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    15:18, June 19, 2019

    A continuation of the MCU-films and MCU-films: Phase 2 threads that I created, since each thread is limited to a maximum of 500 posts.

    Like the previous ones, the intention of this thread is to discuss Marvel Cinematic Universe-movies made by Marvel Studios, whether they be old, new, or future ones. And also use the thread to bring light on news and announcements, and share speculations, on future movies.

    SPOILER RULES: When a new movie comes out, spoilers will only be allowed to be brought up 2 weeks after the movie's US release date, to give as many people as possible the chance on catching up with it, and being able to join in on the discussions without getting spoiled.

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    • Wish this thread would start off on a different topic

      Nurdboy42 wrote:
      I'm seeing the opposite. The guy that dredged up the tweets, Mike Cernovich, is really big into pizzagate and himself has some interesting views on non-consensual sex. All because James Gunn mocked Trump and his people...

      Yep. His decade-old tweets are indefensible, but this is an alt-right hit job through-and-through.

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    • Continuing from the last thread.

      I do agree what the alt-righters did to dig said tweets up, which said terrible things that are no longer representative of who Gunn is currently as a person, was a heinous act on their part.

      However, I don't blame Disney for making the decision to drop him from the Marvel projects. Since while no longer representative, they are still terrible tweets associated with one person, who is associated with them as a company.

      And if this is the final decision, the main thing it makes me wish is that similar things happen to way worse people in the film industry already (Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Bryan Singer, etc.), just for the sake of being consistent when it comes to morals, especially now when we're in a #MeToo era of exposing terrible people.

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    • I don't blame Disney, either. They have a squeaky-clean reputation to uphold. Mostly, I'm just upset that this is another win for a Brownshirt like Mike Cernovich.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: I don't blame Disney, either. They have a squeaky-clean reputation to uphold. Mostly, I'm just upset that this is another win for a Brownshirt like Mike Cernovich.

      Yeah defo, but one thing I wonder is how the fandom will react to this. I hope people are smart enough to not boycott Disney and Marvel over this, and look ahead instead, since it's not the first time they've dropped creators. And while he was planned to be a big part of what will happen in phase 4, it's not as big the idea of dropping Feige, and the current phase isn't over yet so they still have time to plan things out and not rush it.

      And if the fandom is going to turn on somebody, it should be on the likes of Cernovich who made this happen to begin with, and make sure reactionary elements like the alt-right aren't accepted in their circles.

      But the worst thing about this, and I'm not trying to victim blame here, is that it could've easily been avoided on Gunn's part, if he apparently had used a tweet delete service. Although I'm kinda skeptical of that, since I remember last time using something like that on one of my old accounts, certain tweets and images that were old enough couldn't get deleted because they were archived. But I could be wrong on that.

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    • On a more lighter note on possible future things to come, on The Black List, a script on the Marvel character Ironheart by Jada Rodriguez has been voted as the most liked script the week it was published. Although the synopsis of it mentions Tony Stark playing a part in it, which may or may not be the case after 'Avengers 4'.

      The Black List being a survey about the most well received scripts that hasn't been produced into movies yet. Cousins Matthew and Ryan Firpo, who are writing a script for an Eternals movie, ended up on that list for their script 'Ruin', which was voted among the best scripts of 2017. Although there have been examples of scripts being voted as being the best, while said produced movies based on them not turning out that good ('Rough Night', 'Roman J. Israel Esq.', 'Wish Upon', 'Pan', etc.).

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    • Overall, I think that Disney and Gunn are both handling this in the best way possible, and I think you guys are right as well. Also, to end it more positively: I would totally like Taika Waititi to be the Phase 4-advice replacement (as of Marvel's current inventory, his style appears closest to Gunn's, he already has a cosmic stake in the series, AND he has already stated he wants to do non-Thor Marvel characters).

      Now to move away from that entirely: when do you guys think that Marvel will release a Captain Marvel trailer? I would hope they would do so around SDCC, and even though they're not present they can still release a trailer online. We also have less than eight months until the movie comes out, which is actually a smaller period of time between the first Black Panther trailer and when that movie came out. I would ALSO think they would do it sooner rather than later, since now that Ant-Man and the Wasp is out (and we can talk spoilers for it - though admittedly I have yet to see it), Marvel currently doesn't have any trailers for its upcoming movies.

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    • Just this past Wednesday:

      Kevin Feige wrote: "The first trailer for Captain Marvel is still a few months out. You already know as much as you need to. We've got Skrulls, we've got the Kree, it takes place in the 90s, you have Sam Jackson with two eyes, and Carol Danvers, a unique telling of Carol Danvers origin story."
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    • KalKent wrote: On a more lighter note on possible future things to come, on The Black List, a script on the Marvel character Ironheart by Jada Rodriguez has been voted as the most liked script the week it was published. Although the synopsis of it mentions Tony Stark playing a part in it, which may or may not be the case after 'Avengers 4'.

      The Black List being a survey about the most well received scripts that hasn't been produced into movies yet. Cousins Matthew and Ryan Firpo, who are writing a script for an Eternals movie, ended up on that list for their script 'Ruin', which was voted among the best scripts of 2017. Although there have been examples of scripts being voted as being the best, while said produced movies based on them not turning out that good ('Rough Night', 'Roman J. Israel Esq.', 'Wish Upon', 'Pan', etc.).

      Eh - as someone who studies the Black List closely, don't get your hopes up. It's a great way to get your screenplays out there and produced, but as you said, it's not always a good screenplay - after all, X-Men Origins: Wolverine was on the Black List. Yikes. That said, I do think an Ironheart movie could work - albeit around Phase 6, where we can have another transition of heroes (since I would prefer to go Iron-free for the time being, and Spider-Man is already being set up as Iron Man's replacement).

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    • AnnabellRice wrote: Just this past Wednesday:

      Kevin Feige wrote: "The first trailer for Captain Marvel is still a few months out. You already know as much as you need to. We've got Skrulls, we've got the Kree, it takes place in the 90s, you have Sam Jackson with two eyes, and Carol Danvers, a unique telling of Carol Danvers origin story."

      By a few months, it could be anything from 1 to a handful of them. I'm predicting either mid- to late-August, or September. At the latest early October. But I don't think we should worry, since I don't think they're gonna pull a 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' and release a teaser trailer a month or so before it comes out.

      For comparison, 'Black Panther' wrapped filming in late-April and the first teaser trailer came out early-June. 'Captain Marvel' wrapped earlier this month (July). And of course we're not taking into account the inevitable necessary reshoots that might come up.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Overall, I think that Disney and Gunn are both handling this in the best way possible, and I think you guys are right as well. Also, to end it more positively: I would totally like Taika Waititi to be the Phase 4-advice replacement (as of Marvel's current inventory, his style appears closest to Gunn's, he already has a cosmic stake in the series, AND he has already stated he wants to do non-Thor Marvel characters).

      I was thinking Waititi too, but the only issue I could see being either if he wants to do it or not to begin with, or if his schedule for future projects is too occupied for him to do it ('GotG Vol. 3' being apparently planned to start filming in early 2019). If not him, in terms of directors they've already used, if 'Captain Marvel' turns out good, then I can see Anna Boden & Ryan Fleck do it, if they're not already dedicated for a sequel to their first movie, since it has do with Kree and Skrulls, and I don't expect all of Carol's future adventures to be just on Earth.

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    • In American English "few" is virtually always more than one, so I'd be very surprised to see it drop any time before September.

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    • AnnabellRice wrote: In American English "few" is virtually always more than one, so I'd be very surprised to see it drop any time before September.

      In hindsight, I think I was being generous with guessing August.

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    • AnnabellRice wrote: Just this past Wednesday:

      Kevin Feige wrote: "The first trailer for Captain Marvel is still a few months out. You already know as much as you need to. We've got Skrulls, we've got the Kree, it takes place in the 90s, you have Sam Jackson with two eyes, and Carol Danvers, a unique telling of Carol Danvers origin story."

      They had me at Skrulls.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      AnnabellRice wrote: In American English "few" is virtually always more than one, so I'd be very surprised to see it drop any time before September.

      In hindsight, I think I was being generous with guessing August.

      UNLESS that's what Feige WANTS you to think...

      In all seriousness though, even though DC seriously screwed up with the Titans trailer, Warner Bros. really went big today with FOUR trailers, two of which were DC ones. Also, the apocalypse happened - Teen Titans Go to the Movies has a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. So yeah, Disney better do SOMETHING (other than Clone Wars Season 7) to make an impact this Comic-Con, right? This IS a non-D23 year after all.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      AnnabellRice wrote: In American English "few" is virtually always more than one, so I'd be very surprised to see it drop any time before September.

      In hindsight, I think I was being generous with guessing August.

      UNLESS that's what Feige WANTS you to think...

      In all seriousness though, even though DC seriously screwed up with the Titans trailer, Warner Bros. really went big today with FOUR trailers, two of which were DC ones. Also, the apocalypse happened - Teen Titans Go to the Movies has a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. So yeah, Disney better do SOMETHING (other than Clone Wars Season 7) to make an impact this Comic-Con, right? This IS a non-D23 year after all.

      In the New York Comic-Con? They have to on that one. Not just Disney in general, but HBO also (who also weren't present at San Diego). Both of them being absent (movie wise for Marvel), did help DC have the focus on them, and it apparently helped them with it being positive (in Hall H at least).

      And while non-MCU, with just 'Deadpool 2' being at San Diego, at New York Fox might have 'Dark Phoenix' and 'The New Mutants' there (although I wouldn't care either way, and I figure most wouldn't either).

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    • The big Phase 3 reveal - which included announcing Chadwick Boseman would portray T'Challa - was just a random press conference. Kevin Feige has the sort of clout that he could rent out a theater for a few hours on some normal afternoon and dominate the news cycle for a week.

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    • If we have such a press conference (given that it also included the release schedule of every Phase 3 movie up till that point), I don't expect it to happen until after Far from Home comes out. The only things they would want to announce before then are the 2020 movies, given that they've become a big spoiler-keeping machine.

      KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      AnnabellRice wrote: In American English "few" is virtually always more than one, so I'd be very surprised to see it drop any time before September.

      In hindsight, I think I was being generous with guessing August.

      UNLESS that's what Feige WANTS you to think...

      In all seriousness though, even though DC seriously screwed up with the Titans trailer, Warner Bros. really went big today with FOUR trailers, two of which were DC ones. Also, the apocalypse happened - Teen Titans Go to the Movies has a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. So yeah, Disney better do SOMETHING (other than Clone Wars Season 7) to make an impact this Comic-Con, right? This IS a non-D23 year after all.

      In the New York Comic-Con? They have to on that one. Not just Disney in general, but HBO also (who also weren't present at San Diego). Both of them being absent (movie wise for Marvel), did help DC have the focus on them, and it apparently helped them with it being positive (in Hall H at least).

      And while non-MCU, with just 'Deadpool 2' being at San Diego, at New York Fox might have 'Dark Phoenix' and 'The New Mutants' there (although I wouldn't care either way, and I figure most wouldn't either).

      I was referring to SDCC. I'm not sure what they will do at NYCC, given that it's still a relatively small con, but they could do that if they wanted to "dominate the news cycle for a week".

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: If we have such a press conference (given that it also included the release schedule of every Phase 3 movie up till that point), I don't expect it to happen until after Far from Home comes out. The only things they would want to announce before then are the 2020 movies, given that they've become a big spoiler-keeping machine.

      KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      AnnabellRice wrote: In American English "few" is virtually always more than one, so I'd be very surprised to see it drop any time before September.

      In hindsight, I think I was being generous with guessing August.

      UNLESS that's what Feige WANTS you to think...

      In all seriousness though, even though DC seriously screwed up with the Titans trailer, Warner Bros. really went big today with FOUR trailers, two of which were DC ones. Also, the apocalypse happened - Teen Titans Go to the Movies has a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. So yeah, Disney better do SOMETHING (other than Clone Wars Season 7) to make an impact this Comic-Con, right? This IS a non-D23 year after all.

      In the New York Comic-Con? They have to on that one. Not just Disney in general, but HBO also (who also weren't present at San Diego). Both of them being absent (movie wise for Marvel), did help DC have the focus on them, and it apparently helped them with it being positive (in Hall H at least).

      And while non-MCU, with just 'Deadpool 2' being at San Diego, at New York Fox might have 'Dark Phoenix' and 'The New Mutants' there (although I wouldn't care either way, and I figure most wouldn't either).

      I was referring to SDCC. I'm not sure what they will do at NYCC, given that it's still a relatively small con, but they could do that if they wanted to "dominate the news cycle for a week".

      They aren't doing anything movie news related at SDCC. The only things MCU related to new things they've had panels for are for showcasing season 2 of 'Iron Fist', and announcing 'Cloak & Dagger' being renewed for a second season. In terms of Marvel Studios, the only things they had scheduled were for "The First 10 Years, Visual Development", the costume design of 'Black Panther', and "The First 10 Years, Theatrical Prop Development".

      Here is the full schedule of everything Marvel related in SDCC.

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    • I knew that the MCU was going to skip SDCC; I just figured that they might give us some news otherwise to tide us over, in order to avoid potential spoiler leaks while still building up hype - though it appears as if they're opting for the route where they hide everything for as long as feasibly possible.

      Speaking of which, Ant-Man and the Wasp should be ready for us to give off the spoilers! So yeah, I saw it today, and it was pretty good overall; mostly the same as the first one, and SLIGHTLY suffers from a lot of different subplots, but it does have a great villain. Plus, I gotta say - that last bit with the question mark was a total troll move.

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    • I thought Infinity War was bad when they said THANOS would return but the question mark had my jaw agape for a full minute

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    • Ben 1,000,911 wrote: I thought Infinity War was bad when they said THANOS would return but the question mark had my jaw agape for a full minute

      Huh. I cursed at the screen a bit. At least it's a good thing they'll be back though... right?

      Anyway, I actually did not expect Ant-Man to survive, given that he's one of the newer heroes, and they're pretty much the ones who died in the snap (which is why I was certain Wasp would die - hell, I even figured such a post-credits scene was going to happen). There is the theory that now that he's stuck in the Quantum Realm, he'll be the one to escort Captain Marvel to the present day, but that would render the Infinity War conclusion totally useless ("Mother-" as Fury would put it). Now I'm not sure WHAT Ant-Man's role will be, aside from presumably teaming up with all the other surviving Avengers.

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    • The only thing I heard about what would happen in 'AM&tW' before I saw it, was the critics saying how its mid-credit scene was "one of the best", so I assumed with the tone of the movie it was going to be very humorous... Boy was I wrong!

      The post-credit scene, while I found it disappointing having to wait for that one (worse than the 'Homecoming' with Cap), due to the confusion of the mid, I seem to recall there being beeping during it, and saw someone pointing out how a TV in the background say "This is not a test", meaning its a state of emergency after the snap.

      And while the tonal whiplash was still there (typical for an Ant-Man movie), with the giant ant playing drums, it did show how it continued its training to act like Scott while he's away. Which it will be very interesting to see in 'Avengers 4' how he gets out of the quantum realm.

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    • The TV had colored bars on it, and said something along the lines of "This is a state of emergency". So yeah, definitely after the snap. Something I also noticed in that scene was that they showed various vacant scenes of the house being empty, which may or may not imply that Scott's entire family died as well. Kind of a stretch I'll admit, since Cassie and co. don't even live there, but I HAVE heard a similar rumor that Hawkeye's entire family will die, prompting him to become Ronin (we'll have to do Avengers 4 predictions later).

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    • While people are focusing on the snap affecting the others characters in the mid-credit scene, I feel a lot of people aren't also talking about the implications of Scott being stuck in the Quantum Realm. With Janet mentioning how time works differently there, and if the rumors about 'Avengers 4' and what might happen with Cassie has truth to them, then that gives me a rough idea of how he might get out of it (if it's not through external means thanks to the Avengers).

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    • Not officially official just yet (still needs to be approved by some international parties and could take 6-12 months to finalize), but yes. It's official and I'm so happy.

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    • KalKent wrote: While people are focusing on the snap affecting the others characters in the mid-credit scene, I feel a lot of people aren't also talking about the implications of Scott being stuck in the Quantum Realm. With Janet mentioning how time works differently there, and if the rumors about 'Avengers 4' and what might happen with Cassie has truth to them, then that gives me a rough idea of how he might get out of it (if it's not through external means thanks to the Avengers).

