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  • You seem to have confusion about how we handle licensed characters and crossover appearances, so I'm going to reiterate that info here in the hopes that everyone ends up on the same page.

    Firstly, licensed characters. Yes, in most cases, licensed characters are not covered by our site. Star Wars, Star Trek, Men in Black, Scooby Doo, Kid 'n Play; no one from these series gets a character page. However, there are special exceptions for when a licensed character interacts with the established Marvel Canon. Examples include Godzilla, ROM, Conan the Barbarian, and Red Sonja. Licensed character that we cover also have specific limitations on what parts of their history we do cover. Anything before or after their period of Marvel Publishing is ignored; We don't cover Godzilla's old films and stories from before his Marvel series, nor do we cover Conan and Red Sonja's recent appearances with Dark Horse.

    Crossovers are a bit different. We cover the Marvel characters featured in a crossover event, or, in the case of crossovers like Amalgam Comics where the characters are jointly owned by two companies, we cover all of the characters involved.

    Your big issue is Phineas and Pherb: Mission Marvel, which is admittedly an odd case. The administrators looked at the crossover, and came to the decision that it should not receive a universe designation, partly because giving the crossover a reality opens us up to giving the entire universe of Phineas and Pherb a designation. On top of that, we tend to leave crossovers of all kinds without reality designations unless they are give official designations from Marvel. Good examples are Star Trek / X-Men, Star Trek: The Next Generation / X-Men: Second Contact, Star Trek/X-Men: 2nd Contact, and Iron Man and X-O Manowar in Heavy Metal. All of them are crossovers like Phineas and Pherb, but none of them have any reality attached.

    Hopefully this clears a few things up.

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    • Well, it looks like the Star Trek crossovers are Earth-616, as the listed appearances are 616 characters. Although, I did not read those crossovers it is safe to assume it's 616 unless shown otherwise. However, Phineas and Ferb is too silly for 616 and it's in other media. And we wouldn't cover Phineas and Ferb. We'd only cover Mission Marvel. And when a licensed character interacts with a Marvel character, that's a crossover. Doctor Who is a crossover character. When we have so many Spider-Men, Iron Men, Hulks, etc. I think it is best to stick with the Marvel universe when it comes to crossovers and licenses. I admit that I'm not a big fan of Phineas and Ferb, but that shouldn't stop us from having the Spider-Man, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Nick Fury, Stan Lee, Venom, MODOK, Red Skull and Whiplash that appeared in Mission Marvel. Doctor Who? Godzilla? Conan? Tarzan? Those aren't Marvel characters. I don't mind seeing Mario on a Sonic Wiki as long as the rules stay consistent. Crossover articles are fun to read on wikis that permit them. Like how you don't cover the licensed character's life outside of Marvel, we won't cover the Phineas and Ferb universe outside of Mission Marvel.

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    • Any response Spencerz? Well, I think those licensed characters is the reason you might be fearing the possibility of us covering Phineas and Ferb. And that fear isn't rational because we'd obviously would never cover Phineas and Ferb outside of Mission Marvel. Doctor Who gets an article, but the Spider-Man from Phineas and Ferb doesn't? Marvel characters are more relevant than licensed characters. I convinced the DC Database that if they can't have crossover characters, they can't have licensed characters either. We cover the Marvel Universe. Not Doctor Who. Not Tarzan. Marvel. And with crossovers, we only cover the Marvel side. Doctor Who shouldn't get an article. His universe only has a number because Marvel numbered it. Also, wouldn't Earth-5859 open the door to the Superman & Batman Generations comic? If a reality for Mission Marvel opens the door to Phineas and Ferb, Earth-5859 would probably open the door to Superman & Batman Generations as the Captain America and Batman crossover has the same number as that comic series. Yet we don't cover Superman & Batman. So that theory of opening the door to Phineas and Ferb is out the window. Doctor Who shouldn't be here. His reality could stay because of Marvel numbering it, but Doctor Who characters can't be here. I don't think there should be any special exceptions to the licensed character rule.

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    • Look, like it or not, we cover licensed characters that are a part of the overall Marvel Canon. Regardless of whether you think we should have special exceptions, we do. If you don't like that, you are more than free to contribute elsewhere. Secondly, I'm not really sure what you're referencing with Earth-5859; I don't see it in the search function, and I don't get results on Google either. Finally, I'm not the sole administrator behind Phineas and Pherb not being here; the admin team weighed in on the issue months ago, and the overall majority of the team was that it doesn't need a reality. No amount of "what ifs" and "x is here, y should be, too" arguments are going to change that.

