectations of the world's perception of Africa, and uses Wakanda as an allegory for the world. On that note, people seem to really love the themes of this movie, which are about anti-isolationism. People also are giving high praises to the performances of Letitia Wright and Michael B. Jordan, the latter of whom happens to avoid Marvel's "villain problem". There's also a lot of praise given to the worldbuilding in the movie. There are three negative reviews thus far on Rotten Tomatoes, but they all highlight one thing: there's a much greater focus on dialogue than action in this movie, and when there is action, it's not as well choreographed as we have come to expect (thanks, Russos). However, others have been giving these people flak for not understanding the purpose of the film, and there are 117 positive reviews, so I'm just going to see the movie and make up my mind from there.

      I liked it. I suppose I had built up an expectation based on previous MCU movies, and perhaps a little from the trailer, but Black Panther still managed to defy my expectations. :) I get what the reviewers might be saying about the dialogue-driven aspects of the story - some of it plays like a political thriller more than the MCU content we've come to expect, and some feels a bit like a James Bond movie.

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    • Just came back from seeing Black Panther. Unlike other people I didn't go into it with high expectations, but even if I did the movie would've managed to exceed even those.

      A good mix action and thriller, with a good dose of humour sprinkled over it every now and then.

      Definitely in my top 5, over both Iron Man 1, Winter Soldier, and both Avengers movies, but not yet sure where to it compared to Civil War.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Just came back from seeing Black Panther. Unlike other people I didn't go into it with high expectations, but even if I did the movie would've managed to exceed even those.

      A good mix action and thriller, with a good dose of humour sprinkled over it every now and then.

      Definitely in my top 5, over both Iron Man 1, Winter Soldier, and both Avengers movies, but not yet sure where to it compared to Civil War.

      Having just watched Fruitvale Station in preparation and loving the heck out of it, as well as the huge aggregate scores, I'm going in with pretty high expectations. Not to mention you just put it over my top three MCU movies, even if we disagree on some of them (Age of Ultron in the Top 5? Really? I even knocked Civil War off of my Top 5).

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Just came back from seeing Black Panther. Unlike other people I didn't go into it with high expectations, but even if I did the movie would've managed to exceed even those.

      A good mix action and thriller, with a good dose of humour sprinkled over it every now and then.

      Definitely in my top 5, over both Iron Man 1, Winter Soldier, and both Avengers movies, but not yet sure where to it compared to Civil War.

      Having just watched Fruitvale Station in preparation and loving the heck out of it, as well as the huge aggregate scores, I'm going in with pretty high expectations. Not to mention you just put it over my top three MCU movies, even if we disagree on some of them (Age of Ultron in the Top 5? Really? I even knocked Civil War off of my Top 5).

      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it. But I don't judge others for what their favourites are that may be considered unpopular. There are certain movies that are people's favourites, which a lot of people agree on, that I wouldn't consider one of my favourites (like 'Guardians 1').

      With so many of these movies so far, it's not like with DC movies, where one only has a choice between a handful of generally accepted good ones. With more movies that have properties to them that make them unique to separate them, people will have different reasons to like each of them.

      I don't expect my list of favourites to be definitive. If 'Black Panther' doesn't become one of your favourites, let alone your favourite, then I won't be surprised or judge you for it.

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    • KalKent wrote:
      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it.

      Because it's not as good as the first one. That's the source of it all.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it.

      Because it's not as good as the first one. That's the source of it all.

      Matter of opinion.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it.

      Because it's not as good as the first one. That's the source of it all.

      Matter of opinion.

      You liked AoU more than the first Avengers? Fair enough, but it is a minority opinion.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it.

      Because it's not as good as the first one. That's the source of it all.

      Matter of opinion.

      You liked AoU more than the first Avengers? Fair enough, but it is a minority opinion.

      Doesn't make it any less legitimate.

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    • Sorry if it came off as me making your opinion look invalid. I was trying to say that you putting it in your Top 5 naturally made me even more excited, and then used Age of Ultron to show I still have some convincing to do.

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it.

      Because it's not as good as the first one. That's the source of it all.

      Well for me, there are legit reasons as to why it's inferior. Just my opinion, but I mostly felt the film was unbalanced tonally and is the biggest example of the MCU pulling a Sony and trying to juggle more than it could (even though Civil War proved they could juggle even more). On a more minor level, Ultron was trying too hard to be menacing to the point where he came off as edgy ("Upon this rock I will build my church" - I mean, I know Whedon's an atheist but no need to be so on-the-nose), and the color grading was a bit off, something that carried over into Ant-Man. Avengers may be my favorite movie, but I don't hate this movie because it wasn't better than the first (let alone hate it at all). That said, if Infinity War doesn't beat out every single other movie in the franchise on my list, I'm going to be kinda sad.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it.

      Because it's not as good as the first one. That's the source of it all.

      Matter of opinion.

      You liked AoU more than the first Avengers? Fair enough, but it is a minority opinion.

      Doesn't make it any less legitimate.

      But it does mean it won't be represented in the conversation surrounding it. Most people liked AoU less than the first one, so the conversation naturally gravitates towards the things it did wrong.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Sorry if it came off as me making your opinion look invalid. I was trying to say that you putting it in your Top 5 naturally made me even more excited, and then used Age of Ultron to show I still have some convincing to do.

      Well if you want some context, I don't go into most of these movies expecting any of them to break it into the top 5. And in most cases they don't, but that's usually because the ones that are already in it I've seen more than once. I still need to get around to rewatching 'GotG Vol. 2', 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', and 'Thor: Ragnarok' to see if they've earned a place in it or not.

      Before 'Black Panther', my 5th spot wasn't even solidified. It was still a toss-up between 'Iron Man 1' and 'Doctor Strange' (both of which I've seen more than once), but ended up with 'Iron Man 1' for that spot. So don't take it that my top 5 is infallible and not subject to change. I'm still in the process of rewatching the MCU movies to prep for 'Infinity War'.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      I still don't understand why AoU is such an unpopular choice for a pick among favourites, let alone the problems people have with it.

      Because it's not as good as the first one. That's the source of it all.

      Matter of opinion.

      You liked AoU more than the first Avengers? Fair enough, but it is a minority opinion.

      Doesn't make it any less legitimate.

      But it does mean it won't be represented in the conversation surrounding it. Most people liked AoU less than the first one, so the conversation naturally gravitates towards the things it did wrong.

      I have no problem with that. It wouldn't dissuade me from bringing it up in conversations with others, as long as said people are willing to hear my reasons for it, the same way I'm open to hearing theirs.

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    • I originally wanted to kick off this thread again with 'Black Panther' discussions, but since most people on here haven't been able to see it yet for one reason or another, I kinda jumped the gun on that one.

      Since most of us aren't looking forward to Sony's 'Venom' movie, take pleasure in knowing it could've been a lot worse. They've could've bought all of the Marvel movie rights back in 1998.

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    • Eh - that story doesn't surprise me. Ron Perelman did a pretty crappy job overall. Perlmutter, please don't take notes - I suspect you have, but still.

      But if there's one thing good the Venom movie gave us, it's the 1:16 meme. Admit it.

      KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Sorry if it came off as me making your opinion look invalid. I was trying to say that you putting it in your Top 5 naturally made me even more excited, and then used Age of Ultron to show I still have some convincing to do.

      Well if you want some context, I don't go into most of these movies expecting any of them to break it into the top 5. And in most cases they don't, but that's usually because the ones that are already in it I've seen more than once. I still need to get around to rewatching 'GotG Vol. 2', 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', and 'Thor: Ragnarok' to see if they've earned a place in it or not.

      Before 'Black Panther', my 5th spot wasn't even solidified. It was still a toss-up between 'Iron Man 1' and 'Doctor Strange' (both of which I've seen more than once), but ended up with 'Iron Man 1' for that spot. So don't take it that my top 5 is infallible and not subject to change. I'm still in the process of rewatching the MCU movies to prep for 'Infinity War'.

      Usually, if I see the critical scores are really high, I make some preparations to put it in my Top 5. I made my list after seeing Doctor Strange, and since then both Homecoming and Ragnarok have made moves on that position, with Homecoming actually getting #5. As of now, Black Panther is with those two, but I at least hope it doesn't break the Top 4, because those movies are superhero film landmarks. Infinity War, however, is one that I hope goes all the way, because, well, Infinity War (and if not that, maybe Avengers 4).

      I can understand people would judge a movie differently based on personal preferences, but I leave those at the door with the list. Basically, I see the terms "favorite" and "best" as two separate things. "Favorite" is when my personal preferences come into play, like what causes the biggest nerdgasms and what I most fondly remember, and "Best" is when I look strictly at the fundamentals, like good story and characters. I only see reason in arguing about it when it involves "Best", not "Favorite", since what makes others' boxes tick and what make mine tick are totally different, but everyone knows what makes a good film. Also, I need to do some rewatching as well.