      I might have said this earlier, but people think that Ant-Man being stuck in the Quantum Realm will lead to him going back in time, fetching Captain Marvel, and then have the two time travel to save the day. The problem I see with that, though, is that it would render Fury’s pager message null and void. Instead, I think it will tie in to my theory of the Multiverse, where the characters that were snapped are stuck in different universes, and Ant-Man will end up there as well from being stuck in the Quantum Realm for so long, leading to him and his crew teaching the other heroes how to get back. Given that Sebastian Stan basically confirmed Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer would be in Avengers 4, I’d say it’s pretty likely this will happen.

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    • In terms of theories, I have a few ideas of what might happen next in the upcoming movies. With Carol, I believe she was tasked by Fury to leave earth to fight the Kree and Skrulls, only to return in a state of emergency he sees necessary (via the pager).

      And with what we saw at the end of 'Infinity War', with Thanos seeing young Gamora in what appears to be Soulworld, my guess is that it's the place where all of the living individuals are sent to when they are affected by the snap, making them think they're living in the real world (a la the Framework in 'AoS'), which is why the set photos we've seen appears to look like it's in the past (Cap's crappy costume from 'Avengers 1', along with Scott as Ant-Man in New York). And since 'Avengers 4' has been described as a heist movie, my guess is that they're trying to bring back Gamora, since it was through her sacrifice that Thanos was able to get a hold of it to begin with, thereby releasing everybody else.

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    • Scott Derrickson on Instagram: "“Not my will, but thine be done...” See you in September."

      And as one of the comments on the posts suggests, is he hinting towards Clea in the sequel?

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    • Prediction for Captain Marvel:

      Maybe Carol leaves because she has to train her powers in a different environment, and the vacuum of space is perfect for that. Maybe she's worried her presence on Earth will only bring the planet unwanted attention from alien powers like the Kree and Skrull empires. Before she leaves, she gives Fury the transmitter we see him use at the end of Infinity War - something cobbled together from tech the Kree use to keep in contact with their agents stationed across the galaxy - so he can call her back if the Earth is ever threatened again. But due to how extremely powerful she is and how much attention her return will get from the Kree, Fury knows he can only call her in as a last resort. She's the nuclear option.
      Mid-credits scene, Fury introduces the prototype for the Avengers Initiative. Seeing the Earth caught in the crossfire between two interstellar powers only to be saved by the actions of one extraordinary individual gives Fury the idea to bring together a team of other extraordinary individuals to defend the Earth in a crisis. Captain Marvel is, in a sense, a prequel and origin story for the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe (even if it isn't chronologically the first).

      Prediction for Avengers 4:

      Thanos, growing restless with life on his farm, goes to a random planet to survey the results of his actions. He stands at the top of a cliff, watching a massive, swarming hive of insectoid aliens below him. He wonders how there could be so many. Did the Infinity Gauntlet's power spare them?
      Thanos then hears something large moving behind him. He turns around a sees a hulking creature carrying a dead, boar-like alien over its shoulder. Thanos readies to attack, but the creature holds up his hand and says,
      "Hey, man. I'm Korg, those are the Mieks, and this [motions to the boar] is what I'm bringing for dinner. You can join us if you want. We've been able to eat more than twice as much as we used to since all those people disappeared in that city over there. It was really sad but Miek keeps laying eggs and his kids need to eat, too, so we try not to think about it."
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    • ‘Kraven the Hunter’ Movie Lands ‘Equalizer’ Writer Richard Wenk

      So much for my theory that Spider-Man 3 will be Kraven's Last Hunt.

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    • So not only will we have a Venom movie where Spider-Man isn't part of his origin, but we might have a movie about Kraven where he's not hunting Spider-Man...

      Remind me of who these movies are made for exactly?

      I guess this also means he won't appear in the Tom Holland ones, and that the Dimitri character in 'Far From Home' isn't Chameleon (unless they make it to where his brother isn't Kraven).

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    • He's probably going to be Chameleon, but they probably won't mention him having a brother.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: ‘Kraven the Hunter’ Movie Lands ‘Equalizer’ Writer Richard Wenk

      So much for my theory that Spider-Man 3 will be Kraven's Last Hunt.

      Didn't the Amazing Spider-Man movies' Sinister Six spin-off have both a writer and director before it quietly went away?

      Sony's plans hinge on Venom's success.

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    • Yeah, Drew Goddard. He left Daredevil for it. Oops.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      Nurdboy42 wrote: ‘Kraven the Hunter’ Movie Lands ‘Equalizer’ Writer Richard Wenk

      So much for my theory that Spider-Man 3 will be Kraven's Last Hunt.

      Didn't the Amazing Spider-Man movies' Sinister Six spin-off have both a writer and director before it quietly went away?

      Sony's plans hinge on Venom's success.

      As the article mentions, and whatever rating it ends up with (PG-13 or R) will affect also. Though I doubt it will gain the same type of success with an R-rating like 'Deadpool' 1 and 2 did.

      The fact they removed 'Silver & Sable' from their release schedule (along with Gina Prince-Bythewood in talks to do a different comic book property), it's obvious they're waiting on seeing how 'Venom' turns out. Much like how Universal waited on seeing how 'The Mummy' turned out, before they went ahead with their Dark Universe, and when it flopped we've not heard anything new about it again.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Yeah, Drew Goddard. He left Daredevil for it. Oops.

      At least he got an X-Force movie later on, assuming that will happen under Fox or even Disney (which it's rumored Fox is moving full steam ahead with either that or 'Deadpool 3' to start production soon, though not sure if he's involved with the latter).

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    • Seems that the rumors about Sam Jackson as Nick Fury being in 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' are true, along with Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill. I do hope for Jackson's sake that he won't get tired of the role anytime soon, especially since due to Marvel borrowing his likeness for the Ultimate version of the character, he has the exclusive rights to portray the character in the movies.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: ‘Kraven the Hunter’ Movie Lands ‘Equalizer’ Writer Richard Wenk

      So much for my theory that Spider-Man 3 will be Kraven's Last Hunt.

      A Disney movie where the hero crawls out of a grave and the villain shoots himself in the head? Yeah, not happening. This is why I think they need Marvel animated movies in the same vein as DC - you get to adapt comic stories not only without any edits, but also a grittier tone.

      KalKent wrote: So not only will we have a Venom movie where Spider-Man isn't part of his origin, but we might have a movie about Kraven where he's not hunting Spider-Man...

      Remind me of who these movies are made for exactly?

      I guess this also means he won't appear in the Tom Holland ones, and that the Dimitri character in 'Far From Home' isn't Chameleon (unless they make it to where his brother isn't Kraven).

      Based on the Venom trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLCn88bfW1o) and news such as the lack of the spider symbol and an all-new symbiote, this appears to be one of those stories where the universe involves characters from another in a new light (I think they're called revisionist stories). Which could be good, as it allows for more creative freedom, but the woeful amount of comic inaccuracies could be detrimental. Plus, if it goes too far in that direction, there's no way I would want it in the MCU, just IMO. As for Dimitri, they'll probably do what Nurdboy suggested, then if they want to combine universes, have them be estranged or long-lost or something.

      KalKent wrote: Seems that the rumors about Sam Jackson as Nick Fury being in 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' are true, along with Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill. I do hope for Jackson's sake that he won't get tired of the role anytime soon, especially since due to Marvel borrowing his likeness for the Ultimate version of the character, he has the exclusive rights to portray the character in the movies.

      Meh, I was kind of actually hoping he would die. Not that I don't like Fury or anything; I just feel that him dying would be a good way of saying "The Avengers aren't being assembled no more; you gotta fend for yourselves". Then again, he WAS snapped, and he already faked his death, so him coming back was kinda inevitable.

      KalKent wrote:

      Nurdboy42 wrote: Yeah, Drew Goddard. He left Daredevil for it. Oops.

      At least he got an X-Force movie later on, assuming that will happen under Fox or even Disney (which it's rumored Fox is moving full steam ahead with either that or 'Deadpool 3' to start production soon, though not sure if he's involved with the latter).

      More like at least he got to direct two Thor movies, the upcoming one of which has Iron Monger in it, and also write the screenplay for the movie that got him (and the Loki Actor) an Oscar nomination... Because X-Force would basically be Gambit if Gambit didn't "exist".

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    • I don't particularly want to keep coming back to the topic, but we do have two new bits of news over the James Gunn controversy.

      First, all of the primary Guardians actors recently signed and released a statement about the matter that borders on asking Disney to rehire him: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl3OVfeF8Dc/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=mnenqvv7figs

      Second, Dave Bautista has stated that he will quit Guardians Vol. 3 if Disney does not use Gunn's script, though he has also admitted that he might be contractually forced to reprise the role: https://www.businessinsider.com/dave-bautista-threatens-to-quit-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-2018-8

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: I don't particularly want to keep coming back to the topic, but we do have two new bits of news over the James Gunn controversy.

      First, all of the primary Guardians actors recently signed and released a statement about the matter that borders on asking Disney to rehire him: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl3OVfeF8Dc/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=mnenqvv7figs

      Second, Dave Bautista has stated that he will quit Guardians Vol. 3 if Disney does not use Gunn's script, though he has also admitted that he might be contractually forced to reprise the role: https://www.businessinsider.com/dave-bautista-threatens-to-quit-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-2018-8

      It's like the Streisand effect. By so quickly trying to sweep the "problem" under the rug, Disney only assured that this is what Vol. 3 will be associated with. And other Marvel movies are going to have to answer for it, too. They're going to start promoting Captain Marvel any day now. It has returning cast members from the original Guardians of the Galaxy. Brie Larson is a similarly vocal celebrity online who could possibly find herself the target of another alt-right hit job. Do we think they're not going to be asked about this?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: They're going to start promoting Captain Marvel any day now. It has returning cast members from the original Guardians of the Galaxy. Brie Larson is a similarly vocal celebrity online who could possibly find herself the target of another alt-right hit job. Do we think they're not going to be asked about this?

      That's what I dread the most leading up to 'Captain Marvel'. In the same way racist white dude-bros were smearing and attacking 'Black Panther' both before and when it came out, I predict the same will happen to 'Captain Marvel' from sexist white dude-bros.

      Much like what happened last year when 'Wonder Woman' came out, along with its private woman-only screenings (which I predict 'Captain Marvel' will also have, much like 'Black Panther' had for black people). Except Carol Danvers isn't as big of a character as either Wonder Woman or even Black Panther, but her movie will be held to a higher standard, since it doesn't have people worrying about it due to previous track-records (like 'Wonder Woman' had with previous DC movies).

      And like you mentioned, Brie Larson has been vocal on social media regarding social issues (unlike Chadwick Boseman and other cast and crew of 'Black Panther' from what I remember), though hopefully nothing from her past that will be used as ammunition against her like what happened with James Gunn.

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    • Updates on Sony's CashGrabVerse

      TL;DR:

      • Morbius, Silk, and Nightwatch still happening for now
      • Silver & Black is dead, will instead be separate solo movies
      • They're developing a Jackpot solo (yeah, seriously)
      • There's no Kevin Feige-esque figure at Sony
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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Updates on Sony's CashGrabVerse

      TL;DR:

      • Morbius, Silk, and Nightwatch still happening for now
      • Silver & Black is dead, will instead be separate solo movies
      • They're developing a Jackpot solo (yeah, seriously)
      • There's no Kevin Feige-esque figure at Sony

      Also that 'Venom' won't feature Spider-Man (contrary to what rumors and speculation has said), and that it's "unlikely" it will be R-rated like originally planned.

      Also, I hate that they use the term "extended Marvel Cinematic Universe", fooling people into thinking what Sony is doing by themselves is somehow tied to the MCU.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: They're going to start promoting Captain Marvel any day now. It has returning cast members from the original Guardians of the Galaxy. Brie Larson is a similarly vocal celebrity online who could possibly find herself the target of another alt-right hit job. Do we think they're not going to be asked about this?

      That's what I dread the most leading up to 'Captain Marvel'. In the same way racist white dude-bros were smearing and attacking 'Black Panther' both before and when it came out, I predict the same will happen to 'Captain Marvel' from sexist white dude-bros.

      Much like what happened last year when 'Wonder Woman' came out, along with its private woman-only screenings (which I predict 'Captain Marvel' will also have, much like 'Black Panther' had for black people). Except Carol Danvers isn't as big of a character as either Wonder Woman or even Black Panther, but her movie will be held to a higher standard, since it doesn't have people worrying about it due to previous track-records (like 'Wonder Woman' had with previous DC movies).

      And like you mentioned, Brie Larson has been vocal on social media regarding social issues (unlike Chadwick Boseman and other cast and crew of 'Black Panther' from what I remember), though hopefully nothing from her past that will be used as ammunition against her like what happened with James Gunn.

      What I mean is, James Gunn's firing is going to get tied to the Captain Marvel promotion tour. Someone's going to sit down with Brie Larson, Lee Pace, and/or Djimon Hounsou and asks them how they feel about it. Same thing will happen with Avengers 4: Avenge This! or whatever they're going to call it.

      A lot of people think Taika Waititi could come in and take over directing duties because of Ragnarok. But do we want to drag him and the Thor movies into this as well?

      Disney wanted this story to be over with quickly, but it just. keeps. coming. back.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: They're going to start promoting Captain Marvel any day now. It has returning cast members from the original Guardians of the Galaxy. Brie Larson is a similarly vocal celebrity online who could possibly find herself the target of another alt-right hit job. Do we think they're not going to be asked about this?

      That's what I dread the most leading up to 'Captain Marvel'. In the same way racist white dude-bros were smearing and attacking 'Black Panther' both before and when it came out, I predict the same will happen to 'Captain Marvel' from sexist white dude-bros.

      Much like what happened last year when 'Wonder Woman' came out, along with its private woman-only screenings (which I predict 'Captain Marvel' will also have, much like 'Black Panther' had for black people). Except Carol Danvers isn't as big of a character as either Wonder Woman or even Black Panther, but her movie will be held to a higher standard, since it doesn't have people worrying about it due to previous track-records (like 'Wonder Woman' had with previous DC movies).

      And like you mentioned, Brie Larson has been vocal on social media regarding social issues (unlike Chadwick Boseman and other cast and crew of 'Black Panther' from what I remember), though hopefully nothing from her past that will be used as ammunition against her like what happened with James Gunn.

      What I mean is, James Gunn's firing is going to get tied to the Captain Marvel promotion tour. Someone's going to sit down with Brie Larson, Lee Pace, and/or Djimon Hounsou and asks them how they feel about it. Same thing will happen with Avengers 4: Avenge This! or whatever they're going to call it.

      A lot of people think Taika Waititi could come in and take over directing duties because of Ragnarok. But do we want to drag him and the Thor movies into this as well?

      Disney wanted this story to be over with quickly, but it just. keeps. coming. back.

      I got that. It defo wouldn't help matter PR wise for that movie.

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    • Apparently Marvel is lobbying to get Gunn back, mainly seeking a compromise with Disney. I'd be very surprised if they succeed with it, though I kinda doubt it with the power Disney has.

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    • In the US and Canada, all previous 20 MCU movies will be screened at IMAX theaters. Makes me curious how much of a dent the screenings will have on the individual movies' total box office gross, if any dent at all (like how 'Avatar' made $2.7 billion in total, but when it was re-released for theaters afterwards it only made $30 million).

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Updates on Sony's CashGrabVerse

      TL;DR:

      • Morbius, Silk, and Nightwatch still happening for now
      • Silver & Black is dead, will instead be separate solo movies
      • They're developing a Jackpot solo (yeah, seriously)
      • There's no Kevin Feige-esque figure at Sony
      • Well, could you at LEAST not have Silk? Cuz we got our own version and we would very much like to keep her there.
      • And Prince-Bythewood is involved with both. At least this is advantageous to someone.
      • LGBT representation, I guess? Maybe? Depends on which one they use?
      • That's new. (sarcasm)

      KalKent wrote: In the US and Canada, all previous 20 MCU movies will be screened at IMAX theaters. Makes me curious how much of a dent the screenings will have on the individual movies' total box office gross, if any dent at all (like how 'Avatar' made $2.7 billion in total, but when it was re-released for theaters afterwards it only made $30 million).

      Doubtfully anything. But I do hope that at least in Infinity War's case, it will allow the film to claim the third spot on both the domestic and worldwide gross charts (subsequently beating out Black Panther and The Force Awakens respectively). To do that, however, it will need to make around $25 million, which wouldn't happen for quite a while.


