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  • In your removal of the weights that I posted, you are removing the substantiation for saying the weights weigh 400 pounds. It was stated in the comic that the weights total to 400 pounds. All I did was break down how it did weigh that much. It was the weight of the standard bar, which is 45 lb plus the weights today at put on. When you remove that, you are removing evidence. This is not speculation, on my part. I lift weights all the time, and I am probably going to become a fitness instructor. I have been doing this for years, so I know how weights are measured. All I'm trying to do, is maintain a high standard of evidence, and avoid conjecture.

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    • In Earth-1218 there are many different types of weightlifting bars, which range in weight from 15 to 65 pounds, even "standard" comes in 45-pound and 55-pound varieties; meanwhile, nothing in Earth-616 indicates specifically what is considered standard there nor how much their standard may weigh as far as we know, thus it's an unnecessary breakdown that becomes speculation.

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    • This had nothing to do with 1218, and if something has multiple weights, it isn't standard. I know what I'm talking about, by experience. We use multiple weights, and only one is standard. In any event, you even deleted the canon weight, which makes no sense. No gym calls anything other than the 45 standard, and that was depicted as a very ordinary, conventional gym. Please tell me where you've seen otherwise. At least let me reinstate the canon weight, which very much goes toward showing how strong Daredevil is. I can lift 400 pounds, but only in a deadlift. My showing that he can easily curl 400, and use it as easily as I used a pugel stick, is very graphic, canon evidence of his upper body strength.

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    • Virusx2k1 wrote: This had nothing to do with 1218...

      ::Virusx2k1 proceeds to base their entire argument on Earth-1218::

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    • Did you read what I wrote, at all? I wasn't editing any of the alternate reality versions, only the 616. I have no interest in any other version. No change to the 616 has anything to do with any other version, and doesn't answer the question of why an actual, canon number (400 pounds) is deleted as evidence of strength, in favor of a vague statement about lifting Foggy's tiny weights in an issue, that couldn't have weighed more than 50 pounds.

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    • The part that's been removed is speculation based on Earth-1218, you said it yourself:

      Virusx2k1 wrote: I know what I'm talking about, by experience.

      We don't live in Earth-616, thus have zero experience in terms of what may or may not be standard there, which renders the breakdown not only unnecessary, but also speculative, so please stop wasting our time on this.

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    • How does alternate reality even factor in this? The character is 616, and, yes, I have years of experience with fitness, and fitness standards. I wasn't talking about anything other than 616. You brought that up. If I was, please explain why I was only editing the 616. You're saying some strange other Universe has another standard. That is speculation. What I wrote on bar weight distribution, is not speculative. Neither was the 400 pounds. That is direct canon. Saying someone that easily moves 400 can obviously move more, is also not speculation.

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    • Assuming that Earth-616 conforms to Earth-1218 norms isn't canon, it's speculation, which can easily be avoided by not adding a completely unnecessary breakdown.

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    • I never said 616 and whatever were identical, and, again, I was not editing anything other than 616. So what if I just stated that the bar was 400, which is provable canon? Why was that deleted?

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    • If you're not saying they're identical, then what's the point of bringing up Earth-1218 bar weights in relation to something that happened in Earth-616?

      The specific weight was added back before this debate even began, its deletion was just an oversight.

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    • 1: "In Earth-1218 there are many different types of weightlifting bars, which range in weight from 15 to 65 pounds, even "standard" comes in 45-pound and 55-pound varieties; meanwhile, nothing in Earth-616 indicates specifically what is considered standard there nor how much their standard may weigh as far as we know, thus it's an unnecessary breakdown that becomes speculation." I never brought up using 1218, or whatever it is, as any standard, or mentioned theirs. The reason I put it into the 616 was because it was real, and verifiable.

      2: "The specific weight was added back before this debate even began, its deletion was just an oversight." OK, that's great. That's the heart of what I wanted.

      3: Could I, then, put it this way: "As an indicator of his great upper body strength, Daredevil has been seen easily curling a bar and weights totaling 400 pounds, and little visible effort, using them as an improvised weapon, in the manner of a pugil stick. He was able to utilize the 400 pound weapon quickly and easily enough to immediately disable a pair of mesomorphic body builders attacking him, before throwing it some 20 - 30 feet across a room, and pinning another man against a bench."

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    • Am I banned from further editing Daredevil?

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    • Earth-1218 is the real world, as in the one you are currently in.

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    • Virusx2k1 wrote: Am I banned from further editing Daredevil?

      I'll let The Many-Angled One field that question as the Admin who added protections to the article.

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    • Thanks.

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    • Virusx2k1 wrote: Am I banned from further editing Daredevil?

      Will you keep adding speculation to the page after it's unlocked, and edit warring over it when it's removed? If not, I can unlock it.

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    • No, I won't add speculation, but I would also appreciate it if in the event a future edit is removed, somebody tells me why.

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    • The reason was right there in the edit summary in which your edits were removed, not my fault that you didn't read it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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