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    • KalKent wrote: Since most of us aren't looking forward to Sony's 'Venom' movie, take pleasure in knowing it could've been a lot worse. They've could've bought all of the Marvel movie rights back in 1998.

      Not gonna lie, the MCU is amazing, but I kinda want to see that timeline (someone call any and all Reed Richards that exist in Earth-1218, please) just to see how it'd work with every single character under one roof without a single restriction. It'd probably just be constant reboots of Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Fantastic Four and X-Men, though.

      At least now with the MCU "scraping the bottom of the barrel" we have all the Defenders' series, the Runaways, the Guardians, the Avengers, and the MCU-exclusive Agents of SHIELD. So I'm thankful. Though I'm kinda scared for when we do get the FOX characters back. I don't need the same five X-Men in every single movie.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Since most of us aren't looking forward to Sony's 'Venom' movie, take pleasure in knowing it could've been a lot worse. They've could've bought all of the Marvel movie rights back in 1998.

      Not gonna lie, the MCU is amazing, but I kinda want to see that timeline (someone call any and all Reed Richards that exist in Earth-1218, please) just to see how it'd work with every single character under one roof without a single restriction. It'd probably just be constant reboots of Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Fantastic Four and X-Men, though.

      At least now with the MCU "scraping the bottom of the barrel" we have all the Defenders' series, the Runaways, the Guardians, the Avengers, and the MCU-exclusive Agents of SHIELD. So I'm thankful. Though I'm kinda scared for when we do get the FOX characters back. I don't need the same five X-Men in every single movie.

      The article I linked did mention how even if Sony bought Spider-Man along with the Marvel universe for their movies, Fox would've still owned the X-Men and FF rights. So if it had happened, I could see fans of the comics seeing it as "pick your poison".

      James Gunn admitted that if Marvel started out with the MCU already owning Spider-Man and the X-Men, then they wouldn't probably have done anything relating to Guardians (maybe way later). But if they start doing their own X-Men movies, with how they've worked out what works, I hope they won't do the same thing as Fox did (same characters each movie with a few new introductions, and Magneto as the main villain).

      And with "scraping the barrel", I think they've earned that at this point, since I don't see it as "they're running out of ideas", but rather seeing the potential of expanding it to characters and teams not considered before.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: I can understand people would judge a movie differently based on personal preferences, but I leave those at the door with the list. Basically, I see the terms "favorite" and "best" as two separate things. "Favorite" is when my personal preferences come into play, like what causes the biggest nerdgasms and what I most fondly remember, and "Best" is when I look strictly at the fundamentals, like good story and characters. I only see reason in arguing about it when it involves "Best", not "Favorite", since what makes others' boxes tick and what make mine tick are totally different, but everyone knows what makes a good film. Also, I need to do some rewatching as well.

      I don't really subscribe to the idea of "favourite" or "best". Either one likes it or one doesn't.

      Even stuff that is considered the best or worst in how it's made, like direction, writing etc., ends up being subjective. One movie may be considered badly made by one person, a different person may see that same movie as being avant-garde and brilliant. Like I follow some reviewers who have acknowledged a movie being well made but they still hated it.

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    • I highly doubt they'll put all the heroes together in one movie. Given that it's Marvel Studios, more likely they'll play the waiting game again, like they did in Phase 1. I just hope it works out, but I would prefer the mutants be in a separate universe before they ultimately crossover with Earth-199999.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: I highly doubt they'll put all the heroes together in one movie. Given that it's Marvel Studios, more likely they'll play the waiting game again, like they did in Phase 1. I just hope it works out, but I would prefer the mutants be in a separate universe before they ultimately crossover with Earth-199999.

      I agree. And it's not simply because they introduced Inhumans in the shows. Even if they never introduced Inhumans, or assuming the shows aren't canon, mutants don't have the established history that make the fear against them work. And also regarding older mutants like Wolverine, Apocalypse, Mister Sinister and Magneto.

      They can establish them in a separate universe, and for an AvX event, do an incursion-style event with the MCU to where they can interact.

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    • Everyone keeps suggesting this "mutants live in a pocket dimension until they don't" idea and I'm seriously so sick of it. It's unimaginative, unoriginal and completely uninspired. This is the MCU. If anyone can integrate mutants faithfully and successfully, it's them.

      Having them in their own pocket dimension, then hurling them abruptly into the MCU is pretty much the same exact thing as introducing them into the MCU *abruptly as if they've always been a part of that universe too, so I genuinely do not understand the appeal at all.

      Edit: Added some words for clarity.

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    • Them being in a pocket dimension wouldn't make sense, as the way pocket dimensions have been defined in Ant-Man and Doctor Strange would make it weird if anything were living there. What we're thinking of is have them be in an alternate universe within the Multiverse, like in X-Men: DOFP, where the Wolverine of Earth-10005 interacted with characters of Earth-TRN414. It also doesn't have to involve the worlds merging together a la an incursion; it could just be an interdimensional crossover where both universes remain separate but still be impacted by the crossover.

      There are two big reasons why this is preferable. First off, it allows for a greater deal of freedom within the series. You can do much more with an all-new set of rules in a different universe, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Multiverse concept is fully explained after Avengers 4 because of that, regardless of the Fox deal. In short, having a Marvel Cinematic Multiverse means greater creative freedom and, effectively, greater longevity for the franchise. Second, there's a special quality to knowing that mutants have existed for years. Mutants are often called an allegory to other minority groups, such as colored people and homosexual individuals. This goes without saying, but these kinds of people have existed for eons, yet it's only been relatively recent that we've truly decided to deal with them, and even more recent that we've finally decided to accept them. This kind of change is something that made mutants so groundbreaking, since they helped to symbolize that change. Mutates don't have that kind of history to them, as they get their powers well into their life and can be dealt with individually. But mutants are born with their powers; it truly makes them who they are not just as characters, but as people. I know it sounds complicated, but in short, just having mutants randomly pop up in Earth-199999 will, IMO, remove a great part of their character. I mean, what would make them any different from mutates if, say, the government wanted to create more Captain Americas or the Phoenix Force exploded and had its fragments scattered all over the world?

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: What we're thinking of is have them be in an alternate universe within the Multiverse, like in X-Men: DOFP, where the Wolverine of Earth-10005 interacted with characters of Earth-TRN414. It also doesn't have to involve the worlds merging together a la an incursion; it could just be an interdimensional crossover where both universes remain separate but still be impacted by the crossover.

      Literally the same thing I pointed out. And even more ridiculous when laid out in explicit detail.

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    • I have no doubt Feige & co. would find an effective way to introduce mutants into the already established world. The idea of establishing them in a separate reality is something I've heard from people who are fans of the X-Men comics, and also fans of the MCU, and is seen as the safe choice.

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    • Black Panther has just finished its first weekend out in theaters, and excuse my French, but holy [poop]. Both critically and financially these numbers didn't just blow away everyone's expectations, like It did - they set them on fire, chopped them into tiny pieces, and THEN blew them away. The film just grossed $201 million in opening weekend, the fifth-highest of all-time and the second-highest in the MCU (after The Avengers); it's easily going to be the highest-grossing solo superhero movie ever, and might even surpass Age of Ultron. It also holds a 97% from over 300 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes and an 88 on Metacritic, and if it keeps those up, it will be the highest-ranking superhero movie of all time on both of those sites. I have yet to see it (planning to on Saturday), but Jesus Christ, I wasn't expecting such big numbers. Infinity War has got some pretty big shoes to follow up on - is a phrase I thought I would never say within the next three months.

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    • And keep in mind that domestically, it made more money in 4 days ($242,155,680), than DC's 'Justice League' has so far in 91 days/13 weeks/~4 months ($228,616,472).

      It just goes to show that name recognition is sometimes not enough anymore. It requires establishing good faith with the audience, and also consistency, with the products one puts out. Which on DC's side, makes me curious as to how both 'Aquaman' and 'Shazam' turns out.

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    • KalKent wrote: Which on DC's side, makes me curious as to how both 'Aquaman' and 'Shazam' turns out.

      In terms of critical reviews, I'm actually kinda optimistic. Mainly because, for the former, James Wan's films have been increasingly better-received as time has gone on, and for the latter, they seem to be going for that MCU director-choosing vibe of "this guy doesn't do this kind of movie, but he's with us on the vision so let's do it". Financially, Aquaman should do fairly well, but I think Shazam might struggle a bit more just because he's no longer the world's most popular superhero - or even a popular one in general, which has been the case for decades (sure, Guardians was in a similar position, but by then the Marvel brand was too recognizable - it was a risk for them then, it isn't any longer).