      What's head-scratching for me is that this isn't the 10th anniversary of Marvel Studios. The MCU is ten years old, but Marvel Studios has been around since 1993 (or 1996, if you want to exclude the years it was known as Marvel Films). Anniversaries can be weird sometimes, I guess.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: What's head-scratching for me is that this isn't the 10th anniversary of Marvel Studios. The MCU is ten years old, but Marvel Studios has been around since 1993 (or 1996, if you want to exclude the years it was known as Marvel Films). Anniversaries can be weird sometimes, I guess.

      I would think 'Iron Man 1' was their first movie that they produced as Marvel Studios, but I could be wrong there. Or at the very least the first movie they self-financed.

      In terms of Marvel being involved with movies, the only things that come to mind are them selling off the rights to the lowest bidders to get out of bankruptcy, and Marvel Entertainment being one of the production studios of movies ever since 'Blade'. I'm basically going based on the Wikipedia-page.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: What's head-scratching for me is that this isn't the 10th anniversary of Marvel Studios. The MCU is ten years old, but Marvel Studios has been around since 1993 (or 1996, if you want to exclude the years it was known as Marvel Films). Anniversaries can be weird sometimes, I guess.

      I would think 'Iron Man 1' was their first movie that they produced as Marvel Studios, but I could be wrong there. Or at the very least the first movie they self-financed.

      In terms of Marvel being involved with movies, the only things that come to mind are them selling off the rights to the lowest bidders to get out of bankruptcy, and Marvel Entertainment being one of the production studios of movies ever since 'Blade'. I'm basically going based on the Wikipedia-page.

      Essentially, yes. Prior to Iron Man, Marvel Films/Studios was the company that was tasked to license film rights following the Toy Biz merger, with Avi Arad himself as CEO. It was only when David Maisel became COO in 2004 that the studio became focused on production, with Iron Man obviously being the first one. And I mean, celebrating a change in style is definitely welcome, I just find it a tad odd that they would brand it as the birth of the studio rather than the birth of the style. It would be like having Wells Fargo celebrate its inception year as 2018 rather than 1852 for their own change in practices.

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    • I don't really know how exactly movie productions work, but I wouldn't bother making an anniversary of when I started one, if it took me a while to make my first production after that. The first production would be the time I'd take pride in. Like I have a Twitch account, and I would like to stream from it someday in the future, but I wouldn't have the anniversary to be back when I originally created that account, since no one would've been a fan around when that happened.

      Also, while Marvel Entertainment's first movie production was 'Blade', before they merged with ToyBiz, Marvel Entertainment Group helped produce Captain America (1990 film). Impressive how much they've evolved since then.

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    • So yeah, remember that time I said that it would be cool if Black Panther got Oscar recognition? Well, turns out it will, but...

      https://variety.com/2018/film/features/oscars-popular-film-category-ratings-academy-1202903865/

      Like... wow. I’m probably the only person on the Internet who has a level-headed view on awards ceremonies, let alone the Oscars. But this? This is an all-time low. SMH, Academy. S. M. H.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: So yeah, remember that time I said that it would be cool if Black Panther got Oscar recognition? Well, turns out it will, but...

      https://variety.com/2018/film/features/oscars-popular-film-category-ratings-academy-1202903865/

      Like... wow. I’m probably the only person on the Internet who has a level-headed view on awards ceremonies, let alone the Oscars. But this? This is an all-time low. SMH, Academy. S. M. H.

      I'm torn on it. I don't agree with the idea of it supposedly "creating a false dichotomy of good movies and popular movies," since popular ones have been nominated and won Oscars in the past. And I don't think this means movies like 'Black Panther' will only be nominated or win in that category.

      However, if the way to be nominated for that category is simply "earn lots of money at the box office," and assuming the way to win it simply to have the most, it makes the Academy Awards way more of a popularity contest than it was before. Like I don't expect the Emmys to have a "Show with highest ratings," or the Grammys to have "Song or album with most sales or streams."

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    • Given that the award is called "Best Popular Film" rather than "Most Popular Film", I'm pretty sure it won't involve the film with the largest gross revenue automatically getting the Oscar (though in regards to this year I wouldn't be too mad given that it would mean Infinity War wins). Movies that are eligible will probably involve a mixture of three options: Whichever films overcome a certain box office threshold (e.g. $500 million), whichever movies cannot take place in the "real world", or a combination of the two. They will then select the best of the bunch, and I'm predicting Black Panther due to the film's liberal social commentary and high aggregate scores that are only rivaled by M:I-Fallout this year (there's also the belief that ABC made these changes both to boost views and to have Black Panther win).

      While popular movies have been nominated for Best Picture, winning is a whole other story, the obvious exceptions being The Return of the King and The Shape of Water. I'm not too bothered by that, though, since the Academy has stated that films nominated for Best Popular Film can still be nominated in Best Picture. I'm more concerned about the possibility that films are specifically aimed at that category, and for the most part will only be nominated in that category. Take Best Animated Film, for example. Animated films used to frequently be nominated in various technical categories, but since the 2010s they've only really been able to get one more nomination at most, and it's usually Best Original Song. MCU movies probably won't fare better, as well. Iron Man 1 and Guardians 1 are the only ones that received nominations other than Visual Effects, and of course, none of the films have won (even #!&@$*+ Suicide Squad won an Oscar). Expect it to get worse as time goes on.

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    • We must be getting close to the eventual teaser poster and trailer for 'Captain Marvel', since they've just announced the solicit for the prelude comic, Marvel's Captain Marvel Prelude #1. Although unlike previous preludes, it will be a one-shot rather than a 2-issue mini-series. And unsurprisingly, it will focus on Fury and Hill, presumably leading up to the events of the post-credit scene of 'Infinity War'.

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    • It's kinda weird how little we've seen of Captain Marvel yet. This is a movie that comes out in just over six months. We've had some set photos, but no poster, trailer, or official stills. There's still a significant portion of the cast who we have no idea who they're playing. Ant-Man and the Wasp had a cast reveal at last year's SDCC; year before that gave us reveals for Black Panther Spider-Man: Homecoming, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2; and Thor: Ragnarok revealed almost all of the major characters in a press release a couple months before then. That moment hasn't yet happened for Captain Marvel.

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    • It's because filming of it wrapped in early July, which apparently was originally reported to wrap sometime in June. I don't expect to see a teaser trailer for a movie where it hasn't gone through proper post-production with its effects, almost month afterwards. For context, 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' wrapped filming in late November, and a teaser trailer didn't arrive until 2 months later on January 30th, around almost 5 months before its release.

      And I don't expect (almost) all characters to be revealed before the movie comes out, since I'd assume some of them are held for when the movie actually comes out, for the sake of spoilers. But if they are, there is still NYCC coming up for that (assuming Marvel Studios will be there with them choosing to be absent at SDCC).

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    • Why would they be spoilers, though? Unless Ben Mendelsohn is playing, like, Herr Kleiser or something, what's the harm in telling us the name of his character?

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    • Not sure if it's even true to begin with, but he is apparently playing Yon-Rogg (according to the Hashtag Show in passing, which may or may not be reliable, but Hulkophile added it recently). And I can't tell you why they wouldn't make it more clear, since I don't know their reasoning (Yon-Rogg isn't that big of a character), but it's probably for a good reason, and not because they don't care. They have their reasons for keeping certain roles undisclosed.

      And apart from Lashana Lynch (who is either playing Monica Rambeau, or according to some rumors a female version of Rick Jones in the movie), none of the other confirmed actors are that big of names to where people would care about who they're playing, unless of course they are playing big ones that they're holding off for now.

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    • If it was, I think I'd be able to find something else supporting it. But I got nothin'.

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    • A genderbent, racebent Rick Jones? Huh, I like it.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: A genderbent, racebent Rick Jones? Huh, I like it.

      At first I was like "Why?" (regarding introducing Rick Jones the character specifically, not the character being race- or genderbent), but then I remembered how he played a part in the comics relating to Captain Marvel and the Kree-Skrull war. So if they're not gonna use Rick for the Hulk in the MCU (other than a passing mention in 'The Incredible Hulk', and the non-canon appearance in the video game), it might as well be for Captain Marvel.

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    • And I'll take it back. Of the actors that still have undisclosed roles for 'Captain Marvel', it's not just Lashana Lynch that's the biggest name out of them (although DeWanda Wise would've been a way bigger name if she stuck around), but also Vik Sahay, mainly for his role in the show 'Chuck'. Other than those two, I've no idea who the other actors are, so I'm not holding my breath dying to know who they'll be playing before the movie comes out.

      Although based on that behind-the-scenes video where we first saw Brie Larson in the black-and-green suit, I'm betting Robert Kazinsky is playing a Skrull, most likely a minor unnamed one.

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    • KalKent wrote: And I'll take it back. Of the actors that still have undisclosed roles for 'Captain Marvel', it's not just Lashana Lynch that's the biggest name out of them (although DeWanda Wise would've been a way bigger name if she stuck around), but also Vik Sahay, mainly for his role in the show 'Chuck'. Other than those two, I've no idea who the other actors are, so I'm not holding my breath dying to know who they'll be playing before the movie comes out.

      Although based on that behind-the-scenes video where we first saw Brie Larson in the black-and-green suit, I'm betting Robert Kazinsky is playing a Skrull, most likely a minor unnamed one.

      Assuming That Hashtag Show is legit. Still looking into that.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: And I'll take it back. Of the actors that still have undisclosed roles for 'Captain Marvel', it's not just Lashana Lynch that's the biggest name out of them (although DeWanda Wise would've been a way bigger name if she stuck around), but also Vik Sahay, mainly for his role in the show 'Chuck'. Other than those two, I've no idea who the other actors are, so I'm not holding my breath dying to know who they'll be playing before the movie comes out.

      Although based on that behind-the-scenes video where we first saw Brie Larson in the black-and-green suit, I'm betting Robert Kazinsky is playing a Skrull, most likely a minor unnamed one.

      Assuming That Hashtag Show is legit. Still looking into that.

      I always apply skepticism whenever sites like that claim "we got a report from an insider", if it's not Deadline or Hollywood Reporter, although I can't name every rumor and claim they've reported that turned out to be true or false. For all I know, Mendelsohn being Yon-Rogg might just be a case of telephone, where it once appeared on IMDB but got deleted, but not before it started circulating.

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    • KalKent wrote: I always apply skepticism whenever sites like that claim "we got a report from an insider", if it's not Deadline or Hollywood Reporter, although I can't name every rumor and claim they've reported that turned out to be true or false. For all I know, Mendelsohn being Yon-Rogg might just be a case of telephone, where it once appeared on IMDB but got deleted, but not before it started circulating.

      It appears to come from an earlier report of theirs'.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: A genderbent, racebent Rick Jones? Huh, I like it.

      At first I was like "Why?" (regarding introducing Rick Jones the character specifically, not the character being race- or genderbent), but then I remembered how he played a part in the comics relating to Captain Marvel and the Kree-Skrull war. So if they're not gonna use Rick for the Hulk in the MCU (other than a passing mention in 'The Incredible Hulk', and the non-canon appearance in the video game), it might as well be for Captain Marvel.

      Honestly, I was hoping he'd be used in Jessica Jones, due to her second arc being about finding him (or rather, an imposter claiming to be him). In the comics, they're not cousins (though the impostor claims they are), so I wouldn't mind them actually being cousins in the MCU.

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    • Another actor I've seen supposedly confirmed for 'Captain Marvel' is Colin Ford supposedly being cast as Carol's brother (either Steve or Joseph Jr.). Although the only mention on Wikipedia was referencing a passing mention in a ComicBook.com article, but Ford did once tweet an article talking about Captain Marvel, along with him retweeting a tweet about the movie being on his IMDB page, so I guess that kind of is a confirmation if not a direct one.

      EDIT: And also apparently Chuku Modu (of 'Game of Thrones' and 'The Good Doctor' fame) was cast according to IMDB news cast in the movie. No idea if it's true or not, since everyone else cites IMDB regarding that news. Although they previously reported before anyone else that Winston Duke and Letitia Wright would appear 'Infinity War', as M'Baku and Shuri respectively (the latter of which confirmed it on Twitter when they tweeted about it), so I don't know if they've gotten things wrong before regarding their news articles.

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    • KalKent wrote: Another actor I've seen supposedly confirmed for 'Captain Marvel' is Colin Ford supposedly being cast as Carol's brother (either Steve or Joseph Jr.). Although the only mention on Wikipedia was referencing a passing mention in a ComicBook.com article, but Ford did once tweet an article talking about Captain Marvel, along with him retweeting a tweet about the movie being on his IMDB page, so I guess that kind of is a confirmation if not a direct one.

      EDIT: And also apparently Chuku Modu (of 'Game of Thrones' and 'The Good Doctor' fame) was cast according to IMDB news cast in the movie. No idea if it's true or not, since everyone else cites IMDB regarding that news. Although they previously reported before anyone else that Winston Duke and Letitia Wright would appear 'Infinity War', as M'Baku and Shuri respectively (the latter of which confirmed it on Twitter when they tweeted about it), so I don't know if they've gotten things wrong before regarding their news articles.

      Now I want to know why all the news for Captain Marvel seems to be coming from more dubious sources...

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    • Not exactly "all news for Captain Marvel", since for lesser known actors that are for (presumably) smaller roles that are non-disclosed, it seems to be from minor sources (much like with 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' right before it came out, Langston Fishburne and Michael Cerveris' roles were leaked). While the big actors have been confirmed via big ones Marvel.com, Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline Hollywood, and Entertainment Weekly, along with for the crew behind the scenes like composer.

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    • KalKent wrote: Not exactly "all news for Captain Marvel", since for lesser known actors that are for (presumably) smaller roles that are non-disclosed, it seems to be from minor sources (much like with 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' right before it came out, Langston Fishburne and Michael Cerveris' roles were leaked). While the big actors have been confirmed via big ones Marvel.com, Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline Hollywood, and Entertainment Weekly, along with for the crew behind the scenes like composer.

      But the big actors' roles for the most part were not. Jude Law's was slowly revealed, and Gemma Chan was announced as Minn-Erva, but for the rest we've had to rely on lesser-known sources.

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    • True regarding newly introduced characters for the movie. Although I might be misremembering, but I don't remember Jude Law not being said to be Mar-Vell when it was going around he was joining the cast, but I could be wrong.

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    • KalKent wrote: True regarding newly introduced characters for the movie. Although I might be misremembering, but I don't remember Jude Law not being said to be Mar-Vell when it was going around he was joining the cast, but I could be wrong.

      Law's role being Mar-Vell was first rumored and then slowly made its way into other news. I'm not certain if Marvel themselves have even said anything about it. Going back to the press release, none of the primary cast members (other than Brie Larson) have their roles specified.

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    • In other news, 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' is put on hold for an indefinite amount of time, as it already had prepared with pre-production, which I'm guessing means it probably won't have a 2020 release date.

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    • KalKent wrote: In other news, 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' is put on hold for an indefinite amount of time, as it already had prepared with pre-production, which I'm guessing means it probably won't have a 2020 release date.

      Uh-oh. That can only mean bad news. Kind of like with Pixar's Newt (albeit for a totally different reason), it might result in Guardians Vol. 3 getting cancelled. And while I trust Marvel more than any other studio to work around that development, it still leaves me worried.

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    • It's true that studios have recovered from way worse things, and I wouldn't count Marvel out at this point yet. As long as they get a good replacement director, and possibly use Gunn's finished script (after having gone through drafts), then it should be fine in the end. And if it gets delayed to 2021, it should be fine also since 4 years between sequels has happened to their movies before. The only way I would be really worried and have no faith in recovering, is if Feige would be no longer involved in the movies, either through getting fired for behaviour, or leaving because of creative differences (which I've heard, he apparently supported Disney's decision, probably for PR and marketing reasons).

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    • Interestingly, that article I linked mentioned how Taika Waititi has had talks with Marvel Studios about an upcoming project, though it remains to be seen if it's for 'GotG Vol. 3' as replacement director or not. Whenever I hear "this person is in talks to helm and/or join a project," I don't take it for granted anymore that it's confirmed they will actually work on it. Like when Antoine Fuqua mentioned in passing during an interview that he had been talking to Feige at one point.

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    • Also, regarding 'Captain Marvel', Lee Pace just tweeted this.

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    • KalKent wrote: Also, regarding 'Captain Marvel', Lee Pace just tweeted this.

      Is it just him walking with a hat with the logo on it or am I missing something?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Also, regarding 'Captain Marvel', Lee Pace just tweeted this.

      Is it just him walking with a hat with the logo on it or am I missing something?