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    • Oh, it's 3839, not 5859. Man I should have checked the number. Anyway, there were only five admins who voted. You said it opens the door to the entire Phineas and Ferb universe. No it doesn't. We won't cover the Phineas and Ferb series just because of one crossover, just like how the Sonic News Network wouldn't detail the entire Mario universe just because Mario made six appearances with Sonic. KalKent stated we don't need to TRN just for one episode. Um, we have TRNed the Planet Doom episode of Marvel's Avengers Assemble, and a couple of other Marvel shows that had the characters go to an alternate timeline. He also said even if we did TRN it, we don't have to cover the whole series. Yeah, that is my point, we are not covering the whole series. Artful Dodger wanted us to leave it alone on our site and link out to the Phineas and Ferb Wiki. Um, no. It wouldn't make sense for someone to go to Phineas and Ferb Wiki just to read about Marvel. That decision is treating the Marvel heroes that appeared in the crossover as Marvel characters. We should cover our side of the crossover, not rely on another unrelated site for our characters. Adour says we tend to overuse TRNs. Well, that is true but that is because Marvel isn't numbering every reality. We can't consider Phineas and Ferb to be Earth-616 as the show contradicts Earth-616 and does too many silly stuff. Earth-616 is too serious for Phineas and Ferb. Doofenshmirtz bought his PH.D. Is that something that happens in 616? No, people have to go to medical school. Peteparker seemed to agree with me. So there, I just disputed the admins' opinions with my own arguments.

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    • Sorry to be so rebellious. But Phineas and Ferb needs a TRN. The Marvel characters on the page Phineas and Ferb: Mission Marvel links to the disambiguation pages, which is not what we do. In appearance sections, we link to the characters of that universe, not disambiguations, with Template:A.

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    • since this goes into the same category: The DC characters in Earth-7642 are their own characters. They're not the Earth-One DC characters. The universe number was confirmed (at least on the marvel side) in a handbook. this is canon. That's why I replaced the hyperlinks with their correct Earth designation.

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    • But we don't cover DC characters here. If you want to read Earth-7642 characters on the DC side, discuss this with the admins of the DC Database. I'll back up your arguments there. But in crossovers here, we cover the Marvel side and link the other side to the appropriate wiki. I'm sorry DC Database don't have 7642 characters there. But, I have tried many times to get Earth-7642 on DC Database. But they don't want to make the reality unless DC confirms it and some New Earth comics have referenced Earth-7642 events as if they took place in New Earth. Looking like some disagreement between Marvel and DC and a plot hole on the DC side. I mean, some crossovers imply that Marvel and DC share the same universe while some have the two worlds colliding? DC, do you and Marvel share the same universe or not? You might as well, agree with Marvel. Although, Nightwing's mentioning he could relate to mutants may be a reference to Uncanny X-Men and The New Teen Titans Vol 1 1, he also dated the mutant Jubilee in Marvel vs. DC.

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    • Nothing says we are planning to cover the DC character here. Nothing at all, that and almost every single bit of text in the thread in the DC Wikia is based purely on your assumptions.

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    • Well, we shouldn't cover DC characters. They are for the DC Wiki. If they won't provide 7246 characters, might as well link to the New Earth or disambiguation pages. But do you have anything to say on the DC forum?

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    • Again, nothing says we are planning to cover DC characters. And I'd rather have them linked to their disambiguation than to their New Earth version.

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    • Then leave them linked to their disambigs. Don't make red links.

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    • *Then I recommend to leave them linked to their disambigs. You shouldn't make red links.

      Please remember that the only ones who can impose rules in this wikia are the administrators.

      Thank you.

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    • You do realize it was Edkaufman who made the red links, not me. See? And I was only reverting him with the hyperlinks. You even reverted me when I made them hyperlinks to their disambigs. Can you explain that?

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    • And by reverting him you still listed the DC characters as the ones from New Earth. And I reverted it that time because I just though you were linking to the New Earth characters again, as I was growing tired of this unecessary conflict you created, and you went so far you brought a discussion to the DC wikia establishing what you alleged were our views on this "problem."

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