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Which on DC's side, makes me curious as to how both 'Aquaman' and 'Shazam' turns out.

      In terms of critical reviews, I'm actually kinda optimistic. Mainly because, for the former, James Wan's films have been increasingly better-received as time has gone on, and for the latter, they seem to be going for that MCU director-choosing vibe of "this guy doesn't do this kind of movie, but he's with us on the vision so let's do it". Financially, Aquaman should do fairly well, but I think Shazam might struggle a bit more just because he's no longer the world's most popular superhero - or even a popular one in general, which has been the case for decades (sure, Guardians was in a similar position, but by then the Marvel brand was too recognizable - it was a risk for them then, it isn't any longer).

      In terms of how the movie turns out, I think both are on the same level. 'Aquamam' in maybe in how 'Justice League' turned out it may have left a bad taste in people's mouths, though of course that didn't seem to hinder 'Wonder Woman' in how 'BvS' turned out.

      I personally have more faith in 'Shazam' because it seems to be starting on a clean slate, with it having essentially no established connection to anything Justice League (although with Shazam's powers, it may still be connected to the Greek pantheon of gods established in both 'Wonder Woman' and 'Justice League'). So it doesn't have the taint associated with it (other than being DCEU), and creatively not chained down. Though it may end up being a case like 'Doctor Strange', where it's for the most part stand-alone, but still references to things already established in the world, while not having the plot rely on anything heavily.

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    • On the topic of Marvel dunking on DC, 'Black Panther' has now already reached ~$700 million worldwide in less than 2 weeks, which again is more than 'Justice League' did in 4 months.

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    • KalKent wrote: On the topic of Marvel dunking on DC, 'Black Panther' has now already reached ~$700 million worldwide in less than 2 weeks, which again is more than 'Justice League' did in 4 months.

      Well, damn. Step up your game, DC. Seriously. Wonder Woman can't be the only good movie you guys put out. Someone give Ezra Miller a Flash movie and keep all the DCEU darkness out of it. He seemed so cute and funny from all the trailers.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: On the topic of Marvel dunking on DC, 'Black Panther' has now already reached ~$700 million worldwide in less than 2 weeks, which again is more than 'Justice League' did in 4 months.

      Well, damn. Step up your game, DC. Seriously. Wonder Woman can't be the only good movie you guys put out. Someone give Ezra Miller a Flash movie and keep all the DCEU darkness out of it. He seemed so cute and funny from all the trailers.

      With these numbers coming from 'Black Panther', it makes one wonder if WB won't fire people over this, then what will?

      With the Flash movie being called 'Flashpoint', it seems that it's their own version 'Days of Future Past', trying to do a soft reboot. Though it kinda sucks that they are deciding to do it with the very first live-action movie of the Flash, just to fix their own mistakes.

      And supposedly 'Aquaman' is apparently testing great with test audiences, but I tend to be skeptical of those kind of reports, since apparently so did their previous movies. And even if it is good, I'm betting with the bad trust established and bad taste left on people's mouths, it might not do that well financially. And it's not like with Marvel, where they can release a movie about B- or C-list characters and expect it to do well. 'Guardians of the Galaxy' was thought by many to be Marvel's first flop, but it ended up doing surprisingly well thanks to Marvel building up trust with their previous movies.

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    • Doctor Minerva seems like an odd pick for a potential villain, unless they're doing to her what they did with Baron Mordo. Can't wait for them to get to casting the Skrulls.

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    • Sort of on the topic of MCU, but I love the wiki's new infinity stones background. Props to whoever did that!

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Doctor Minerva seems like an odd pick for a potential villain, unless they're doing to her what they did with Baron Mordo. Can't wait for them to get to casting the Skrulls.

      They might also have Captain Atlas in the movie, who might be who Ben Mendelsohn is playing.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Doctor Minerva seems like an odd pick for a potential villain, unless they're doing to her what they did with Baron Mordo. Can't wait for them to get to casting the Skrulls.

      They might also have Captain Atlas in the movie, who might be who Ben Mendelsohn is playing.

      He might be a Skrull. I think it's a little strange that the Skrulls were revealed as the movie's main antagonists at SDCC yet the casting so far seems more focused on the Kree.

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    • Infinity War's US premiere moved up a week to coincide with its worldwide debut.

      They probably also want another week before Deadpool 2 and Solo come out.

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    • Well that came out of nowhere. During a Twitter convo with RDJ, 'Avengers: Infinity War' has moved its release earlier to April 27th.

      While obviously intended to hype people up more, more realistically it's to give some breathing room to Disney & LucasFilm's 'Solo: A Star Wars Story', and to not compete too much with 'Deadpool 2'.

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    • I am EFFING deceased. I censored myself just for you guys. But trust me, I'm swearing up a storm in joy at this news. I'm so SHOOK, is Daisy behind me?

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    • Wow. This is the first time since, like, 2006, that a Marvel film has not been released on the first Friday of May. Even when the MCU took a break other Marvel films filled the void (Spider-Man 3, Origins Wolverine, TASM2, etc.). But yeah, definitely more breathing room for Solo, which regardless probably isn't going to hit the billion dollar mark considering that Infinity War will probably beat every other Star Wars film (even TFA) and Deadpool 2 will probably crack a billion itself, not to mention the heavy under-promotion.

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    • And in the heels of that, 6 new dates for future Marvel films for the years 2021 and 2022 (3 each), along with a new date for the movie in August 7, 2020, changed to July 31, 2020.

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    • KalKent wrote: And in the heels of that, 6 new dates for future Marvel films for the years 2021 and 2022 (3 each), along with a new date for the movie in August 7, 2020, changed to July 31, 2020.

      OH MY GOD, MCU FANTASTIC FOUR IS COMING BOOKMARK ME.

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    • Entertainment Weekly just released a whole slew of Infinity War photos and covers. I don't have time to go full-blown analysis on everything, but the big things:

      • Interesting character pairings, for one. Wonder if those are (all) what we will see in the film, since we already know some of them are happening.
      • That Bleeding Edge Armor has some big ass wings.
      • Apparently, in this movie Bucky will be taking up the identity of White Wolf, held by T'Challa's adoptive brother Hunter in the comics. This hints that Bucky's future in the MCU may have to do with Black Panther and not him becoming Cap as we previously thought.
      • Rhodey clearly still needs robot legs to walk, but he does at least seem to be used to them by now, and him being vocally anti-Cap's side in Civil War seems to have subsided enough.
      • Shuri can be seen meeting with Scarlet Witch and Bruce Banner. Sounds pretty MENTAL to me amirite?...
      • Spidey on the side of the bus from the trailer is interesting. There's no way some kid other than Ned doesn't look out the window and notice that his/her classmate is Spider-Man - and proceed to spread the word. EW also reveals here that the giant ring things we've seen are called Q-Ships.
      • Loki is again only shown in this one scene, further implying (to me at least) that he ain't going to be in any other scenes in this movie - aka he dead.
      • And I saved the best for last: Alleluia, we finally get to see Thanos grab that damn moon from the SDCC trailer! And you heard it from me first - the battle with him takes place on Titan, just like I predicted.

      http://ew.com/movies/avengers-infinity-war-exclusive-photos/avengers-infinity-war

      http://screencrush.com/avengers-infinity-war-ew-covers/

      EDIT: Also, now that I think about it, this comes out around the same time that the famous second trailer for Civil War came out. Could it be that after trailers for Mary Poppins Returns and Christopher Robin we're getting...?

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    • Huh, been a while since anyone's posted here. Just a few new things.

      • Rumors are now circulating that Infinity War is going to be 156 minutes long, making it the longest MCU film. At this point, though, I just want a second trailer. Please?
      • Apparently Black Panther is getting some (very) early Oscar buzz, thanks in part to Get Out. And I'm ABOUT TO GO SEE IT WHOOOOOOOOOOO!
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    • With 'Black Panther' already breaking a billion worldwide, it will be interesting to see how both that and 'Infinity War' will do financially this year, specifically when compared to other movies. Obviously 'Infinity War' will make more money than 'Black Panther' in some form, but I can't really think of what movie could potentially challenge both of them financially (other than some Disney ones 'Mary Poppins Returns' and 'Incredibles 2', and potentially also 'Jurassic World 2'). The only other times when a Marvel movie was the highest-grossing movie of their year, was 2012 with 'Avengers 1' and 2015 with 'Captain America: Civil War'.

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    • Well world, I’ve finally seen Black Panther. And I LOVED it. This is easily the best Phase 3 movie for me, and #4 on my MCU list. Seriously, go see it.