      Correct. Mainly showcasing he's excited for the movie that he's part of. I don't know how contracts work, but maybe he got the go ahead from marketing and his manager that he could tweet it at this time to hype the movie up.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Also, regarding 'Captain Marvel', Lee Pace just tweeted this.

      Is it just him walking with a hat with the logo on it or am I missing something?

      Correct. Mainly showcasing he's excited for the movie that he's part of. I don't know how contracts work, but maybe he got the go ahead from marketing and his manager that he could tweet it at this time to hype the movie up.

      He does appear to be near a Roman aqueduct, so maybe this is just a way of saying that they are filming in Italy or something, a la Tom Holland leaking the Far From Home title.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Also, regarding 'Captain Marvel', Lee Pace just tweeted this.

      Is it just him walking with a hat with the logo on it or am I missing something?

      Correct. Mainly showcasing he's excited for the movie that he's part of. I don't know how contracts work, but maybe he got the go ahead from marketing and his manager that he could tweet it at this time to hype the movie up.

      He does appear to be near a Roman aqueduct, so maybe this is just a way of saying that they are filming in Italy or something, a la Tom Holland leaking the Far From Home title.

      For reshoots maybe, or he's simply vacationing in Europe when he made that video. Although if he's doing reshoots as Ronan, unless for the scenes the character is using camo or something, I would think he would be under heavy blue make-up (possibly with black war paint), unless it's before or after shooting.

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    • First piece of merch for 'Captain Marvel' has appeared in the form of notebooks. Along with the sponsorships it had before it even finished filming (Levi's, Vans, and the 2018 Winter Olympics), it already has better marketing than 'Wonder Woman'.

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    • It was pointed out a while ago to me, that Clark Gregg posted a picture of the number 15 on Instagram. Some say it's 15 time units (days, months or years) of Gregg being free from alcohol, but some say it's a countdown to the 'Captain Marvel' trailer. It was posted on the 20th of August, so remains to be seen if it arrives on the 4th of September.

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    • Gregg is alcohol-free? That's really cool, good for him. I didn't even know he had a problem.

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    • Another Instagram post by Sam Jackson in the UK, for 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' and/or reshoots for 'Avengers 4', with his Nick Fury facial hair being applied.

      And I just realized that in 2019, Jackson will be portraying Fury in 3 Marvel movies in a row that year (assuming he's in 'Avengers 4', which I'm guessing he is since his 'Infinity War' appearance was uncredited). Essentially making up for the 3 year gap between between being in movies with that role, from 'Age of Ultron' in 2015, to 'Infinity War' in 2018.

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    • Good. It's been a while since they've really done anything with Nick Fury.

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    • Yeah, in roles where he's not just a cameo at the end teasing something big happening. Jackson did voice disappointment that he wasn't in 'Black Panther', so maybe that's something they'll make happen in the sequel for it (which would make it 4 movies in a row).

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    • KalKent wrote: Yeah, in roles where he's not just a cameo at the end teasing something big happening. Jackson did voice disappointment that he wasn't in 'Black Panther', so maybe that's something they'll make happen in the sequel for it (which would make it 4 movies in a row).

      TBH, I don't see how they would be able to have fit Nick Fury into Black Panther, unless they were to replace Everett Ross with him (which I don't think would have worked out well). I could see him as a guiding force in Civil War (which Jackson also wanted to be part of), but Black Panther was a very centralized narrative, and I'm betting the sequel will be the same. I was actually kind of disappointed that Cap didn't have a cameo in Black Panther, given that the Civil War post-credits scene implied that was where his entire team was seeking asylum, and also because it would be hilarious to have both former Human Torches share a scene together. Then again, Chris Evans has been in one MCU movie per year since his introduction in 2011 - two of which were cameos - so it may have been asking too much from a guy that's already planning to leave.

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    • During the events of 'Black Panther', I was under the idea that Steve and his team of "secret Avengers" was doing stuff in the world (not just like shown in 'Infinity War' but also #1 of the 'Infinity War' prelude comic), so I wasn't bothered that they didn't show up to stop Killmonger & co.

      And yeah, Fury in 'Black Panther' wouldn't have made sense with what they wrote. Especially since if I remember correctly, Fury is still in hiding after faking his death post 'Winter Soldier' and the fall of S.H.I.E.L.D.. Unless there was something to the post-credit scene of 'Infinity War' that says he isn't (which might be explained in the 'Captain Marvel' prelude comic or not).

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    • Brie Larson recently tweeted this. Last time one of their actors tweeted something like that was RDJ with making 'Infinity War' release 1 week earlier in the US.

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    • FTA:

      • Not an origin story, the movie begins with Carol having her powers
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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: FTA:

      • Not an origin story, the movie begins with Carol having her powers

      A bit dissapointing for the first one, since I was hoping it would do DC's 'Green Lantern' movie but way better. But again, we didn't get an origin story for Black Panther (not of T'Challa inheriting the mantle of Black Panther from his father (which was covered in the prelude comic), but we did get the origin story of him inheriting the throne), which I'm fine with, and I'm fairly certain the general audience is tired of origin stories of superheroes in movies in general.

      And Mendelsohn as Talos, was kinda what people predicted of him playing a Skrull. Though no idea where lesser sources like The Hashtag Show got the idea he was playing Yon-Rogg from.

      And with Carol being in Mar-Vell's Starforce, maybe that's how we're introduced to Minn-Erva with them being team members and then going against each other (much like Thor and Loki, and Strange and Mordo).

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    • And here are way more images, including the Skrulls, Ronan, Nick Fury, Jude Law, the Starforce, and Lashana Lynch as Maria Rambeau (the mother of a young daughter).

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    • "This is not a superhero who's perfect or otherworldly or has some godlike connection," says Boden, who's the MCU's first female director. "But what makes her special is just how human she is. She's funny, but doesn't always tell good jokes. And she can be headstrong and reckless and doesn’t always make the perfect decisions for herself. But at her core, she has so much heart and so much humanity — and all of its messiness."

      Obviously, she works for the bad guys. They're not exactly hiding that Korath and Ronan are on her team. And describing Jude Law's character as "enigmatic" just screams third act face-heel turn.

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    • I'm predicting at first they're supporting characters, but towards the end the reason the Kree wants to go to war with the Skrulls is over who will take over Earth, thereby making Carol (and maybe Mar-Vell with his Walter Lawson identity) work against both sides (with S.H.I.E.L.D. and Fury). And since the images shows Talos disguised as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, I wonder if it will be a named one from the comics.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      I'm predicting at first they're supporting characters, but towards the end the reason the Kree wants to go to war with the Skrulls is over who will take over Earth, thereby making Carol (and maybe Mar-Vell with his Walter Lawson identity) work against both sides (with S.H.I.E.L.D. and Fury).

      Maybe the whole Skrull invasion is something Mar-Vell helped concoct to justify a Kree invasion of Earth. Maybe he wants to take a scorched-earth approach to this due to the Skrulls' shape-shifting abilities, and Carol is not OK with that. Either way, I'd wager Carol's arc in this movie is to go from a Kree soldier who thinks she's doing the right thing to a cosmic hero who knows she is.

      And since the images shows Talos disguised as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, I wonder if it will be a named one from the comics.

      Maybe I was on to something with Herr Kleiser.

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      KalKent wrote:
      And since the images shows Talos disguised as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, I wonder if it will be a named one from the comics.

      Maybe I was on to something with Herr Kleiser.

      Plot twist being that Talos is actually a Chitauri (even though they haven't been shown to be shapeshifters in the MCU), and he's a cannibal.

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    • With DeWanda Wise originally planned for the role of Maria Rambeau, I hope it means she might be cast as Monica in a future movie, assuming her schedule gets better so 'She's Gotta Have It' won't come into conflict again.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:
      And since the images shows Talos disguised as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, I wonder if it will be a named one from the comics.

      Maybe I was on to something with Herr Kleiser.

      Plot twist being that Talos is actually a Chitauri (even though they haven't been shown to be shapeshifters in the MCU), and he's a cannibal.

      Didn't the Ultimate Universe establish the Chitauri as being an off-shoot of the Skrulls? I would love for the MCU to include that bit of lore.

      Also, I really don't want Mar-Vell to be a villain. Let him be a bad ass love interest, like Peggy or Pepper or Nakia. (Then again, we still don't know if he's Mar-Vell, but I mean... C'mon.)

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Didn't the Ultimate Universe establish the Chitauri as being an off-shoot of the Skrulls? I would love for the MCU to include that bit of lore.

      Also, I really don't want Mar-Vell to be a villain. Let him be a bad ass love interest, like Peggy or Pepper or Nakia. (Then again, we still don't know if he's Mar-Vell, but I mean... C'mon.)

      They did in 616. Maybe in the MCU they establish the Chitauri were Skrulls that were corrupted by Thanos or something.

      The only reason I would have a problem with Mar-Vell being the villain in a movie starring Carol Danvers, is it brings up the question of why Carol would call herself Captain Marvel (assuming she will). Jude Law's character being "enigmatic" (difficult to interpret or understand, and mysterious) might be of his origin, maybe relating to him presumably being a Kree that doesn't have blue skin (making him and Korath the minority of that), but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion he might be an opposing force to Carol, especially not with him being described as her mentor. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason he wants to stop the fight between Kree and Skrulls, is because he's the spawn of both of them.

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      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Didn't the Ultimate Universe establish the Chitauri as being an off-shoot of the Skrulls? I would love for the MCU to include that bit of lore.

      Also, I really don't want Mar-Vell to be a villain. Let him be a bad ass love interest, like Peggy or Pepper or Nakia. (Then again, we still don't know if he's Mar-Vell, but I mean... C'mon.)

      They did in 616. Maybe in the MCU they establish the Chitauri were Skrulls that were corrupted by Thanos or something.

      The only reason I would have a problem with Mar-Vell being the villain in a movie starring Carol Danvers, is it brings up the question of why Carol would call herself Captain Marvel (assuming she will). Jude Law's character being "enigmatic" (difficult to interpret or understand, and mysterious) might be of his origin, maybe relating to him presumably being a Kree that doesn't have blue skin (making him and Korath the minority of that), but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion he might be an opposing force to Carol, especially not with him being described as her mentor. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason he wants to stop the fight between Kree and Skrulls, is because he's the spawn of both of them.

      Well, there are "pink" (aka flesh-colored) Kree, and Blue Kree. So Jude playing Mar-Vell, a pink Kree, wouldn't make him unusual. It would also explain Korath, since pink Kree (ironically) would encompass darker skin tones like that, I assume.

      As for him possibly being a Kree-Skrull hybrid, I would hope they save that unique status for Hulkling.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Also, I really don't want Mar-Vell to be a villain. Let him be a bad ass love interest, like Peggy or Pepper or Nakia. (Then again, we still don't know if he's Mar-Vell, but I mean... C'mon.)

      We know he's Carol's mentor. And there's a big age difference there. He's not going to be her love interest. If anything, he'll be like a father figure to her. Because every Marvel movie has "fatherhood" as a theme.

      As for why she would call herself "Captain Marvel" if Mar-Vell is a villain... well, that's a problem that would still exist even if he's not, as I expect, the movie's secret antagonist. Why would she call herself her mentor's name if that's not an alias? It's got to be that someone just thinks it is and then calls her that and she embraces it.

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    • A bit off-topic, but recently it came out that Shane Black for his upcoming movie 'The Predator', had his friend in a cameo appearance in a scene, which Fox chose to cut because said friend is a registered sex offender, which Black knew about. Said friend, Steven Wilder Striegel, also appeared in 'Iron Man 3', which Black directed. Since I've only seen 'Iron Man 3' once, I can't pinpoint which scene, but that's something to keep in mind once I get around to re-watching it.

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    • According to the MCU Wiki, he played Annoyed Mandarin Guard.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: According to the MCU Wiki, he played Annoyed Mandarin Guard.

      Presumably not as big of a stand-out like the scene in 'The Predator' that was cut, judging by the description of it.

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    • I kinda want the Skrulls to be even greener, but other than that the pictures look really nice, particularly the Captain Marvel costume. I'm kinda skeptical about the movie not being an origin story, since unlike Spider-Man the story isn't that well-known and unlike him and Black Panther there isn't an extra movie to give us context. My guess is, they'll rework her story to make it feel like less of an origin, while keeping origin elements (kind of like the aforementioned heroes); basically, what LoveWaffle said.

      I don't think they're going to turn Mar-Vell into a villain; that might feel rather forced, especially given they're probably going to do that with half of Carol's squad anyways. I'm absolutely certain he will die though - even if it isn't by cancer.

      As for Maria Rambeau, they'll probably introduce Monica Rambeau in the sequel, now being Carol's age due to spacetime. She probably won't serve as Captain Marvel's replacement though; Kamala Khan (who we probably won't see until Phase 5) is basically on everyone's radar for that distinction.

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    • What if Jude Law isn't playing Mar-Vell after all? Others online have brought up how weird it is that the EW preview doesn't mention his character by name. It almost seems to avoid doing so. And it doesn't look like Marvel or Disney have ever directly referred to his character as Mar-Vell, either.

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    • When Variety got the exclusive scoop on Law joining the cast, they referred to him playing that character.

      "Law will be playing Doctor Walter Lawson, a.k.a. Mar-Vell, who becomes a mentor of sorts to Danvers as she tries to figure out her new powers."

      They also noted how "Marvel had no comment", but I don't really take Variety as getting things wrong like that, although they might've just jumped to conclusion. Even so, based on the descriptions, I've no idea who else Law could be playing (other than possibly even Genis-Vell).

      My guess as to why Marvel or Disney hasn't referred to him as Mar-Vell (assuming that's who he's playing), is to not give the casual audience the idea that he's the main focus of the movie, just because he's technically the title character.

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    • Or because they're fine with us being mistaken about who he's playing because they want it to be a surprise anyway. As long as we keep thinking his character is Mar-Vell, we're never going to speculate that his character is actually Yon-Rogg, or something like that.

      The direction they're going with this seems to preclude the "Walter Lawson" part, too.

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    • Kinda reminds me of Cumberbatch being Khan in 'Star Trek Into Darkness', and Christoph Waltz being Blofeld in 'Spectre'. Although the biggest difference being Marvel hasn't come out denying Law is playing Mar-Vell, which the two examples I mentioned, it was denied just for the purpose of not spoiling it.

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    • In this case, denying he's playing Mar-Vell seems like it would be the spoiler. If the identity of his character is supposed to be a surprise and it isn't Mar-Vell, then they have every reason to let us keep thinking it is Mar-Vell until the movie's out. Then Kevin Feige can turn around and say "Well, we never said he was Mar-Vell..."

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    • Sometimes being silent on it is louder, especially when there is a major source that's already pointing towards it.

      I find it surprising how much of the average movie-goer, don't look up things before going to see a movie. At most they look up when it comes out, review scores on sites like Rotten Tomatoes, and the trailer, either online when it first comes out, or in the theaters in front of a different movie (which my sister does, although she says she doesn't watch trailers online to avoid spoilers, even though she has no problem catching them in the theaters).

      Sometimes with the trailers, that's all the info they have. Like with the 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' trailers, people were asking "Is T.I. even in this movie?" just because he wasn't in them, even though casting news confirmed before that he was. So with the average movie-goer going to see 'Captain Marvel', they will see Law is in it based on the trailers and posters, and ask "Who's he playing?", and when it's (presumably) revealed to be Mar-Vell in the movie itself, they'll be surprised and be like "Oh, so he's the namesake!".

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    • Brie Larson will appear on 'Good Morning America' on Tuesday (September 18th), which people are guessing is when the first trailer for 'Captain Marvel' will debut.

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    • KalKent wrote: Brie Larson will appear on 'Good Morning America' on Tuesday (September 17th), which people are guessing is when the first trailer for 'Captain Marvel' will debut.

      The 17th is actually Monday. Not that we're complaining; that means we might get it faster ;) .

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Brie Larson will appear on 'Good Morning America' on Tuesday (September 17th), which people are guessing is when the first trailer for 'Captain Marvel' will debut.

      The 17th is actually Monday. Not that we're complaining; that means we might get it faster ;) .

      Yeah sorry.

      There was also this which apparently confirms the trailer will debut that day.

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    • It's here!

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    • Carol punched an old lady

      That's going to be the internet's takeaway from this.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Carol punched an old lady

      That's going to be the internet's takeaway from this.

      #OutOfContextMarvel

      The obvious guess is that the context being the lady is a Skrull, and somehow Carol is able to detect that. That is one way to make people want to see the movie just to learn why.