      KalKent wrote: With 'Black Panther' already breaking a billion worldwide, it will be interesting to see how both that and 'Infinity War' will do financially this year, specifically when compared to other movies. Obviously 'Infinity War' will make more money than 'Black Panther' in some form, but I can't really think of what movie could potentially challenge both of them financially (other than some Disney ones 'Mary Poppins Returns' and 'Incredibles 2', and potentially also 'Jurassic World 2'). The only other times when a Marvel movie was the highest-grossing movie of their year, was 2012 with 'Avengers 1' and 2016 with 'Captain America: Civil War'.

      Marvel has 2018 in the bag. And they really should have won 2013 also (*sigh* Frozen...). They weren’t going to win the other years though: 2014 was too experimental, and 2015 and 2017 were main series Star Wars years. As for which MCU film, I’m hoping Infinity War at least beats The Force Awakens overall, but given its track record I wouldn’t be surprised if Black Panther ends up beating it.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      • Rumors are now circulating that Infinity War is going to be 156 minutes long

      The distributors are being really secretive about the running time. I got data on it in recent days, along with the memo that it's confidential until tickets go on sale. It's a nuisance when they do things like this - it only serves to add another eye-roller to the list of weird email requests.

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    • Get hype everyone - new Infinity War trailer comes out tomorrow!

      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP1iRaFlS5EYjJBryFV9JPw/community?lb=Ugy2qz11LbFLYS1XdhF4AaABCQ

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: With 'Black Panther' already breaking a billion worldwide, it will be interesting to see how both that and 'Infinity War' will do financially this year, specifically when compared to other movies. Obviously 'Infinity War' will make more money than 'Black Panther' in some form, but I can't really think of what movie could potentially challenge both of them financially (other than some Disney ones 'Mary Poppins Returns' and 'Incredibles 2', and potentially also 'Jurassic World 2'). The only other times when a Marvel movie was the highest-grossing movie of their year, was 2012 with 'Avengers 1' and 2016 with 'Captain America: Civil War'.

      Marvel has 2018 in the bag. And they really should have won 2013 also (*sigh* Frozen...). They weren’t going to win the other years though: 2014 was too experimental, and 2015 and 2017 were main series Star Wars years. As for which MCU film, I’m hoping Infinity War at least beats The Force Awakens overall, but given its track record I wouldn’t be surprised if Black Panther ends up beating it.

      'Black Panther' making more than 'Force Awakens' did, or more than 'Infinity War' eventually will? I don't see it doing that for either of them.

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    • I meant that I'm hoping Infinity War eclipses both TFA and Black Panther, but I wouldn't be surprised if Black Panther eclipses Infinity War (not TFA); it should be the former, but given that Black Panther has been such a hit and Age of Ultron and Civil War didn't do as well as Avengers 1, the latter option is always a possibility. As for DeWanda Wise, that might be due to her Spike Lee show getting another season on Netflix; a shame, but at least it's nothing controversial.

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    • They did specify that yes it was because of the Netflix show she stars in.

      With 'Infinity War', I think don't think one can really compare it to the other MCU movies that has made 1 billion before, since unlike 'Age of Ultron' and 'Civil War', this one is more an movie version of a comic event than just a simple team-up and crossover movie. And I don't see both movies to be "disappointments" when they came out, simply because they didn't make as much as 'Avengers 1', since it makes sense why that one has made the most, because there was nothing like it before.

      And unlike the other billion dollar movies, this one has had a lot of build up to it and is a culmination of many stories, and is being sold to everyone, and not just Marvel fans and those who have seen all of the previous movies. Like there is a reason why Wakanda is featured heavily and sold in it, to make the people who only saw 'Black Panther' because of its cultural significance see that one as well. Or by selling it to people who only like a couple of characters from, or only saw some of the movies before (like Spider-Man and the Guardians).

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    • Speaking of which, Heck. YES!

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    • KalKent wrote: Speaking of which, Heck. YES!

      I like how they're continuing the theme of "characters making fun of Strange's name"

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    • Huh. I dunno. I'm not digging this trailer as much as the previous two (not counting the Super Bowl commercial). The reveals were nice and all, but I just didn't get the sheer level of excitement that I did from the other ones. I highly doubt the movie will be like that, though - it'll be balls-to-the-wall, edge-of-the-seat excitement throughout. Also, is it just me, or does the new variation of the Avengers theme sound like the music from Man of Steel's fourth trailer?

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    • Also worth noting the new poster includes Peter Dinklage and Idris Elba in the cast list:

      Avengers Infinity War poster 002

      Are Korg and Miek going to be in this, too?

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    • Since Korg is an all CG character, if Taika Waititi isn't listed as an actor, it may be an uncredited role like a cameo (like the one character in the post-credit scene in 'Black Panther' recently), or maybe he does appear but doesn't have any lines.

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    • One thing I do find funny about the poster (other than the re-used pose for Hulk from the Marvel Stud10s poster), is how hidden away Wong is in the top right. Which wouldn't be so bad, but they did that with Vision as well, kinda giving a false image of the importance of the role for that character in the movie.

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    • On the topic of a different movie, Lashana Lynch will replace DeWanda Wise's role in 'Captain Marvel'. Good to know they found a replacement this soon.

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    • KalKent wrote: On the topic of a different movie, Lashana Lynch will replace DeWanda Wise's role in 'Captain Marvel'. Good to know they found a replacement this soon.

      I have no idea who she is.

      Then again, I don't know who DeWanda Wise is, either, so cool I guess.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: On the topic of a different movie, Lashana Lynch will replace DeWanda Wise's role in 'Captain Marvel'. Good to know they found a replacement this soon.

      I have no idea who she is.

      Then again, I don't know who DeWanda Wise is, either, so cool I guess.

      I did know who DeWanda Wise was when they originally cast her, but only because they immediately mentioned how she stars in the Netflix show 'She's Gotta Have It', which I've only heard about in passing, mainly because it's by Spike Lee. Which does remind me that I need to make use of my Netflix subscription more for things other than just Marvel and 'Black Mirror'.

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    • So, what do you guys think about this?:

      http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/la-en-mn-oscars-best-picture-2019-story.html

      Personally, I feel the Academy is trying to make more of an effort to nominate at least one "unrealistic" movie a year ever since Gravity got nominated, as seen with Gravity, Interstellar (though that didn't get nominated for Best Picture), The Martian, Mad Max Fury Road, Arrival, and of course, Get Out and The Shape of Water. I'm personally of the mindset that superhero movies need to go above and beyond in being good films if they are to deserve nominations in the quote-unquote "prestigious" categories (Picture, Director, both Screenplays, and all four Acting). Although Winter Soldier and Logan came close, I feel that only The Dark Knight has been worthy of consideration in like, forever. The same goes for Black Panther, which I feel only deserves technical nominations (something superhero movies genuinely are lacking, especially last year), such as Costume Design, Cinematography, and Production Design. That said, if it manages to be the only MCU movie to win in any category, and gets nominated in a lot of others, I could see it maybe getting to that Best Picture nomination the comic fanbase desperately pines for.

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    • I don't feel superhero movies have any real need for having Oscars in order to be seen as having value according to others. What Grammies are to music, is what I feel the Oscars are starting to become to movies, as in kinda useless. Since in the same way there are great artists and albums that didn't win a Grammy but are still well remembered to this day; there are movies, actors and directors that are well remembered despite never winning an Oscar (or even nominated for one to begin with).

      And just because a movie happens to have an Oscar attached as an accolade, when compared to others that were nominated for that same category, that doesn't mean it deserved it. Not only with the old joke of "'Crash' didn't deserve to win best picture", but also recently with DC's 'Suicide Squad' winning best make-up over 'Star Trek Beyond'.

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    • Meanwhile, DC's 'Justice League' just ended its run, and made less than 'Doctor Strange'.

      With 'Black Panther' though, this makes me wonder how soon we will see a sequel (which Feige has confirmed will happen, hopefully with Coogler back at the helm), perhaps as early as 2 years from now in one of the 2020 slots.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Meanwhile, DC's 'Justice League' just ended its run, and made less than 'Doctor Strange'.

      With 'Black Panther' though, this makes me wonder how soon we will see a sequel (which Feige has confirmed will happen, hopefully with Coogler back at the helm), perhaps as early as 2 years from now in one of the 2020 slots.

      I want to say 2021. James Gunn has already said the next Guardians of the Galaxy is slated for 2020, I can't see them going 5+ years between Doctor Strange movies (especially given the focus Strange appears to have in Infinity War), and there's always at least one new franchise per year.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      Meanwhile, DC's 'Justice League' just ended its run, and made less than 'Doctor Strange'.

      With 'Black Panther' though, this makes me wonder how soon we will see a sequel (which Feige has confirmed will happen, hopefully with Coogler back at the helm), perhaps as early as 2 years from now in one of the 2020 slots.

      I want to say 2021. James Gunn has already said the next Guardians of the Galaxy is slated for 2020, I can't see them going 5+ years between Doctor Strange movies (especially given the focus Strange appears to have in Infinity War), and there's always at least one new franchise per year.

      According to Cumberbatch, there hasn't been anything brought up to him regarding 'Doctor Strange 2', although I take that as meaning it obviously will happen, presumably because it's part of his contract deal for a certain amount of movies. And judging by Derrickson's tweets, they seem to imply that he either has been, or is planning on, working on a script with his co-writers (presumably when he's done doing his work on the 'Locke & Key' show for Hulu).

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    • WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

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    • KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

      The main thing I require from Coulson's appearance, is to have him wear the moustache that he mentioned once having in the past in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.', which I feel like Gregg would be someone who will point that out.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

      The main thing I require from Coulson's appearance, is to have him wear the moustache that he mentioned once having in the past in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.', which I feel like Gregg would be someone who will point that out.

      The reverse-Cavill, as it's known.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

      The main thing I require from Coulson's appearance, is to have him wear the moustache that he mentioned once having in the past in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.', which I feel like Gregg would be someone who will point that out.

      The reverse-Cavill, as it's known.

      Have Gregg grow one out for the movie, and whenever he has to play present day Coulson on the show (assuming it gets renewed), have them digitally remove it and show how they can do it better on a TV budget, than what WB/DC managed to do on a $300 million budget.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

      The main thing I require from Coulson's appearance, is to have him wear the moustache that he mentioned once having in the past in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.', which I feel like Gregg would be someone who will point that out.

      I just need 90's May rocking some bangs.[1]

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

      The main thing I require from Coulson's appearance, is to have him wear the moustache that he mentioned once having in the past in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.', which I feel like Gregg would be someone who will point that out.

      I just need 90's May rocking some bangs.[1]

      I need 90's May rocking some buns.[2]

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

      The main thing I require from Coulson's appearance, is to have him wear the moustache that he mentioned once having in the past in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.', which I feel like Gregg would be someone who will point that out.

      I just need 90's May rocking some bangs.[1]

      I need 90's May rocking some buns.[2]

      Totally forgot she was in that movie (thought to be fair, a better Chun-Li than Kristin Kreuk). Both her and Djimon Hounsou must have either the Super Soldier serum or Kree blood injected into them, or are just plain vampires, since neither of them seem to age at all.

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    • Speaking of which, I'm actually pretty excited that both Ronan and Korath will appear, mainly because they will hopefully make them actually interesting this time and not boring, unlike in 'Guardians of the Galaxy 1'. Maybe we get to see Korath before being a cyborg, and perhaps an explanation as to why unlike other Kree he's not blue.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      WOW! More cast members announced for 'Captain Marvel', including Clark Gregg, Lee Pace, and Djimon Hounsou.

      Me right now

      The main thing I require from Coulson's appearance, is to have him wear the moustache that he mentioned once having in the past in 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.', which I feel like Gregg would be someone who will point that out.

      I just need 90's May rocking some bangs.[1]

      I need 90's May rocking some buns.[2]

      I'm fine with that, as long as May gets called Mulan at some point by a racist agent whose butt she proceeds to kick. I need my "Ming-Na is Mulan" reference at some point in the MCU, please.

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    • Since in 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier', Fury mentioned how "Last time I trusted someone, I lost my eye!" Since we know he will appear in 'Captain Marvel' with both his eyes, and the person he trusted will presumably turn out to be a Skrull, the obvious guess is that it was a Skrull version of Coulson.

      Perhaps with Coulson having a moustache, that's how the Skrull gets outed as one. Fury tells Coulson to shave it off because he looks ridiculous in one, Coulson promises to do so, but next time they meet he still has it, and that's when it's a Skrull in Coulson's place.

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    • Meanwhile, while we have something to get excited about, here is something for us to laugh at: Release dates have been pushed back not only for 'The New Mutants' (again) but also for 'X-Men: Dark Phoenix', for 2019 release dates.

      This at least means that there will only be 1 non-MCU Marvel movie to dread this year, rather than 2.

      EDIT: And I just realized, with both movies moving from 2018 to 2019 at this point, there are now a total of 4 slots for Fox Marvel movies for that year. The 4th one being November 22, which they might have to make 'Gambit' take that slot if their search for a director will take longer than expected, or just remove it.

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    • "Fans of the comic book franchise will have to sit tight as that one [Dark Phoenix] will now open on February 14, 2019."

      I guess because Black Panther and Deadpool show a movie can be a hit in the middle of February.

      "Originally slated for a February 22, 2019 release date, the pic will now debut on August 2, 2019."

      Holy **** they've now pushed this thing back more than a year from the original release date.

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    • Apparently, both movies got delayed because they are undergoing reshoots. Almost every movie goes through reshoots of some kind before they are officially released, even the MCU ones to an extent, but it's a pretty bad sign when said reshoots require the movies to be delayed.

      For the two I mentioned, 'Dark Phoenix' due to scheduling conflicts with the actors and to change due to reactions from test screenings, and 'The New Mutants' because Fox wants it to be scarier and to add 2 new characters to the plot (therefore reshooting 50% of the movie apparently) (according to Collider).

      It makes one wonder, especially with 'The New Mutants', what their movies were like before the decision that they had to be get delayed and undergo reshoots?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: "Fans of the comic book franchise will have to sit tight as that one [Dark Phoenix] will now open on February 14, 2019."

      I guess because Black Panther and Deadpool show a movie can be a hit in the middle of February.

      They are essentially cheating by putting it on the 14th of February, since that's on a Thursday, therefore making its debut over a 4-day weekend, rather than a 3-day one. (Interesting to note is that other than 'Deadpool 1' and 'X-Men: The Last Stand', none of the X-Men movies has debuted with a +$100 million opening weekend.)

      LoveWaffle wrote: "Originally slated for a February 22, 2019 release date, the pic will now debut on August 2, 2019."

      Holy **** they've now pushed this thing back more than a year from the original release date.

      And they originally delayed it just a few months before it was meant to be released, with promos for it like the trailer and posters for it already released. I can't really think of other blockbuster movies like it that has done that before.

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    • A running theory is that they got delayed so that if the merger goes through (which could be December 2018 at its earliest), both those movies will be scrapped altogether.

      I'm hoping to God its true.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: A running theory is that they got delayed so that if the merger goes through (which could be December 2018 at its earliest), both those movies will be scrapped altogether.

      I'm hoping to God its true.

      I personally hope it happens as well (along with other planned movies like Channing Tatum's 'Gambit', James Franco's 'Multiple Man', Brian Michael Bendis' 'Shadowcat', Noah Hawley's 'Doctor Doom', Brian K. Vaughan's 'Silver Surfer', and the planned trilogies for Simon Kinberg's X-Men movies starting with 'Dark Phoenix' and Josh Boone's movies starting with 'The New Mutants'), but I wouldn't count on it.

      I've also heard the main reason they keep delaying instead of just shelving them, is to keep their stocks as high as possible until the acquisition happens. Since apparently making it seem like they are still happening, is better than just openly canning them. And I bet Kinberg, Boone and the other crew and cast members wouldn't be happy learning a movie they've worked on wouldn't get theatrical releases. But I'm not gonna go so far as to say they won't be released in any form. If Disney got to decide they would probably dump them onto a streaming service.

      Though at this point I don't see a reason to distrust what they're saying regarding why the movies are being delayed and the reason for the reshoots.

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    • Meanwhile, going back to good things, a new teaser spot for 'Infinity War', although feel free to skip if you want to know less going into it.

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    • Dan Slott's new *Fantastic Four* series must mean Marvel is awfully confident Disney's acquisition of Fox will go through.

      How far into Phase 4 do you think Kevin Feige will announce a FF movie?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Dan Slott's new *Fantastic Four* series must mean Marvel is awfully confident Disney's acquisition of Fox will go through.

      How far into Phase 4 do you think Kevin Feige will announce a FF movie?

      Much like with Spider-Man in Phase 3 being introduced in 'Captain America: Civil War', I can see them being introduced in 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3', though mainly in a post-credit scene and not necessarily as part of the main story. When Gunn and Feige say that what they have planned for future movies on their slate, won't be changed by the acquisition, I figure they mean for the main story.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: How far into Phase 4 do you think Kevin Feige will announce a FF movie?