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    • Also this teaser poster (notice something on the bottom left part of it?)

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    • It's Chewie.

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    • The upcoming promo materials like the posters will be a game of "Where's Chewie". Which kinda gives me an idea how it plays out in the movie itself.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Carol punched an old lady

      That's going to be the internet's takeaway from this.

      #OutOfContextMarvel

      The obvious guess is that the context being the lady is a Skrull, and somehow Carol is able to detect that. That is one way to make people want to see the movie just to learn why.

      Unfortunate that the trailer does nothing to sell that.

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    • Not really much here, it’s just a teaser, but it does feel like they could have gone a bit further, and parts like the music synchronization and the “her” dissolving into “a hero” feeling a little tacky. The way they’re setting up the origin also looks good, with it being in a series of flashbacks, and I’m loving how they’re keeping the headgear for the costume. Of course, I’ll definitely have to see more before I get a full opinion.

      LoveWaffle wrote: Carol punched an old lady

      That's going to be the internet's takeaway from this.

      That, and Blockbuster.

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    • I have kind of a sick sense of humour so when I saw that I couldn't stop laughing. I was hyped before but that really sealed the deal.

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    • In my opinion, I thought the teaser is great. To me it hits a good middle-ground of not showing too much (since it's just teasing), but also enough to where one knows what to kinda expect and get excited for it. And with the "HERo" thing, I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out (I'm the same person who never noticed the X being highlighted on the 20th Century Fox logo in front of the X-Men movies). But even then, I liked it, since it shows they're aware how the movie isn't like their previous ones, and letting the female fans be excited.

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    • I'm just yet to be "wow"ed by this project. Brie Larson's the only interesting get in the cast, except for maybe Annette Bening who as far as I can tell isn't visible in the promos. The rest are people I haven't heard of or have agents hard at work getting them in as many tentpoles as they can. The trailer lacks any big action beats and quotable lines; Carol punching an old lady (who's probably a Skrull but the trailer does nothing to sell that) shouldn't be the thing everyone's talking about. Nor does it present a unique visual hook like we saw from Black Panther and Doctor Strange.

      Not that I'm actively disliking what I'm seeing, but it seems like the movie's leaning mostly on Brie Larson, de-aged Sam Jackson, and 90s references to sell it, and those only go so far for me.

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    • Within the first 24 hours, the 'Captain Marvel' got 109 million views (across YouTube, Facebook and Twitter combined).

      Movies it beat were both trailers for 'Cap: Civil War', and the teasers for 'GotG Vol. 2' and 'Black Panther'. While behind both trailers for 'Infinity War', and the teaser for 'Thor: Ragnarok' (interesting list to look at).

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    • TIL there's a Wikipedia list for anything.

      Pretty good for a movie no one wants staring a character no one likes.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: TIL there's a Wikipedia list for anything.

      Pretty good for a movie no one wants staring a character no one likes.

      Comparing it with the viewing numbers for 'Black Panther', and the release date, it's obvious it will be another flop for them, much like 'Ant-Man and the Wasp'./s

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    • With him being named the "Most powerful person in entertainment" by Hollywood Reporter (in which Kevin Feige ended up at #6 out of 100), Disney CEO Bob Iger did an interview with them.

      Of note regarding the topic of this thread, was the decision of firing of James Gunn (which he supports and haven't second-guessed it along with firing Roseanne Barr), and that once the Fox acquisition goes through they will let Feige oversee the Marvel properties they got back from Fox.

      "How is Marvel going to absorb Fox’s X-Men franchise? Is Kevin Feige going to oversee everything?

      I think it only makes sense. I want to be careful here because of what's been communicated to the Fox folks, but I think they know. It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.

      So Deadpool could become an Avenger?

      Kevin's got a lot of ideas. I'm not suggesting that's one of them. But who knows?"

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    • It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.

      Poor Jeph Loeb.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.

      Poor Jeph Loeb.

      Not exactly how I interpreted it, but I wouldn't be surprised if so. Remains to be seen if the rumor about the merging of Marvel Studios and Television is true or not with the arrival of Disney's streaming service, and their mature stuff being on Hulu.

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    • For some reason, Hasbro's Captain Marvel figures still only refer to Jude Law's character as "Starforce Commander."

      Make of this what you will.

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    • Recently, Colin Campbell, an employee of Digital Design (who did the visuals for most of Thanos' scenes except the Titan battle, which was done by Peter Jackson's Weta Digital), shared some thoughts with my college class on working on Infinity War. According to him, the Soulworld theory of the snapped heroes going to the Soulworld is true, and he was the one who pitched the Soulworld's visual design, which was based on a shot from the movie Hereafter (originally after scrapping the Vormir idea, they were going to have the Soulworld running with the blood of Thanos's victims, but Marvel felt this was too dark and instead went with Campbell's design). He also admitted to an error: when Cap is punching Thanos, his shields (which were actually CGI) disappear in the shot where he grabs the gauntlet. Just a few fun facts in there.

      Nurdboy42 wrote: TIL there's a Wikipedia list for anything.

      Pretty good for a movie no one wants staring a character no one likes.

      You'll be surprised. I know that Carol's had a pretty rocky comics history, even before Civil War II (didn't she go full Oedipus at one point?), but people are incredibly excited for this movie. Part of that is admittedly from female fans wanting the Marvel version of Wonder Woman, but that's still a sizable portion of the audience, and therefore can't be overlooked. Plus, most of the people who go to see MCU movies have never picked up a comic in their life. I'm currently studying Marvel's business practices in college, and with all due respect, the majority of my classmates are females who only really care about the popular stuff (in fact, I've pretty much been labeled as the class nerd, for better or for worse), and it's really telling when in a vote, the class's favorite Marvel character was one that no one outside of mid-2000s comic readers knew about until a few months ago (Shuri). The fact of the matter is, there are more of those kinds of casuals than there are us, which isn't necessarily a bad thing; in fact, from a monetary perspective, it's for the best.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote:

      It only makes sense for Marvel to be supervised by one entity. There shouldn't be two Marvels.

      Poor Jeph Loeb.

      Not exactly how I interpreted it, but I wouldn't be surprised if so. Remains to be seen if the rumor about the merging of Marvel Studios and Television is true or not with the arrival of Disney's streaming service, and their mature stuff being on Hulu.

      Them merging Studios and Television is the best possible timeline. This isn't that. This is only going to further the divide between Studios and Television. I want to be optimistic and hopeful, but... I really can't see it happening, no matter how badly I want it to.

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    • On the topic of the Eternals movie getting a director, I wonder once it gets a release date, if it will incentivise DC/WB to move full steam ahead with their New Gods movie (another Jack Kirby creation) directed by Ava DuVernay or not. If so, it will be interesting to see when they will come out, and it will be more than just a coincidence than 'Captain Marvel' and 'Shazam' being a month apart from each other.

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    • While merging film and television might seem good, we have to remember why Marvel Studios left Marvel Entertainment in the first place. As usual, it was Perlmutter being Perlmutter. In other words, it's not as good as the alternative.

      KalKent wrote: On the topic of the Eternals movie getting a director, I wonder once it gets a release date, if it will incentivise DC/WB to move full steam ahead with their New Gods movie (another Jack Kirby creation) directed by Ava DuVernay or not. If so, it will be interesting to see when they will come out, and it will be more than just a coincidence than 'Captain Marvel' and 'Shazam' being a month apart from each other.

      All I can say is, if Marvel ends up losing TWO female directors to DC (Patty Jenkins left Thor: The Dark World due to creative differences), that would be really something.

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    • Hopefully it doesn't come to that. As much as I'm a fan of these movies, I do feel that in terms of trying new things and such, they didn't go all the way with it until Phase 3. Not just with diversity on who's in front and behind the camera, but also with what their movies are about (the mysticism of 'Doctor Strange', and the cosmic with 'Thor: Ragnarok', both 'Guardians of the Galaxy' movies, and the upcoming 'Captain Marvel').

      Therefore, they are willing to change things up, and I don't think they will risk parting ways with Zhao over minor, or possibly even major differences.

      And the way Jenkins is killing it working on Wonder Woman with DC/WB, I don't think they're willing to risk losing an opportunity like that again.

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    • So... X-Men: Dark Phoenix is still happening.

      Dark Phoenix - Official Trailer Global Premiere

      Dark Phoenix - Official Trailer Global Premiere

      I like how the trailer uses a song that more or less explicitly references how this is the last X-Men movie before Kevin Feige takes over.

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    • If this is supposed to be "cosmic," why does 95% of it take place in Podunk, Nowhere?

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    • Not exactly on topic regarding this thread, but it's interesting to think it's the end of an era (although pretty sad considering it was originally supposedly planned to be either a two-parter, or the start of a new trilogy, which was probably one of the reasons it went through reshoots).

      Although not exactly a good sign for the movie when some of the first reactions I've seen are "Oh great, they're doing The Last Stand again!?" (with the same guy, Kinberg, behind it).

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: If this is supposed to be "cosmic," why does 95% of it take place in Podunk, Nowhere?

      Because we all know having superhero movies be cosmic is very hard. We shouldn't hold that high type of standard to Fox and their Marvel movies.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Nurdboy42 wrote: If this is supposed to be "cosmic," why does 95% of it take place in Podunk, Nowhere?

      Because we all know having superhero movies be cosmic is very hard. We shouldn't hold that high type of standard to Fox and their Marvel movies.

      Everyone place your bets on if Magneto's stupid little island community is supposed to be Genosha or Asteroid M.

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    • Of note while looking at the credits, is that Bryan Singer is no longer credited as one of the (regular) producers for the movie. Probably for the same reason back when it was reported he wouldn't have an executive producer credit for the second season of 'The Gifted' (I don't watch the show so I can't confirm that myself with the recent episode).

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: While merging film and television might seem good, we have to remember why Marvel Studios left Marvel Entertainment in the first place. As usual, it was Perlmutter being Perlmutter. In other words, it's not as good as the alternative.

      The rumors are that Studios is absorbing Television, thus taking it away from Entertainment. So no, Perlmutter is no longer a factor if these rumors are true, which they very likely are not.

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      • Gambit isn't happening
      • PG-13 cut of Deadpool 2
      • I have no ****ing idea what's going on with them
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    • Apparently the PG-13 cut of 'Deadpool 2' (slated as "untitled Deadpool film" which is confusing, especially with this recent tweet from Ryan Reynolds) is for the Chinese market, which apparently doesn't allow R-rated movies (although I don't remember either 'Deadpool 1' or 'Logan' needing that). But it does show how little confidence Fox has in their movies that hasn't come out yet, that they'd rather delay those and re-release a cut down version of their previous movie for more money (although I it does kinda take the piss out of DC/WB with their 'Aquaman' movie coming out the same day as that re-release).

      And it's obvious that this came out of nowhere, since both the poster and trailer for 'Dark Phoenix' has the February 14 date as part of them.

      I'm just as confused as Evan Peters right now.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      • Gambit isn't happening

      Not according to Simon Kinberg, who claims it will be a romantic comedy. It's kinda doubtful it will come out, since apparently the assimilation of Fox by Disney will start by the summer of 2019 (assuming they are cleared for it), which may or may not affect movies they have planned.

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    • Yeah... it's not happening.

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    • I guarantee you that the PG-13 cut of Deadpool 2 is a test run to see if Deadpool can still be funny while playing with the MCU's rulebook. If it's successful, you can expect to see Ryan Reynolds standing side-by-side with Chris Evans and RDJ. If not, they'll probably keep him (because DUH), but keep his movies isolated, if not downright non-canon.

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      • The trailer looks fine, I guess. Of the three X-Men movies that were supposed to come out this year, this is the one I'm least looking forward to. I just hope it ties everything up with Logan and leaves the franchise in the hands of Disney, regardless of the quality.
      • If Gambit does happen, it'll probably be under Disney's watch. That would also mean scrapping the rom-com idea (similar to how they scrapped the original plot of Toy Story 3 when they bought Pixar), but that might actually be better if they also put Rogue in there or something.
      • I'm betting Magneto's house is going to be Utopia.

      The funny thing is, the Joker movie is actually the one that gets better and better as more info is revealed. And that one doesn't come out for another year.

      KalKent wrote: Of note while looking at the credits, is that Bryan Singer is no longer credited as one of the (regular) producers for the movie. Probably for the same reason back when it was reported he wouldn't have an executive producer credit for the second season of 'The Gifted' (I don't watch the show so I can't confirm that myself with the recent episode).

      It probably has more to do with the #MeToo movement (since he's been in hot water for a much longer period of time than most), or the general hostility he's been showing that got him fired from Bohemian Rhapsody.

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    • Venom reviews are coming in.

      They're not good.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Venom reviews are coming in.

      They're not good.

      As if any of us are surprised.

      The good news is, they don't appear to have connected this movie to any other aside from the sequel, so we don't have to worry about the MCU getting ruined or anything. Also, I'm already spending my money on a totally different superhero movie this weekend (My Hero Academia Two Heroes), so my wallet is definitely happy.

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    • I've read a bunch of reviews. The biggest take-away isn't that it's bad, since that was kinda expected, but that it will be fun bad at least.

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    • Oh no, then people will flock to it just to see how bad it is.

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    • "Release the R-rated Hardy cut! Sony is lying about an R-rated cut not existing! The negative reviews are just trolls caping for Lady Gaga!"

      The last part is kinda of a shame, because apparently the movie 'A Star is Born', which comes out on the same day, is apparently really good.

      Although much like with early reactions for 'Justice League', it's not exactly a good sign when its recommended to go in with low expectations for 'Venom' if one wants to enjoy it.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      The last part is kinda of a shame, because apparently the movie 'A Star is Born', which comes out on the same day, is apparently really good.

      Wonder if Kevin Feige's considered getting Bradley Cooper to direct Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. He's already involved with the GotG movies, and his directorial debut is apparently pretty good (I've even heard early Oscar buzz for him specifically).

      Plus, he can finally see what the set looks like!

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      The last part is kinda of a shame, because apparently the movie 'A Star is Born', which comes out on the same day, is apparently really good.

      Wonder if Kevin Feige's considered getting Bradley Cooper to direct Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. He's already involved with the GotG movies, and his directorial debut is apparently pretty good (I've even heard early Oscar buzz for him specifically).

      Plus, he can finally see what the set looks like!

      The first time I heard the idea of him directing 'GotG Vol. 3', which I thought was a great idea, was when he commented denying the rumor of him directing that movie. Although I don't know if it's a case of him not wanting to, or he just hasn't been approached about it, and Marvel has approached other people about it before him.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Venom reviews are coming in.

      They're not good.

      Gasp. I'm shocked. Who could have ever predicted this tragedy? Oh, won't someone save us all?

      lol In other sad as hell news, Chris Evans wrapped on A4 today. His tweet made a lot of people think he spoiled Cap's fate, but all he said was he's honored to have played the character for the past 8 years.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      The last part is kinda of a shame, because apparently the movie 'A Star is Born', which comes out on the same day, is apparently really good.

      Wonder if Kevin Feige's considered getting Bradley Cooper to direct Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. He's already involved with the GotG movies, and his directorial debut is apparently pretty good (I've even heard early Oscar buzz for him specifically).

      Plus, he can finally see what the set looks like!

      I dunno. Of all the Guardians, Cooper (at least to me) seems to be the one who is most likely to bail on the MCU (given that Saldana actually did bail, and Bautista will probably stick around due to them keeping Gunn's script). Every time a new movie is announced with Rocket in it, it takes quite a while for them to actually acknowledge he's voicing Rocket. And besides, his style of comedy seems to tend toward the raunchy side, though he could probably dial that down.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Venom reviews are coming in.

      They're not good.

      Gasp. I'm shocked. Who could have ever predicted this tragedy? Oh, won't someone save us all?

      lol In other sad as hell news, Chris Evans wrapped on A4 today. His tweet made a lot of people think he spoiled Cap's fate, but all he said was he's honored to have played the character for the past 8 years.

      I didn't automatically take it they're gonna kill off the character for good, or even at all. I believe Feige said at some point that if it comes to it, they might recast certain well known character in case they are unable to renew contracts. I don't expect all actors to do that, especially not after 8 years of doing this.

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    • KalKent wrote: I didn't automatically take it they're gonna kill off the character for good, or even at all. I believe Feige said at some point that if it comes to it, they might recast certain well known character in case they are unable to renew contracts. I don't expect all actors to do that, especially not after 8 years of doing this.

      They really better not recast. I will drop the MCU so hard and fast if they do. Cripple him, kill him, replace him with Sam or Bucky but don't recast Chris Evans. (I mean, ideally he gets to live in the forest, being a cute little hermit and enjoying some peace.)

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I didn't automatically take it they're gonna kill off the character for good, or even at all. I believe Feige said at some point that if it comes to it, they might recast certain well known character in case they are unable to renew contracts. I don't expect all actors to do that, especially not after 8 years of doing this.

      They really better not recast. I will drop the MCU so hard and fast if they do. Cripple him, kill him, replace him with Sam or Bucky but don't recast Chris Evans. (I mean, ideally he gets to live in the forest, being a cute little hermit and enjoying some peace.)

      They've recast before, not just small examples like Fandral and the cameo appearance of Thanos, but also big ones like Rhodey Rhodes and the Hulk. Although the last two they were lucky with, since Rhodey in 'Iron Man 1' didn't really get to shine or be memorable in my opinion, in order to make him being replaced by Don Cheadle noticeable, and most people still haven't seen 'The Incredible Hulk' to know Edward Norton used to play Bruce Banner.

      I don't keep track of contracts getting renewed or expired for actors to know how many times that have happened, but apparently RDJ's conracts has expired a total of 3-4 times, before getting renewed. And for his role in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', they made a deal to where he could get paid for it but not count towards the total of movies in his contracts. Hopefully something like that can happen in future roles for the actors.

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    • One thing I was expecting out of 'Ant-Man and the Wasp', that I was a bit disappointed didn't happen, was the potential return of Mitch Carson from the first movie.

      Director Peyton Reed, in the event a third movie happens, wants to revisit that loose thread. If so, it would be cool if they bring up him being affiliated with Hydra that's now gone, and maybe they reveal that he's the contact that Sonny Burch had when he tried to buy the Pym tech from Hope (other than Norman Osborn which some fan theories suggest).

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    • KalKent wrote: One thing I was expecting out of 'Ant-Man and the Wasp', that I was a bit disappointed didn't happen, was the potential return of Mitch Carson from the first movie.

      Director Peyton Reed, in the event a third movie happens, wants to revisit that loose thread. If so, it would be cool if they bring up him being affiliated with Hydra that's now gone, and maybe they reveal that he's the contact that Sonny Burch had when he tried to buy the Pym tech from Hope (other than Norman Osborn which some fan theories suggest).

      I remember seeing that loose thread and thinking, "So, will they resolve that in Civil War or something? Or the sequel?". Because it was a pretty glaring set-up for a sequel, albeit one that lasted just a few seconds. I hope they end up going through that, though it makes me realize that, of all people, Peyton Reed now looks to be the only Marvel director that gets to direct all films in a trilogy.

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    • So by the looks of this, is something 'Avengers 4' related about to drop on an upcoming show of Jimmy Fallon?

      EDIT: Said "spoiler" was the title for 'Avengers 4', which was bleeped during the show.

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    • Venom opened kinda big.

      Guess we'll be seeing more of those.

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    • Well goodbye Tom Holland I guess.

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    • Remains to be seen how big the drop for the second domestic weekend ends up (with the upcoming movies coming up), how much it makes in China, and how much of a profit Sony ends up making out of this (the profit out of 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' was not good enough for them to continue with that, although the problem was they spent too much money on its budget and marketing).

      Universal's 'The Mummy' made double its budget in worldwide gross, and that was still considered a flop enough to kill of their Dark Universe. Although this will be a different story since 'Venom's opening weekend was the entirety of 'The Mummy's domestic gross.

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    • Venom doesn't have much competition until Fantastic Beasts: Still Betting on Depp comes out next month. So for Venom to fall apart, it would have to do it on its own. Its audience skewed so heavily towards one demographic that if word-of-mouth from them can't spread then it very well might.

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    • Remains to be seen, but with their early reactions being very positive, I predict 'First Man' and 'Halloween' will do numbers (especially domestically for the former). As long a there is something else out in theaters around the same time, especially with better critics scores, there is competition. Although of course that's assuming people has to see something in the theaters to begin with, rather than just stay home and watch something else.

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    • KalKent wrote: Remains to be seen, but with their early reactions being very positive, I predict 'First Man' and 'Halloween' will do numbers (especially domestically for the former). As long a there is something else out in theaters around the same time, especially with better critics scores, there is competition. Although of course that's assuming people has to see something in the theaters to begin with, rather than just stay home and watch something else.

      Almost 2/3 of Venom's audience was under the age of 25. I don't see the audience for First Man skewing young like that, and a lot of them can't even get into Halloween.

      Thus why Venom was PG-13.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Remains to be seen, but with their early reactions being very positive, I predict 'First Man' and 'Halloween' will do numbers (especially domestically for the former). As long a there is something else out in theaters around the same time, especially with better critics scores, there is competition. Although of course that's assuming people has to see something in the theaters to begin with, rather than just stay home and watch something else.

      Almost 2/3 of Venom's audience was under the age of 25. I don't see the audience for First Man skewing young like that, and a lot of them can't even get into Halloween.

      Thus why Venom was PG-13.

      There's also 'Goosebumbs 2' that same weekend, which is more towards kids. Not saying the same audience that saw 'Venom' will necessarily see that also, but there is options.

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    • And I don't know about you guys, but hearing Avi Arad describe what they're planning with Carnage has me very excited!/s

      I'm not one who's clamoring for more stuff to be R-rated and gory in my superhero movies, but there are stuff where it's applicable, like the Punisher. Along with Carnage, but it's obvious Sony is not doing what fans like about the character that would necessitate it. And yet people choose to give them money for it.

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    • Oh man, is Morbius going to be like in the cartoon where he drains "plasma" through his hands?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Oh man, is Morbius going to be like in the cartoon where he drains "plasma" through his hands?

      I bet if they had the rights to the Punisher (instead of Lionsgate), they would have him using non-lethal weapons like stun guns, like he did in the Spider-Man cartoon. Though if a Kraven movie is happening, that might be what will happen with him.

      And if they're doing a Nightwatch movie with that in mind, it would literally be like Spawn except tamer.

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    • KalKent wrote: And I don't know about you guys, but hearing Avi Arad describe what they're planning with Carnage has me very excited!/s

      I'm not one who's clamoring for more stuff to be R-rated and gory in my superhero movies, but there are stuff where it's applicable, like the Punisher. Along with Carnage, but it's obvious Sony is not doing what fans like about the character that would necessitate it. And yet people choose to give them money for it.

      He's a serial killer.... Like, a full on mass murderer BEFORE he got the Symbiote.

      Avi Arad sounds like the kind of guy who would make a sympathetic movie about Edmund Kemper.

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    • Avi Arad has always had a hard-on for Venom, to where he recently admitted it was because of him 'Spider-Man 3' turned out the way it did, because he forced Venom to be part of that movie instead of a future one, thereby making it a mess. And now when he and Sony has established Venom in his own stand-alone movie (sans Spider-Man so that's something we won't see for a while, and if they do it'll make no sense), they're not willing to go all of the way to please the fans who did decide to pay them money for that movie.

      It's like back with DC/WB's 'Man of Steel', instead of doing the simple way and do what the fans of that movie wanted which was a straight-up sequel, they went ahead and jumped the gun and made 'Batman v Superman' just to kick-off their own universe and proceed with Zack Snyder's vision, and not much has gone right for them since then.

      And as a result with both cases, both fans and non-fans of the properties will suffer for it.

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    • Oh, and apparently the writer of the Kraven movie is planning to have Spider-Man in it. If I was Tom Holland, and the contract expired with Marvel Studios after 3 solos and 3 team-ups, I wouldn't take it. Not just for integrity, but for the sake of not confusing the general audience.

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    • In terms of things to look forward to, Scarlett Johansson is getting a larger salary, equal to what Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth has gotten, for the 'Black Widow' movie.

      The article also mentions how Brie Larson has signed a contract for seven movies. Along with (presumably) her own trilogy as Carol Danvers, and 'Avengers 4', it will be interesting to see in the future what the remaining three movies will be where she plays a role in. EDIT: Apparently not true according Brie Larson herself (the tweet she quoted that is now deleted).

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    • So it appears the Internet is in a bit of a tizzy. As it turns out, we already have our anti-TLJ, and of all the movies in the world - it's Venom.

      As we mentioned, the RT critical score is hovering around a low 30%, but the audience score is just under a whopping 90%. So screw it, I'm probably going to see the movie (on home media, at least).

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: So it appears the Internet is in a bit of a tizzy. As it turns out, we already have our anti-TLJ, and of all the movies in the world - it's Venom.

      As we mentioned, the RT critical score is hovering around a low 30%, but the audience score is just under a whopping 90%. So screw it, I'm probably going to see the movie (on home media, at least).

      I was gonna say, I would be disappointed if you chose to pay to see it in the theatre. But then again, it's a free market, and one should be able to spend ones money however they want, so whatever.

      I do feel with the Venom-stans, much like what they are to Marvel, as what Snyder-stans are to DC. But also in terms of comparison, they also remind me of fans of Michael Bay's Transformers movies, what they are to the overall Transformers franchise. Where the movie(s) is getting negative reception from critics, but the fans point to user score and box office in an attempt to discredit them, and there being an overall hostility towards critics in general.

      And while people have their reasons to not like critics in general, they do have an influence on the average movie-goer on what they want to see, and it's going to eventually affect certain franchises in terms of how they perform financially ('Transformers: The Last Knight' and 'Justice League' being recent examples of the negative affect on it).

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    • And it's official! Ryan Coogler is signed to write and direct a sequel to 'Black Panther'. While this may seem obvious to some, with the critical and financial performance of the first one, this at least removes the doubt, especially recently regarding directors not returning for sequels. Hopefully it goes smoothly enough so Coogler and Peyton Reed have their trilogies.

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    • Tom Holland's post on Instagram announcing that principal filming for 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' has wrapped, along with an (I guess semi-)official reveal of the new suit for the movie (which I dig).

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    • KalKent wrote: Tom Holland's post on Instagram announcing that principal filming for 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' has wrapped, along with an (I guess semi-)official reveal of the new suit for the movie (which I dig).


      I also dig the new suit; the black gives the suit an even more classic, Ditko-esque feel, even if it will take some getting used to since all other film versions use blue instead. It makes me wonder HOW he’ll get that suit though... oh Lord, don’t tell me Tony’s still alive.

      Regardless, it’s still pretty hilarious how we already have a decent amount of info on Far From Home and literally nothing about Avengers Annihilation (assuming that’s what it’s going to be called). At this rate we might as well have a Far From Home trailer. Please tell me Feige’s renting out a studio in the near future to drop a bunch of movies on us like he did in 2014 - please?

      EDIT: And now Tom Holland appears on Kimmel clad in the new suit. I rest my case.

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    • Frank Grillo confirms that he will appear as Crossbones in 'Avengers 4', specifically in a flashback scene, which according to him there will plenty of those in the movie.

      If so, it may shatter some theories people had about time-travel being part of it, especially with the behind-the-scenes shots, like Cap being in his 'Avengers 1' costume, and Tony dressed in a S.H.I.E.L.D. combat uniform.

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    • KalKent wrote: Frank Grillo confirms that he will appear as Crossbones in 'Avengers 4', specifically in a flashback scene, which according to him there will plenty of those in the movie.

      If so, it may shatter some theories people had about time-travel being part of it, especially with the behind-the-scenes shots, like Cap being in his 'Avengers 1' costume, and Tony dressed in a S.H.I.E.L.D. combat uniform.

      He could just be trying to trick us, which Marvel has done before to avoid revealing spoilers (for example, the Russos originally said that Spider-Man's screentime in Infinity War would nothing more than a single sequence, which was to divert attention away from him going to Titan). If there's going to be a ton of them, I'm thinking it's more likely that scenes like these take place in the Soulworld as illusions, which would explain why Ant-Man was with Cap and Tony, and why Tony was wearing a SHIELD uniform.

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    • It very well could just be a red herring. But since he (supposedly) got the go-ahead by his agents to confirm that on said interview, it could be either or.

      In terms of other casting news that's more so confirmed (I won't mention the character who's coming back, apparently revealed by mistake), is Katherine Langford of '13 Reasons Why' fame, joining the cast of 'Avengers 4'. It's so far undisclosed, but people are speculating she's playing Kate Bishop (which would coincide with the rumors of Disney supposedly planning a Hawkeye show for their streaming service).

      And I did see some people joking that she will be a white-washed Kamala Khan, which while funny, I highly doubt that's what Feige is planning to do with what he has talked about the character.

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    • I feel like making a wild guess:

      Teenage Nebula

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    • RIP Stan "The Man" Lee. It's been a good run with both his creations and his cameos.

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    • I have something to say regarding the future of Stan Lee's cameos, but out of respect I'll hold it off for a bit (it's not offensive, just speculative - I'd just rather make the situation less about us and more about him).

      In the meantime, I'm predicting right now: the first Avengers 4 trailer will hit on or around the 30th. Any later would be way too late, and any earlier seems unlikely at this point. Not to mention the Infinity War trailer came out around the same time.

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    • In terms of future Stan Lee cameos, Feige confirmed the reports that Lee filmed several movie cameos back-to-back to be used in the future, so there will definitely be ones for the 3 upcoming ones. Beyond that, once that well is dry, I think it's best to just retire it, and not do a 'Rogue One' after that.

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    • I would imagine they'll keep giving him cameos in the form of images, like they do in the Netflix shows and Cloak and Dagger. It would be pretty cool if the MCU turned Stan Lee images into their own Hidden Mickeys.

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    • And still no Avengers 4 trailer. They really need to release a trailer within the next few days. We don't want another Solo on our hands.

      KalKent wrote: In terms of future Stan Lee cameos, Feige confirmed the reports that Lee filmed several movie cameos back-to-back to be used in the future, so there will definitely be ones for the 3 upcoming ones. Beyond that, once that well is dry, I think it's best to just retire it, and not do a 'Rogue One' after that.

      Kind of what I was going to say, though I'll elaborate since time has passed, and I now have to mourn Stephen Hillenburg and George Bush as well. I'm personally hoping that Avengers 4 IS his last cameo, as it would be a good way of representing a transition in superhero fiction, like an end of an era. That said, if they've filmed cameos beyond that, it's best to add them in; not doing so would be kind of disrespectful.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: And still no Avengers 4 trailer. They really need to release a trailer within the next few days. We don't want another Solo on our hands.

      Not really comparable since unlike 'Solo: A Star Wars Story', people are actually excited about 'Avengers 4', and as far as we know there hasn't been any shake-up in terms of behind-the-scenes drama on who's working on it.

      It's been rumored the trailer is arriving on Wednesday, along with a trailer for Square Enix's Avengers game on Thursday. But even then, I believe they could hold off on releasing the trailer until January, and people would still be hyped for the movie, and it makes buck at the box office.

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    • A Shang-Chi movie is planned to be part of Phase 4, with Dave Callaham writing it. Interesting for them to make it a movie surrounding him, rather than a character in one of their shows (which they honestly could've done on Netflix instead of 'Iron Fist' just to avoid the accusations of white washing).

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    • Seems like Phase 4 is the "Who else do we have?" phase.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: Seems like Phase 4 is the "Who else do we have?" phase.

      I don't blame them for trying to diversify themselves. If they can do martial arts in their own shows, I can only imagine how well it would be on a proper movie budget.

      After some consideration, I think Mike Moh, who played Triton in 'Inhumans', would do the part (only reservation being he might be too old). Not just for giving him a second chance at a Marvel role, but also because he's also portraying Bruce Lee in Quentin Tarantino's 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' (and also Ryu in the live-action Street Fighter web series), and Shang-Chi is the Marvel Universe's equivalent so it would fit.

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    • A Shang-Chi movie has been in development since the early days of the MCU, so it's somewhat surprising that they're finally going through with it. That said, I think a martial arts-inspired superhero film will be a great rejuvenation, like most of the Phase 3 movies were.

      KalKent wrote: Not really comparable since unlike 'Solo: A Star Wars Story', people are actually excited about 'Avengers 4', and as far as we know there hasn't been any shake-up in terms of behind-the-scenes drama on who's working on it.

      It's been rumored the trailer is arriving on Wednesday, along with a trailer for Square Enix's Avengers game on Thursday. But even then, I believe they could hold off on releasing the trailer until January, and people would still be hyped for the movie, and it makes buck at the box office.