      Four movies in.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: How far into Phase 4 do you think Kevin Feige will announce a FF movie?

      Four movies in.

      That would be fitting.

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    • Been a while since I’ve been here, so time to list all my responses to topics:

      • About the Oscars: While I agree that the Oscars have problems, and that the majority of modern superhero movies don’t need them (or in DC’s case sans Wonder Woman, don’t deserve them), they still have plenty of impact and overall can help shape a movie’s legacy. Think about it: would Brie Larson have been cast in Captain Marvel or even Kong Skull Island had she not won for Room?

      • About Black Panther’s domestic total: I continue to be overwhelmingly impressed with Black Panther’s returns. That total also makes it the highest-grossing superhero film in the US, and critically the film now ranks higher than any other live-action superhero movie in existence, maintaining a 97% on Rotten Tomatoes and achieving an 88 on Metacritic. Not to mention, by the end of its run, it probably will have made more money in the US than Justice League made across the entire globe (lol). As for a sequel, I agree with LoveWaffle in that it probably will come out in 2021.

      • About the Captain Marvel castings: Very interesting to say the least. What I’m wondering is how they’re going to age down Clark Gregg – that mustache might just help though. Also really hoping they give Ronan more development, given he was the weakest part of Guardians 1 (makes sense though; Lee Pace was in Twilight). The whole Kree thing has to make you wonder how much the Skrulls will factor in, though (I’m assuming Ben Mendelsohn will be playing one, though after Rogue One and Ready Player One I hope he doesn’t get typecast as the villain). Also, I’m pretty sure McKenna Grace will be playing a younger Carol. She’s really on a role – all thanks to Cap and the lesser Spidey director, I suppose (or Tonya Harding, take your pick).

      • About the Fox delays: Again? Yikes. That said, I actually do want those movies to come out, New Mutants to give a different kind of superhero movie, and Dark Phoenix to (hopefully but not likely) clear up Apocalypse’s many mistakes. They have their purpose, so they should come out. Venom and the other Fox ones, on the other hand…

      • About the TV Spot: Cap should be good friends with the Guardians - except Groot of course.

      • About the Fantastic Four: This looks like a good sign. Either that, or Cebulski really wants to appease those kinds of fans. Either way, for me, with the fact they’re mutates and the increasing emphasis on the more cosmic and fantastical side of the MCU, I think they (unlike the mutants) can be organically melded into Earth-199999. If the deal goes through, I expect a film from them will also be in 2021, so probably 5-7 movies in if Homecoming 2 is going to be the first movie.

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    • I'm fairly certain they can de-age not only Gregg, but also Sam Jackson, Lee Pace and Djimon Hounsou (although for the last 2 I'm not sure if de-ageing Kree requires that much work, especially with Hounsou who is practically a vampire in terms of how little he seems to be ageing) without any problem. Just basing off of both Michael Douglas in 'Ant-Man' and Kurt Russell in 'GotG Vol. 2', in both their flashbacks, that is a special effect they seem to excel at.

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    • Looking at their 90's work, all Clark really needs is some make-up to erase some lines and an extension of his hairline, while Sam Jackson is the definition of black don't crack.

      I wonder about Lee Pace, though. We still don't know the lifespan of a Kree, nor do we know Ronan's age. Lee himself is 39, and was 35 in 2014, so obviously Ronan had the physicality of a 35 year old. They might not need to age him down.

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    • All that blue makeup would probably disguise Pace's age.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: All that blue makeup would probably disguise Pace's age.

      But without the black war-paint from the first 'GotG' presumably.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: All that blue makeup would probably disguise Pace's age.

      But without the black war-paint from the first 'GotG' presumably.

      Oh PLEASE let him have that dumb Kasius pattern.

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    • I'm not worried about everyone else with their makeup. Aside from a few wrinkles, Sam Jackson's barely aged a day since he struck down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy his brothers (he actually looks pretty young when he's completely clean-shaven, as seen with Kingsman and the Capital One commercials, so maybe they can go that route); as you said, Lee Pace is covered in makeup, and he might not even need to have any touchup depending on what the lifespan of a Kree is; and I would even argue that they made Djimou Hounsou look OLDER in Guardians 1, since they dyed his hair white and changed the color of his eyes (he's not a vampire though - Paul Rudd is the real vampire).

      EDIT: About the box office again, Black Panther is also the highest-grossing non-Avengers film in the MCU worldwide, and is on track to surpass freaking TITANIC at the domestic box office, making it the third highest-grossing film in the US ever (after The Force Awakens and Avatar). Despite that, given its international returns are not larger than the domestic returns (a rarity in blockbusters these days), it shouldn't be able to surpass the Avengers movies.

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    • Not to get too far off the MCU again, but this is interesting:

      According to The Tracking Board, Jon Hamm was going to play Mr. Sinister in a tag at the end of The New Mutants until Fox changed their minds. Now Antonio Banderas will appear as a different, unspecified villain at the end. Furthermore, Warlock was in an earlier draft of the script until Fox thought he was too expensive (Fant4stic, anyone?).

      Warlock is the character who was rumored to be added to New Mutants in that first round of re-shoots that pushed the movie back to February. So is it not him? And does anyone really expect Disney to make a sequel to this? How much of Fox's X-Men and X-Men-adjacent franchises will survive the acquisition? Including a new villain (much less Mr. Sinister) in a sequel tag at the end just seems pointless now.

      The other thing is - Fox pushed back against the horror elements in New Mutants, but then they had the first trailer cut to emphasize those elements after IT's huge success. So now the director has to go back and reshoot the movie to make it more of a straight horror movie like he originally wanted to match the tone of that trailer.

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    • Speaking of The Tracking Board, they recently brought something up on who Jessica Chastain might be playing in 'Dark Phoenix'. Previously it was believed she was playing Lilandra, since it's adapting the Dark Phoenix saga and the Shi'ar might play a part of it.

      But then it was rumored that there would be Skrulls in the movie (since Fox has the rights to them) and that Chastain is playing one, since her character is described as according to Wikipedia "an alien with shape-shifting abilities that manipulates the Phoenix, [who Chastain describes] as clinical".

      But now, it's rumored she is actually playing Miss Sinister, essentially a gender-swapped Mister Sinister.

      I have no idea if this is as a result of the reshoots relating to the rumors quickly followed by what is going around about 'The New Mutants' originally having Mister Sinister, let alone if they are even true to begin with, but it does make it seem like it's a bit messy.

      And if the thing with Skrulls were true, it would mean we would have 2 Marvel movies in the same period of time that would have Skrulls as antagonists. Kinda like how there were 2 Marvel movies with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, except with less time in between, since 'Dark Phoenix' is now planned to come out 3 weeks before 'Captain Marvel'.

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    • I thought the movie Mr. Sinister got cut from was Logan, because they felt he wasn't grounded enough (good move overall, even though Dr. Rice was one of the only things in that movie that was total crap). I guess they were going to move him to New Mutants but scrapped him again. Still though, replacing Jon Hamm with Antonio Banderas - now that's an interesting swap.

      Warlock will be a pretty challenging character to put onscreen with a relatively low budget. As for whether Disney will make a sequel, simply put, if it makes money, have at it. I'm pretty sure Fox won't meld into Disney that much, and people forget that brands where "Disney" is not in the name frequently make R-rated content (The Netflix shows, anyone?).

      I remember New Mutants always being promoted as a horror film, but since the world hates studio execs, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason for reshoots. Still though, if that's what Boone wanted, then this delay might actually be a good sign - unless, of course, this ends up a typical MCU film and the studio ends up knowing how to make a better product than the director.

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    • That whole thing with Chastain looks like a total clusterfunk. Of the three, I would actually prefer Lilandra, mainly to help give the Shi'ar a popularity somewhat sizable compared to the other two biggest alien races in Marvel (the Kree and Skrulls). Since Fox will probably take advantage of how they can use Super-Skrull and Marvel can't, having Chastain playing it would be... really weird. And having a Miss Sinister is going to just fuel to DC fans' little political narrative ("Gender-swapping? MARVEL SUCKS!").

      In the end though, why do we even need aliens in the X-Men films? They already went big in Apocalypse and it blew up in their face. Plus, while The Last Stand was relatively grounded (despite upping the ante way too much compared to the Singer films), I feel a more character-driven movie is what this movie needs to be impactful. Not to mention the only reason I'm anticipating this studio-mandated time bomb is because it MIGHT tie up Apocalypse and Logan - MIGHT.

      Of course, I'm still going to see it. Because my dad has a celeb crush on Chastain. Someone help me...