      It's not direct, but the comparisons are there. Both have budgets closer to $300 million than $200 million (though Solo's was due to the production difficulties while Avengers 4's is intentional), and they're both starting their marketing late in the game. I continue to believe the lack of marketing (brought on by the production difficulties) is what brought Solo down not overall hype; people were excited - as long as they knew it existed.

      While I would love for the trailer to come out on Wednesday or Thursday, that's incredibly close to when the trailer for Captain Marvel comes out. Wednesday or Thursday next week sounds more likely.

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    • IDK, I feel mixed. I'm glad we're getting a (somewhat) high profile Asian hero from the comics on the movie side, but... His power (if they don't do his cloning power he gained in recent years) is just martial arts. And his dad is Fu Manchu. Shang-Chi's kind of a stereotype.

      But we're getting an Asian hero, and a Chinese one at that! So I'm very happy.

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    • Everyone, here's the Captain Marvel trailer!:

      Marvel Studios' Captain Marvel - Trailer 2

      Marvel Studios' Captain Marvel - Trailer 2

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    • Interesting how they kept it vague if Carol is part-Kree (as retconned recently to be in the comics) or modified by them like in the classic origin. It might be the former, since it looked like she was talking to Annette Bening, who may or may not be her mom. If so, I hope they keep it different enough to where it doesn't remind me of Star-Lord's origin again.

      Also a bit of warning, before they were officially revealed by Marvel, there were leaked packaging of the Funko Pop figures for this movie. Don't look them up if you don't want spoilers on some of the characters' names.

      Assuming we're getting a trailer for 'Avengers 4' this week, do you think it's out of the question that Carol will make an appearance in the first trailer, even briefly, like the Guardians did in the trailers for 'Infinity War'? I don't see why she can't, since before 'Infinity War' came out, T'Challa appeared in the first trailer and the Super Bowl ad, before his own movie 'Black Panther' had even come out. And since 'Captain Marvel' is a prequel, I don't think it would be spoilery to acknowledge that Carol survives the events of the movie to appear in 'Avengers 4'.

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    • Big takeaway from the trailer: Fury is a cat person.

      KalKent wrote: Interesting how they kept it vague if Carol is part-Kree (as retconned recently to be in the comics) or modified by them like in the classic origin. It might be the former, since it looked like she was talking to Annette Bening, who may or may not be her mom. If so, I hope they keep it different enough to where it doesn't remind me of Star-Lord's origin again.

      Based on this trailer, I'm thinking more of the latter, mainly based on what Annette "Still No Oscar" Benning said in her monologue about how she "made" Carol one of them. We know from the flashbacks that Carol had a life on Earth, but we also see her bleeding blue blood in a few places. Therefore, I believe she was modified into a part-Kree, and then had her mind wiped. I could see the Star-Lord and Winter Soldier similarities there, so hopefully they can disambiguate some more. Of course, it could also be a red herring, but that would probably be disingenuous given they seem to have put emphasis on characters such as Maria Rambeau and we don't want A Beautiful Mind situation occurring.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Big takeaway from the trailer: Fury is a cat person.

      KalKent wrote: Interesting how they kept it vague if Carol is part-Kree (as retconned recently to be in the comics) or modified by them like in the classic origin. It might be the former, since it looked like she was talking to Annette Bening, who may or may not be her mom. If so, I hope they keep it different enough to where it doesn't remind me of Star-Lord's origin again.

      Based on this trailer, I'm thinking more of the latter, mainly based on what Annette "Still No Oscar" Benning said in her monologue about how she "made" Carol one of them. We know from the flashbacks that Carol had a life on Earth, but we also see her bleeding blue blood in a few places. Therefore, I believe she was modified into a part-Kree, and then had her mind wiped. I could see the Star-Lord and Winter Soldier similarities there, so hopefully they can disambiguate some more. Of course, it could also be a red herring, but that would probably be disingenuous given they seem to have put emphasis on characters such as Maria Rambeau and we don't want A Beautiful Mind situation occurring.

      With making Carol's past a mystery, I could see them implanting false memories into her making her believe that she is Kree, Hala is her home-planet, and the woman being her mother. And with her powers coming from Kree experimentation, then it leaves open the possibility of other characters in the future gaining powers that way, among them maybe Maria's daughter Monica.

      I noticed when Fury looked at the cat's necklace (which has been confirmed in high-def to say Goose, after the character from 'Top Gun', and not Chewie), it put its paw on Fury's hand as if to move it away from the necklace. So maybe that's how Fury lost his eye from "trusting someone," since it brings up the question why there would be a cat there in the first place.

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    • Eh. Don't know why I'm not getting hyped on this one. Maybe it's because they keep trying to sell the movie on a mystery (What happened to Carol?) when the answer seems a little obvious (The Kree did it).

      I mean, I hope there's more to it than the Kree abducted her and turned her into a weapon, but that would still probably cover most of it.

      Are we still supposed to be getting the Avengers 4 trailer tomorrow?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: Eh. Don't know why I'm not getting hyped on this one. Maybe it's because they keep trying to sell the movie on a mystery (What happened to Carol?) when the answer seems a little obvious (The Kree did it).

      I mean, I hope there's more to it than the Kree abducted her and turned her into a weapon, but that would still probably cover most of it.

      Are we still supposed to be getting the Avengers 4 trailer tomorrow?

      I think it won't be the who? so much as it'll be the Why?

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Eh. Don't know why I'm not getting hyped on this one. Maybe it's because they keep trying to sell the movie on a mystery (What happened to Carol?) when the answer seems a little obvious (The Kree did it).

      I mean, I hope there's more to it than the Kree abducted her and turned her into a weapon, but that would still probably cover most of it.

      Are we still supposed to be getting the Avengers 4 trailer tomorrow?

      I think it won't be the who? so much as it'll be the Why?

      To be the Devil's advocate (as someone who's really hyped), even "why" is kinda obvious, mainly as a force in the Kree's war against the Skrulls. Although I guess another element of "why" is what else the Kree has planned with Carol and the Starforce. And also why Jude Law's character has to do with all of it.

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    • Along with the rumors regarding the trailer for 'Avengers 4' going around, there is also talk of the trailer for 'Spider-Man: Far From Home'. It's rumored it will be shown later this week in CCXP in Brazil, along with these showcases of the suits from the movie, including the new stealth suit along with the new red-and-black one.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: Eh. Don't know why I'm not getting hyped on this one. Maybe it's because they keep trying to sell the movie on a mystery (What happened to Carol?) when the answer seems a little obvious (The Kree did it).

      I mean, I hope there's more to it than the Kree abducted her and turned her into a weapon, but that would still probably cover most of it.

      Are we still supposed to be getting the Avengers 4 trailer tomorrow?

      I think it won't be the who? so much as it'll be the Why?

      To use her as a weapon. She can fly and shoot energy beams out of her hands. Other Kree can't do that.

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    • KalKent wrote: Along with the rumors regarding the trailer for 'Avengers 4' going around, there is also talk of the trailer for 'Spider-Man: Far From Home'. It's rumored it will be shown later this week in CCXP in Brazil, along with these showcases of the suits from the movie, including the new stealth suit along with the new red-and-black one.

      I could see it happening because Sony, but that would be REALLY embarrassing if a Far From Home trailer came out before an Avengers 4 trailer (and I wonder if Marvel could really do anything about that). We already know more about Far From Home than Avengers 4, it's best not to go further down the rabbit hole.

      Also, that stealth suit gives me serious Spider-Man Noir vibes. Nice touch.

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    • Jake Gyllenhaal just posted this, so that doesn't make the prediction any better.

      Maybe a stretch, but I wonder if this is a reference to back when after 'Spider-Man 3', he was considered a replacement for playing Spider-Man after Tobey Maguire left.

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    • Well, Wednesday’s come and gone, and there was no trailer. Sigh.

      There is better news though: Black Panther just became the first MCU film to receive Golden Globe nominations, specifically for Best Motion Picture Drama, Best Original Score, and Best Original Song (“All the Stars”). https://variety.com/2018/film/news/golden-globe-nominations-2019-1203082075/

      KalKent wrote: Jake Gyllenhaal just posted this, so that doesn't make the prediction any better.

      Maybe a stretch, but I wonder if this is a reference to back when after 'Spider-Man 3', he was considered a replacement for playing Spider-Man after Tobey Maguire left.

      I think he’s just poking fun at Mysterio, since the comic he’s reading (Amazing Spider-Man Vol 1 311) is a rather ridiculous one where Mysterio brings inanimate objects to life (hence “WTF?”)

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    • The "What the f--?" is just part of his "reaction" to realizing he's not playing Spider-Man. The joke doesn't require people to have read that issue in specific.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: Well, Wednesday’s come and gone, and there was no trailer. Sigh.

      I've heard that the reason they didn't was because of GHWB's funeral, and with it being a "day of mourning" everything stands still, so they wouldn't release something unless it would affect their stocks positively.

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    • BOOM! You looking for this?

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    • What's this? They made another Avengers movie?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: What's this? They made another Avengers movie?

      DAE superhero fatigue!? What is Marvel thinking over-saturating their own market?

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    • Well, this trailer was certainly... bold. Literally nothing that anyone can piece together. And no action, either. Even The Force Awakens’ first trailer had some action to it. I’m kind of bummed out on that account, but credit where credit is due: this was a risk, and clearly it paid off. And now for me to dissect it:

      • I could see Tony leaving Titan, since he needs sustenance. But couldn’t he has just hitched a ride with Nebula? She seems relatively fine over on what appears to be the Guardians’ ship. At least the world around him is a very pretty turquoise?...
      • Nice call back to Iron Man 3, in which he also records a message for Pepper via his helmet.
      • I get that Thanos sees himself as a daddy, but does he also have to see himself as the Son and put his armor in a crucifix? Damn dude, even if you are getting stronger, cool your Kanye-sized ego. Apparently this was also in Infinity War very briefly at the end, and in the comics was Thanos’ only “company” after he did the Snappening.
      • It appears what’s left of Cap’s team is able to go back to America, which of course makes sense because the world shouldn’t need to care about those things. It should care about other things on Cap’s list - like shaving, apparently (pity). Speaking of the shave, I wonder if this means that the time travel theory has been debunked, since Cap having a shave mostly fits into the set photos of him with Scott and Tony that initially started the rumor.
      • When Banner is looking at the images labeled “Missing” in red text, you can briefly see Shuri’s picture before it changes to Parker’s, implying both that Shuri fell victim to the Snappening and that Peter’s identity is somehow known to authorities.
      • Not sure what to make of the Thor and Nebula shots, but then comes the confirmation that Clint will become Ronin, having apparently just killed some dudes. The fact that they’re making this change makes me believe that he will survive this film as well, since they wouldn’t bother with that change unless they were going to do more with it.
      • The subtitle “Endgame” works for me, though I’m not sure why it was considered so spoiler-y that they couldn’t reveal it (since it’s just a reference to what is otherwise a throwaway line from Strange in Infinity War). It also helps to disambiguate it from the comics, since unlike the other Russo Bros films and Age of Ultron there now isn’t any comic material to compare it to.
      • Scott appearing with Luis’ van suggests he either got out the way he went in, or that he wants to use it as part of a plan (it also implies Luis is dead... please no... ). Steve and Natasha also appear to be in a place other than the Avengers headquarters, for some reason.

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: What's this? They made another Avengers movie?

      DAE superhero fatigue!? What is Marvel thinking over-saturating their own market?

      I think he’s either talking about how the title of the movie is so secretive they didn’t even put it in the video title, or playing on the fact that literally everyone has heard this movie is coming out. Either way (or your way), LOL.

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    • I think the trailer tells us Scott is somehow the key to how they all fix this. They chose to end the trailer focusing on other Avengers reacting to his surprise return and that he really needs to talk to them. Like he fell into one of those time vortexes and saw them defeating Thanos, or spoke to an Old Man Cap in the Future who told him what to do before sending him back into the past.

      Gemnist 2.0 wrote: When Banner is looking at the images labeled “Missing” in red text, you can briefly see Shuri’s picture before it changes to Parker’s, implying both that Shuri fell victim to the Snappening and that Peter’s identity is somehow known to authorities.

      Wait... how do they know Peter's dead? Do they think Tony's dead, too?

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    • Well they did leave Earth, and they lost connection when they left the atmosphere, so by all accounts no one knows their whereabouts. For all they know Tony is dead as well. It seems reasonable they would assume the worst, since the trailer shows they also thought Scott was dead (but are then proven wrong).

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    • I expected this to happen. The first trailer for 'Avengers: Endgame' (still getting used to typing that out after having referred to it as 'Avengers 4' for a while) just became the most-viewed trailer within 24 hours, beating out the first trailer for 'Infinity War' by 59 million views.

      Very smart move on their part not including the subtitle 'Endgame' in the video's title or in the description, making people want to click it who just wants to know that part. And I got lucky not seeing the title until I watched the trailer, since 1) the post that shared it where I first saw the trailer said "The subtitle is Endgame" (I avoided reading the rest before the final word), and 2) the full name started trending 10 minutes after the trailer was uploaded.

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    • Apparently a trailer for Spider-Man: Far From Home screened in at the CCXP event in Brazil. Here's what I can gather from various places on the internet reporting on it:

      • Peter is on vacation in Europe with his classmates when Nick Fury approaches him in Venice.
      • It's Happy Hogan's turn to flirt with Aunt May.
      • There's some giant villain, variously described as a water monster, a water-and-stone monster, and different water, sand and flame elementals.
      • The trailer ends with Mysterio (yes, wearing the fishbowl) presenting himself as a hero who can stop the monster.

      Who even knows when this trailer will come out officially. Been a ton of trailers over the pass few days.

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    • I think it's pretty obvious Mysterio will be manipulating events from behind the scenes, like Syndrome from The Incredibles.

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    • Nurdboy42 wrote: I think it's pretty obvious Mysterio will be manipulating events from behind the scenes, like Syndrome from The Incredibles.

      Not gonna lie, that's exactly where my mind went, too, with that monster in place of the Omnidroid.

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    • Oh he's 100% going to be fighting a monster he created with his illusions LOL

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Oh he's 100% going to be fighting a monster he created with his illusions LOL

      There was a rumor that Hydro-Man was going to be in this. This is probably where that comes from, but it's still an open question whether or not this is supposed to be the MCU's Hydro-Man. And if he is, that could make those other two elemental monsters the MCU's Sandman and (maybe) Molten Man. I don't know how I'd feel about any of those characters just being Mysterio's tricks.

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    • They also showed more footage of 'Captain Marvel', which from the descriptions consist more of Carol being hung upside-down being brainwashed and interacting with Jude Law's character (who's name in the movie was revealed), and her fighting Skrulls.

      I was hoping the 'Far From Home' trailer would also come out online this week, but realistically I can see why it didn't, since this week has been pretty dense of new Marvel stuff. From trailers of 'Captain Marvel' and 'Avengers: Endgame' (with a title for the latter), the announcement of a Shang-Chi movie, and the announcement of 'Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3'. (And funnily enough, the only thing DC/WB had was the announcement of a planned Plastic Man movie.)

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    • And funnily enough, the only thing DC/WB had was the announcement of a planned Plastic Man movie.

      Mortal 11 Kombat (which is what I insist on calling it) is a Warner Bros. title. Really, though, they probably just want to keep Aquaman in the spotlight. It just had a huge opening in China.

      And speak of new movies, I'm not surprised they wouldn't want to put out a trailer for Far From Home before Into the Spider-Verse hits theaters.

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    • Scott Derrickson is officially signed on for the sequel to 'Doctor Strange'. Which he probably needs since he lost his house in the California wild fires. Although the article says that "the movie would be casting its spell on audiences in May 2021," which would mean it will be a 5 year gap between the two movies.

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    • So I know it’s not a MCU movie, but what do y’all think about Into the Spider-Verse? I saw it over the weekend since I’ve heard nothing but good things about it, and hot damn, the movie is AMAZING (no pun intended). The animation was breathtaking, the story was both nerdy and easy to grasp, and by golly am I glad these characters are now in the mainstream. I highly recommend it on all fronts.

      KalKent wrote: Scott Derrickson is officially signed on for the sequel to 'Doctor Strange'. Which he probably needs since he lost his house in the California wild fires. Although the article says that "the movie would be casting its spell on audiences in May 2021," which would mean it will be a 5 year gap between the two movies.

      Sorry to hear about his house. He’s also signed on to direct a Stephen King adaptation called The Breathing Method, for 2020, so that’s probably why there’s a five year gap.