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    • Chastain did confirm that she's not playing Lilandra, and if she were to play a Skrull I don't think it would be a female Super-Skrull (maybe Veranke but that's more of an Avengers character, and I'm not an expert so I can't think of any prominent female Skrull characters), since I think that would be kind of a wasted use of the character (which is not a surprising thing coming from Fox in general) since he's heavily tied to the Fantastic Four down to his powers (in the 'Marvel vs. Capcom 3', he is seen as the character who is "4 characters in one", since he's the excuse as to why none of the Fantastic Four members are individually playable characters).

      And if DC fans were to complain about gender swapping for that character specifically for that movie, it would be dumb on their part since 1. It's Fox and not Marvel Studios (Marvel shouldn't be held accountable for questionable things other companies have done with their character rights), and 2. Miss Sinister is an actual character from the comics, so it's not a case of "forced diversity" or affirmative action (that some people complain about).

      And yeah, I do agree that aliens aren't really necessary for what they have established in their movies, since they've stayed on earth for all of them, and made an effort to make Jean Grey's Phoenix powers related to her mutant powers than being something extraterrestrial, although that might be something they just retcon just for the sake of it (continuing the trend of X-Men movies' timeline and continuity not making much sense). To introduce aliens this late in the game, when they haven't been properly established before (especially when compared to what Marvel's been doing), might end up being jarring. And they could've stuck with just having extraterrestrial stuff for the Fantastic Four movies they have rights to, but they have already ruined the good will of people trusting those movies in doing anything correctly under Fox.

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    • KalKent wrote: Chastain did confirm that she's not playing Lilandra, and if she were to play a Skrull I don't think it would be a female Super-Skrull (maybe Veranke but that's more of an Avengers character, and I'm not an expert so I can't think of any prominent female Skrull characters)

      Really the only other prominent female Skrulls after Veranke are Lyja, R'Klll, and S'Byll. But like most Skrulls they're all tied more to the FF and Silver Surfer.

      But just why they're (supposedly) replacing the Shi'ar with the Skrulls is beyond me. Maybe they caught wind the Skrulls are going to be in Captain Marvel and Fox felt they the need to beat Marvel to the punch.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Chastain did confirm that she's not playing Lilandra, and if she were to play a Skrull I don't think it would be a female Super-Skrull (maybe Veranke but that's more of an Avengers character, and I'm not an expert so I can't think of any prominent female Skrull characters)

      Really the only other prominent female Skrulls after Veranke are Lyja, R'Klll, and S'Byll. But like most Skrulls they're all tied more to the FF and Silver Surfer.

      But just why they're (supposedly) replacing the Shi'ar with the Skrulls is beyond me. Maybe they caught wind the Skrulls are going to be in Captain Marvel and Fox felt they the need to beat Marvel to the punch.

      That's what it honestly feels like. I remember back in SDCC 2017 when they announced the Skrulls would play part in 'Captain Marvel', people brought up how "Fox also has the rights to using them, along with the Super-Skrull, but there is no way they are planning on ever using them since how they've failed with their Fantastic Four movies".

      That was announced in SDCC late July, while 'Dark Phoenix' started filming late June. So if Fox decided to make use of the Skrulls for the first time in their movie, it would either be very coincidental (especially with the eventually delayed release date making it come out 3 weeks before 'Captain Marvel'), or foolish if they decided to change it to the Skrulls while during filming based on the announcement that they will be in 'Captain Marvel' (which makes on wonder who the villains were originally planned to be, since Skrulls are unique in being shape-shifters, and if that will play a role in the movie or not).

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    • In terms of things we can actually look forward to, C. Robert Cargill, co-writer with Scott Derrickson on 'Doctor Strange 1', confirms that Nightmare will be the main antagonist in 'Doctor Strange 2', if that ends up happening, which I have no doubt it will.

      And regarding Mordo's role established with his turn at the end of the last movie, "[W]hatever Nightmare is involved with, Baron Mordo, being somebody who considers himself the defender of natural law will have something to do with it." My guess is that Mordo's goal will be to try and strip away magic from the sorcerers of the world, in order to protect the natural law, with the assisted aid of Nightmare, but in the end it turns out to be part of Nightmare's plan to weaken earth's protection from mystical threats, leaving it more vulnerable.

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    • From what I've seen, Veranke is a pretty hard character to crack. She's obviously mostly known for impersonating Spider-Woman, whose own legal rights are hard to crack (I mean, she's a spider character for Sony, is affiliated with SWORD for Fox, and yet stands on her own for Marvel - BTW give her a movie, please), so what Veranke ends up doing will be pretty head-scratching, if it's her.

      For the Nightmare thing, that's something I've been noticing with a lot of MCU villains. Ever since Phase 2, for a lot of movies, instead of going with the established big name villains, they often take small characters and put them at the center of the antagonism. Killian, Malekith, Pierce, Cross, Kaecilius, Ego, Killmonger - what normal fan knows those characters beforehand? I'm not saying that doing lesser-known characters is a bad thing, I just find it odd when Marvel has a huge roster of effective villains begging to be adapted (not as good as DC, but still). As for Mordo, I'm kind of hoping he and the other surviving MCU villains have something to do with Avengers 4, but they probably won't. However, I do like that idea you're pitching @KalKent; sounds like a potentially thought-provoking story.

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    • Speaking of Spider-Woman, who owns the rights to her (Jessica Drew) exactly? I've never been able to find out. Hopefully she's with Marvel. Also, not to get to speculative, but if I were casting her I'd go with Emily Blunt, as they're both English, around the same age, and Blunt's been wanting to do a MCU movie for a while now IIRC. Plus, if they were to give her her own movie, the Origin series should be ripe for adapting, so why not?

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    • She's HYDRA/SHIELD, so she should be with Marvel. But she's also Spider-Family, which would land her with SONY.

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    • Maybe it's a case like with Eden Fesi, where she is owned by Marvel, but they can't make her powers Spider related unless made under Sony, though I kinda doubt that. Maybe she is stuck in limbo rights, where unless Marvel owns all of them (SWORD, Spidey, etc.) they can't use her (at least not accurately).

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    • At its current peak, 'Black Panther' has now become the 10th all time worldwide grossing film, passing both the Disney movies, the 'Beauty and the Beast' remake and 'Frozen'. Remains to be seen for how much longer it will be in theaters, and it might gain a resurgence around the time of 'Avengers: Infinity War', and if it will pass 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' or not.

      And with the continuing dunking on DC, by next week or so 'Black Panther' will have made more money domestically (currently ~$651 million), than what 'Justice League' made worldwide ($657,924,295).

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    • Just as well it passed those two Disney movies - it's much better than both of them. Most movies tend to be dropped from wide release about 90 days after they are released, at which point they go to arthouse theaters and home media; as such, give it about until mid May for it leave, though this will cause some slight overlap with Infinity War. In that time, expect the international toll to help it gain the ~$60 million needed to surpass The Last Jedi (internationally, the film is probably going to go on until the movie is many months, or even a year, old).

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    • 'Black Panther' Will Be the First Film Shown in Saudi Arabian Cinemas in 35 Years. My guess is it will be sold pretty well there since Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, and the protagonist of the movie is a monarch, although I don't know how well the end message will be sold to the general audience over there.

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    • KalKent wrote: 'Black Panther' Will Be the First Film Shown in Saudi Arabian Cinemas in 35 Years. My guess is it will be sold pretty well there since Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, and the protagonist of the movie is a monarch, although I don't know how well the end message will be sold to the general audience over there.

      Wait, Saudi Arabia hasn't shown a single movie in 35 years? Or foreign films? Because if it's the first one, I don't understand how those movie theaters are still in working condition.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: 'Black Panther' Will Be the First Film Shown in Saudi Arabian Cinemas in 35 Years. My guess is it will be sold pretty well there since Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, and the protagonist of the movie is a monarch, although I don't know how well the end message will be sold to the general audience over there.

      Wait, Saudi Arabia hasn't shown a single movie in 35 years? Or foreign films? Because if it's the first one, I don't understand how those movie theaters are still in working condition.

      It's presumably something they've been prepping for. Ordering and installing new equipment, and renovating their old locales for screening movies. For 'Black Panther' specifically, it will be in a newly opened AMC theatre as specified in the article.

      "Most Saudi cinemas were shuttered during the early 1980s following the country’s adoption of hardline religious legal codes, but some improvised cinema screens persisted. Earlier this year, 'The Emoji Movie' was shown on one such screen, Reuters reported."

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    • Well, I commend the movie for that. What a feat to accomplish. Hopefully this opens up a lot of other doors for Saudi Arabia's media consumption, as well as for similar theocratic/autocratic governments.