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    • I've personally no interest in seeing 'Into the Spider-Verse'. Not because I think it looks bad or is not for me, but rather I'm not that invested or willing to pay Sony for another one of their movies (similarly to Fox's X-Men movies sans Deadpool). I was the same way when 'Deadpool 1', 'Logan', and DC's 'Wonder Woman' came out, despite the positive reactions to them. I might catch it on streaming, since I generally don't see animated movies in the theaters. And if I want to see an animated movie, it has to be very special.

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    • Meh, I'm just not a huge Spidey fan. I went to see Venom because Tom Hardy gets my hormones going, but I don't really care about Spidey outside of the MCU.

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote:

      KalKent wrote: Scott Derrickson is officially signed on for the sequel to 'Doctor Strange'. Which he probably needs since he lost his house in the California wild fires. Although the article says that "the movie would be casting its spell on audiences in May 2021," which would mean it will be a 5 year gap between the two movies.

      Sorry to hear about his house. He’s also signed on to direct a Stephen King adaptation called The Breathing Method, for 2020, so that’s probably why there’s a five year gap.

      We'll see if that goes anywhere for Derrickson. Main reason I wonder that is because he previously was attached to showrunning TV show adaptations of the Joe Hill (son of Stephen King) comic book 'Locke and Key', and of the movie and graphic novel 'Snowpiercer', before leaving them after creative differences (if I remember correctly).

      I know Derrickson is proud of his work, even the ones that aren't well received, but I don't know if this means he's hard to work with or not. If so, it might've been a miracle that 'Doctor Strange' turned out as good as it did (probably thanks to Feige and Marvel Studios mainly), and hopefully the sequel will too.

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    • It's been a while since anyone posted... But anyway, a new preview for Captain Marvel premiered during the College National Championship game:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX33bIOA5aA

      Right now, I'm going to predict we'll get new Endgame and Far From Home trailers during the Super Bowl.

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    • 'Far From Home' definitely soon enough. And with 'Endgame' it might just be some extended clips of what we've already seen, since I've heard the promo material supposedly won't show anything past the first 15 minutes of the movie.

      It was cool to hear Coulson have a line from the movie, and I'm expecting to feel some Phase 1 nostalgia with his scenes, especially with him being absent from the movies for such a long time.

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    • KalKent wrote: 'Far From Home' definitely soon enough. And with 'Endgame' it might just be some extended clips of what we've already seen, since I've heard the promo material supposedly won't show anything past the first 15 minutes of the movie.

      Well... that’s making me wonder if they’re taking this spoiler thing a little too far. I mean I get it: people hate spoilers, and a movie like Endgame does not need too many tantalizing details. But marketing is extremely crucial for a movie like this. Personally I think Infinity War’s worked great, as it neither gave away too many details while still being heavy on what people wanted: violence (because the suspension of disbelief is weird) and crossovers. Not showing violence OR crossovers in the Endgame trailers might turn some people (especially casuals) off.

      Plus, hiding too many spoilers from people only incentivizes them more to dig them all up. And even if you got rid of the spoiler machine that is Tom Holland - you still have to contend with Mark “Everyone Dies” Ruffalo.

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    • Tom Holland just posted this thing soon happening on Instagram, which is approximately 3½ hours from when I post this.

      If it is the 'Far From Home' trailer, main thing I wonder is how they'll deal with Spidey's fate shown in 'Infinity War', or if they just pretend it never happened just to not spoil anything that happens in 'Endgame'.

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    • The trailer. About what I expected them to do, but I'm excited.

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    • Here’s the international version, which has a different first half (up until Fury tranquilizes Ned) and changes Flash’s insult:

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      While the trailer is pretty standard, I’ve gotta commend it for not going full spoiler. This is especially true considering Sony’s reputation of spoiling the majority of their own Marvel movies via trailers (such as “I need the suit back” for Homecoming). I was hoping they’d take a bit of a risk and not show Peter OR Spidey at all until the very end, just so it can capitalize on Spider-Man being alive again.

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    • I've heard some ideas that the movie takes place before 'Infinity War'. Arguments I've seen for it being the bus they were in was actually on their way home from the vacation (even though Peter explicitly said they were on their way to the Museum of Modern Art), and Fury & Hill being alive. But even then, we don't know what will happen in 'Endgame', so it's all up in the air at this point.

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    • Of the things I've noticed in the trailer include Peter's suitcase having BFP on the front (Benjamin F(itzgerald). Parker?), and news articles above Mr. Delmar mentioning his previous store being destroyed.

      Also the new monument first shown in 'Age of Ultron' (after previous one was destroyed in 'Avengers 1') seen when Spidey is swinging around. Of note with that is that it looks like the Stark/Avengers tower behind the monument is under construction, after it was vacated in 'Homecoming'. Either it's being deconstructed and demolished, or renovated (possibly for something more fantastic?).

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    • There's a boat in the trailer that has "Asm 212" written on its side.

      Amazing Spider-Man #212 is the first appearance of Hydro-Man.

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    • Licences and registration numbers are typically issue numbers.

      I'm still 90% certain Mysterio will be pulling a Syndrome with those elemental monsters.

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: There's a boat in the trailer that has "Asm 212" written on its side.

      Amazing Spider-Man #212 is the first appearance of Hydro-Man.

      If that is hinting towards Hydro-Man being in the movie (illusion or not), then I don't know where people are getting the idea that they are fighting the Elementals (unless I've missed it). First impression would make people like me assume two of them being Hydro-Man and Sandman.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: There's a boat in the trailer that has "Asm 212" written on its side.

      Amazing Spider-Man #212 is the first appearance of Hydro-Man.

      If that is hinting towards Hydro-Man being in the movie (illusion or not), then I don't know where people are getting the idea that they are fighting the Elementals (unless I've missed it). First impression would make people like me assume two of them being Hydro-Man and Sandman.

      Because the people who wrote about the trailer when they saw it at that convention in Brazil called them "elemental monsters," and then some other people pointed out there are Marvel characters called "the Elementals."

      It looks like they're loosely based on Hydro-Man, Sandman, and Molten Man. There was also that ominous-looking storm cloud, but I don't know if that's supposed to be one of them.

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    • KalKent wrote: I've heard some ideas that the movie takes place before 'Infinity War'. Arguments I've seen for it being the bus they were in was actually on their way home from the vacation (even though Peter explicitly said they were on their way to the Museum of Modern Art), and Fury & Hill being alive. But even then, we don't know what will happen in 'Endgame', so it's all up in the air at this point.

      Yeah, but Feige said Far From Home picks up after Endgame. And like you said, Peter was on a field trip to MoMA in Infinity War, while here he's on summer vacation.

      So since this is summer vacation and if it does happen before Infinity War, then it has to be summer 2017 (between Homecoming in 2016 and Infinity War in 2018), since Liz isn't present, and he's already close (and growing closer) with MJ.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I've heard some ideas that the movie takes place before 'Infinity War'. Arguments I've seen for it being the bus they were in was actually on their way home from the vacation (even though Peter explicitly said they were on their way to the Museum of Modern Art), and Fury & Hill being alive. But even then, we don't know what will happen in 'Endgame', so it's all up in the air at this point.

      Yeah, but Feige said Far From Home picks up after Endgame. And like you said, Peter was on a field trip to MoMA in Infinity War, while here he's on summer vacation.

      So since this is summer vacation and if it does happen before Infinity War, then it has to be summer 2017 (between Homecoming in 2016 and Infinity War in 2018), since Liz isn't present, and he's already close (and growing closer) with MJ.

      Yeah I don't believe it's before 'Infinity War' either. It'd be one thing if they're lying just for people to be surprised, but they specifically said along lines of "directly after 'Endgame' ends". If it was the opposite, then they would've been more clear about it, like they were with 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' taking place after 'Civil War' but before 'Infinity War' (other than the mid- and post-credit scenes of course).

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    • Regarding the license plate being an easter egg of Hydro-Man's first appearance, there also two for Sandman and Molten Man (I just realized how inconsistent the spacing is between names of the characters).

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    • New series of character posters for 'Captain Marvel' (including Goose). Interesting how they have one for returning character Korath, but not one for Ronan.

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    • KalKent wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      KalKent wrote: I've heard some ideas that the movie takes place before 'Infinity War'. Arguments I've seen for it being the bus they were in was actually on their way home from the vacation (even though Peter explicitly said they were on their way to the Museum of Modern Art), and Fury & Hill being alive. But even then, we don't know what will happen in 'Endgame', so it's all up in the air at this point.

      Yeah, but Feige said Far From Home picks up after Endgame. And like you said, Peter was on a field trip to MoMA in Infinity War, while here he's on summer vacation.

      So since this is summer vacation and if it does happen before Infinity War, then it has to be summer 2017 (between Homecoming in 2016 and Infinity War in 2018), since Liz isn't present, and he's already close (and growing closer) with MJ.

      Yeah I don't believe it's before 'Infinity War' either. It'd be one thing if they're lying just for people to be surprised, but they specifically said along lines of "directly after 'Endgame' ends". If it was the opposite, then they would've been more clear about it, like they were with 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' taking place after 'Civil War' but before 'Infinity War' (other than the mid- and post-credit scenes of course).

      Something else that confirms FFH as being after Endgame: the real-life location of the Avengers Tower is undergoing construction, which was also included in FFH (as shown by the trailer when Spidey swings by Grand Central Station).

      The Tower was bought in Homecoming, was still standing in Infinity War, and is now undergoing construction in Far From Home, which makes it pretty clear this movie is after Endgame.

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    • While I'm of the opinion of not caring about the Oscars, it's worth noting the nominations that 'Black Panther' has gotten, including making it the first comic book/superhero movie to get a Best Picture nomination.

      Realistically, I can see it winning for Best Costume Design (Ruth E. Carter) and/or Best Score (Ludwig Göransson), although there is some tough competition when compared to the other nominations.

      Of note is also 'Avengers: Infinity War' being nominated for Best Visual Effects, which I can also see winning, but only when compared to the other nominations.

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    • It looks like "Dan-Vers" is Carol's Kree name in Captain Marvel, which I guess is slightly better than "Car-Ell"

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    • LoveWaffle wrote: It looks like "Dan-Vers" is Carol's Kree name in Captain Marvel, which I guess is slightly better than "Car-Ell"

      Based on leaks of merch and such? Not exactly a spoiler I would want to hear if her origin is similar to the retconned comic origin. I've been going out of my way to not read articles about merch that says "leaks confirm the name of this character will appear in the movie."

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    • KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: It looks like "Dan-Vers" is Carol's Kree name in Captain Marvel, which I guess is slightly better than "Car-Ell"

      Based on leaks of merch and such? Not exactly a spoiler I would want to hear if her origin is similar to the retconned comic origin. I've been going out of my way to not read articles about merch that says "leaks confirm the name of this character will appear in the movie."

      You really think that's a spoiler? And the retconnned origin coming in the comics when it did isn't?

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    • LoveWaffle wrote:

      KalKent wrote:

      LoveWaffle wrote: It looks like "Dan-Vers" is Carol's Kree name in Captain Marvel, which I guess is slightly better than "Car-Ell"

      Based on leaks of merch and such? Not exactly a spoiler I would want to hear if her origin is similar to the retconned comic origin. I've been going out of my way to not read articles about merch that says "leaks confirm the name of this character will appear in the movie."

      You really think that's a spoiler? And the retconnned origin coming in the comics when it did isn't?

      For all I knew they could've introduced the new origin in the comic books to either differentiate it from the movie version, or to throw people off expecting the same origin in the movie.

      I'm not surprised or spoiled personally that they would go for it in the movie, but it may be seen as a spoiler for non-comic readers, and I am surprised on Marvel's part to introduce said revised origin for the character in the comics before the movie came out (unlike with Star-Lord, which explored the 616 origin of being raised by the Ravagers, unlike the origin of the original 791 version, after the 199999 version became popular in his movie).

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    • The moment I read Carol's new origin in the comics, I said to myself "This feels like a spoiler for the movie."

      Besides, it's just her name. It itself doesn't mean they're going with something similar to that origin. We know she's a Kree soldier. We know she's an amnesiac who doesn't remember her past on Earth. All that's clear from the trailer. The Kree are going to call her something, and "Dan-Vers" (even as just a Kree-ified translation of her own name) makes as much sense as anything else they could've come up with.

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    • Pretty sure they're gonna call her "Vers", not "Dan-Vers". There's merchandise calling her "Vers", and one of the trailers features Carol finding a dog tag with "Carol Dan-" in the Rambeau household. Clearly the other half would just say "-vers" and would be the half the Kree find.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Pretty sure they're gonna call her "Vers", not "Dan-Vers". There's merchandise calling her "Vers", and one of the trailers features Carol finding a dog tag with "Carol Dan-" in the Rambeau household. Clearly the other half would just say "-vers" and would be the half the Kree find.

      That's what I've heard, which I expected them to do by having her human name remain unknown to her while brainwashed. Unless it's that when asked about her name Vers, she corrects by saying Danvers, making the Kree think it's Dan-Vers.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Pretty sure they're gonna call her "Vers", not "Dan-Vers". There's merchandise calling her "Vers", and one of the trailers features Carol finding a dog tag with "Carol Dan-" in the Rambeau household. Clearly the other half would just say "-vers" and would be the half the Kree find.

      Okay.

      That's actually worse than "Car-Ell"

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    • I was talking about leaks earlier in terms of merch and such to the movie. And while I've seen such headlines, I've decided to not spoil it myself by clicking on them and sharing them here. The feeling I got when I saw 'Infinity War', and it was revealed Red Skull was still alive, I want to have the same type of feeling going into 'Captain Marvel' with whatever will surprise me in that one.

      Said headlines have been along the lines of "Funko Pop reveals the name of this character," "tie-in material reveals the identity of this character," and "leaked merchandise reveals who this actor is playing."

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    • KalKent wrote: I was talking about leaks earlier in terms of merch and such to the movie. And while I've seen such headlines, I've decided to not spoil it myself by clicking on them and sharing them here. The feeling I got when I saw 'Infinity War', and it was revealed Red Skull was still alive, I want to have the same type of feeling going into 'Captain Marvel' with whatever will surprise me in that one.

      Said headlines have been along the lines of "Funko Pop reveals the name of this character," "tie-in material reveals the identity of this character," and "leaked merchandise reveals who this actor is playing."

      I understand that, and that's why I didn't share the rest of the leaks that I think are spoilers. I just don't think what the Kree call her is one, given what it is.

      I mean, if we found out they call her Phyla-Vell that would be a different story.

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    • I dunno. Recently I've been hearing a lot of bad anticipation-related press about Captain Marvel, mainly to do with the lackluster trailers and the character's troubled comic history. If her name really is just Dan-Vers, that's honestly going to go in the direction these people are claiming is going to happen.


      As for the Oscars, major kudos to Black Panther for getting a Best Picture nomination. I still would have preferred Logan in a post-Dark Knight world (seeing that The Dark Knight started this discussion in the first place), but it was bound to be Black Panther that would avenge TDK. Not just because of the social inclinations, but also because since TDK, there's been at least one big blockbuster movie to get into the Best Picture slot (e.g. Gravity, Fury Road, Arrival), and Black Panther was the only viable candidate this year of all the movies that came out. It'll probably win Costume Design and maybe Original Score, but really nothing else. Also, Infinity War will get Visual Effects, avenging Doctor Strange. I'm just glad an MCU movie will most likely finally win an Oscar. Freaking Suicide Squad...

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    • Gemnist 2.0 wrote: I dunno. Recently I've been hearing a lot of bad anticipation-related press about Captain Marvel, mainly to do with the lackluster trailers and the character's troubled comic history.

      I've heard mixed things about it, and it's mainly depending on which circles one is in. Some people see it as lackluster, while I've heard nothing but hype generated by the trailers (with mainly one dissenting opinion on it, that being thinking the second trailer "didn't show much of anything new", which I feel is a razor's edge of trailers nowadays). But in the end it doesn't seem to matter, since it's apparently very anticipated along with 'Avengers: Endgame' for upcoming movies, and is expected to do really well in terms of advance ticket sales and its projected opening weekend ($140-180 million).

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    • Short, but very sweet, Super Bowl spots.

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    • I would honestly be fine if this is the last we see released in terms of promos before the 'Endgame' comes out. But I wouldn't say no to another full one.

      Much like with the second trailer showing off more of T'Challa and Wakanda around when 'Black Panther' came out, I'm wouldn't be surprised if the second trailer features Carol Danvers making a quick appearance, if that comes out around when 'Captain Marvel' comes out.

      Although looking at the spot again, in the final shot it looks like someone is walk