      EDIT: Apparently, Infinity War is also going to premiere there, just five days after Black Panther. If there's one downside to that... it's that the audience is going to be so lost with Infinity War.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Well, I commend the movie for that. What a feat to accomplish. Hopefully this opens up a lot of other doors for Saudi Arabia's media consumption, as well as for similar theocratic/autocratic governments.

      EDIT: Apparently, Infinity War is also going to premiere there, just five days after Black Panther. If there's one downside to that... it's that the audience is going to be so lost with Infinity War.

      Five days is more than enough time to marathon all 18 films in the MCU before Infinity War.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: If there's one downside to that... it's that the audience is going to be so lost with Infinity War.

      Hopefully they have Blu-Rays/DVDs there. We might already have people who're caught up.

      Or heck, if the comics are over there, people could just realize "Hey, this is based off of Infinity and Infinity Gauntlet!"

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: If there's one downside to that... it's that the audience is going to be so lost with Infinity War.

      Hopefully they have Blu-Rays/DVDs there. We might already have people who're caught up.

      Or heck, if the comics are over there, people could just realize "Hey, this is based off of Infinity and Infinity Gauntlet!"

      I wouldn’t know for sure, but if they haven’t had working theaters there in over three decades, I highly doubt they have home media and comics. Hopefully, but doubtful.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: If there's one downside to that... it's that the audience is going to be so lost with Infinity War.

      Hopefully they have Blu-Rays/DVDs there. We might already have people who're caught up.

      Or heck, if the comics are over there, people could just realize "Hey, this is based off of Infinity and Infinity Gauntlet!"

      I wouldn’t know for sure, but if they haven’t had working theaters there in over three decades, I highly doubt they have home media and comics. Hopefully, but doubtful.

      I like to think that even in hardlined places like Saudia Arabia (if that's the right word), there is a network of people downloading and sharing pirated copies of movies, tv shows and digital comics amongst each other, to be able to keep up with a franchise they aren't legally allowed to consume (and I have no reason to doubt there is some form of a black market in Saudia Arabia, since even North Korea has one).

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    • And with that, Black Panther has surpassed Titanic at the domestic box office: https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/black-panther-passes-titanic-on-all-time-box-office-list/ar-AAvAWMQ?ocid=spartanntp All that are left are Avatar and The Force Awakens (though I doubt it'll surpass either).

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: And with that, Black Panther has surpassed Titanic at the domestic box office: https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/black-panther-passes-titanic-on-all-time-box-office-list/ar-AAvAWMQ?ocid=spartanntp All that are left are Avatar and The Force Awakens (though I doubt it'll surpass either).

      OH MY GOD, TITANIC?! Wow. Good for BP.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: And with that, Black Panther has surpassed Titanic at the domestic box office: https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/black-panther-passes-titanic-on-all-time-box-office-list/ar-AAvAWMQ?ocid=spartanntp All that are left are Avatar and The Force Awakens (though I doubt it'll surpass either).

      OH MY GOD, TITANIC?! Wow. Good for BP.

      In before someone says "it's not among the top if one adjusts the ticket price inflation".

      It does annoy me in general when people use domestic to try and make their point of something being the biggest movie of that year. Like last year when people claimed "'Wonder Woman' was the highest grossing superhero movie of 2017", while omitting the fact that's only true domestically, while 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' grossed more in total when combined with foreign for worldwide (along with 'GotG Vol. 2' and 'Thor: Ragnarok', which grossed more worldwide than 'Wonder Woman' did).

      But it's true domestic is important to show how a movie does in ones own country compared to foreign, in terms of what both markets want to see. 'Black Panther' being the first case (since the first 2 'Iron Man' movies and 'The Incredible Hulk') of an MCU where the domestic gross is higher than the foreign one.

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    • Here’s a new TV spot that went #1 on Trending:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5iOhzJdDawE

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Here’s a new TV spot that went #1 on Trending:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5iOhzJdDawE

      I saw it, but didn't share it here since I figured people didn't want to see much more of the movie until they've seen it. I laughed at Okoye's line though about opening Wakanda's border. "What did you expect?" "The Olympics, or at the very least a Starbucks."

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    • I have mixed feelings on that line. On the one hand, it's funny, and a very nice way of tying into previous movies that I hope this movie does with every single other MCU movie. On the other, I really don't want this movie to be very humorous given the context - not to mention Wakanda not having done either of those things is just depressing.

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    • Even funerals can have their funny moments, so I don't mind the idea of characters trying to find light in dire situations like the end of the world (like Bucky's comment), as long as it doesn't of course impede their ability which makes said situations worse.

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    • Talk about extremely belated casting news: Carrie Coon is playing Proxima Midnight: http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/carrie-coon-will-grace-infinity-war-with-her-presence.html

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Talk about extremely belated casting news: Carrie Coon is playing Proxima Midnight: http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/carrie-coon-will-grace-infinity-war-with-her-presence.html

      Also confirming previous suspicions about Terry Notary being Cull Obsidian (Black Dwarf but actually talks), and Tom Vaughan-Lawlor as Ebony Maw.

      Peter Dinklage's role is still undisclosed, but I think it's safe to say he's Corvius Glaive, and not just voice but mo-cap also. According to the Russo's, it will be noticeable what Dinklage's role will be, which I assume will be because of his voice which is pretty recognizable to begin with.

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    • Also interesting thing I found regarding Timothy Olyphant: "My 'Avengers: Infinity War' Cameo Was Cut".

      EDIT: I only just got around to actually watching the video, and I at first thought he was being serious, until he mentioned being Captain Japan.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Talk about extremely belated casting news: Carrie Coon is playing Proxima Midnight: http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/carrie-coon-will-grace-infinity-war-with-her-presence.html

      An interesting choice. Getting a recognizable and respected actress like her for Proxima Midnight suggests the Black Order are more than just simple henchmen.

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    • This is cool to know. "Josh Brolin Confirms Avengers Movie Scene With Brie Larson".

      Most likely it's for 'Avengers 4', where Carol will supposedly have a bigger role. This will probably be the closest thing we will see of a Superman-like character fighting a Darkseid-like villain (which some have claimed Thanos is a rip-off of) on the big screen, since I doubt we will see the actual thing from DC anytime soon (like from their supposedly planned Part 2 of 'Justice League').

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    • That's a crying shame.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Talk about extremely belated casting news: Carrie Coon is playing Proxima Midnight: http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/carrie-coon-will-grace-infinity-war-with-her-presence.html

      An interesting choice. Getting a recognizable and respected actress like her for Proxima Midnight suggests the Black Order are more than just simple henchmen.

      I wouldn't think so. Carrie Coon is both recognizable and respected in the television landscape, and a little bit on stage, but on film (with no disrespect intended), her only notable roles are in Gone Girl and The Post, neither of which had her stand out from the crowd. Additionally, probably no one had heard of Tom Vaughan-Lawlor before he got cast, and Terry Notary, while getting up there, has not had his own mo-cap work break off the way Andy Serkis or even Toby Kebbell has.

      Also, just by going off of the footage, I'm pretty sure Proxima's going to bite the dust fairly early on. We already know she's due to fight Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Cap, and Falcon, and she appears to be the target of Widow's line "We don't want to kill you, but we will". I actually wouldn't be surprised if NONE of the Black Order members make it out of this movie. Maybe a little disappointed, but not surprised.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      Carrie Coon is both recognizable and respected in the television landscape, and a little bit on stage, but on film (with no disrespect intended), her only notable roles are in Gone Girl and The Post, neither of which had her stand out from the crowd.

      Well that isn't true. Gone Girl was her breakout role. Besides, we're long past the day where TV is considered a lesser art form. Whoever it is Dinklage is playing, I can guarantee you his role in Game of Thrones has more to do with him getting cast than Days of Future Past or Elf.

      If Proxima's role was just to show up and get killed, they probably would've went with another stunt/mo-cap performer for the part.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: That's a crying shame.

      Not getting a part 2? Not surprising considering their supposed equivalent to Marvel's 'Avengers', made less money than 'Doctor Strange', and made the same amount of money in 17 weeks that 'Black Panther' did in 2 weeks.

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    • 'Black Panther' just had its screening in Saudia Arabia, and surprisingly, only 40 seconds of the movie ended up being cut. Specifically the scene where T'Challa and Nakia kiss each other.

      If I hadn't read what it was, I would've assumed they'd cut the mid-credit scene, since it's where Wakanda gets more open to the rest of the world.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Nurdboy42 wrote: That's a crying shame.

      Not getting a part 2? Not surprising considering their supposed equivalent to Marvel's 'Avengers', made less money than 'Doctor Strange', and made the same amount of money in 17 weeks that 'Black Panther' did in 2 weeks.

      No, not getting Superman vs. Darkseid in general.

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